Daniel Andrews Imploding Act

 
  Carnot Minister for Railways

Jill has been very pejorative in her hatred of anyone who holds traditional views on marriage and faith tbh.

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  doyle Chief Commissioner

She will be a great Premier
  don_dunstan Dr Beeching

Location: Adelaide proud
Dan has decided to proceed with the privatisation of most of VicRoads - Innovation Australia;

The Victorian government has promised that all employees currently working for VicRoads on these functions will be able to continue in these roles on terms and conditions that are “no less favourable”, and that an in-principle agreement has been reached with the Australian Services Union (ASU) on this.

But the ASU is still staunchly opposed to the privatisation of VicRoads.

“The privatisation of VicRoads is a bad decision – it was a bad decision when announced, and it’s still a bad decision,” ASU assistant secretary Leon Wiegard told InnovationAus.

I'd imagine there will be lots of branch closures, increases in fees and cuts to services - a superannuation fund or insurance company is the likely buyer.
  303gunner Train Controller

So the "Setka Loves Dan" protests aka the Anti-CFMEU Vax protests are unfolding for the second day, with larger numbers of both Protesters and Police.

In what can only be described as a gross Insurance Rort, people have parked their cars on both sides of Elizabeth St outside the CFMEU offices. What are they thinking? Your car is toast! Get out of there now while you can.
  BaysideManny Junior Train Controller

Jill has been very pejorative in her hatred of anyone who holds traditional views on marriage and faith tbh.
Carnot
Jill has been very pejorative in her hatred of anyone who holds traditional views on marriage and faith tbh.

As opposed to some so called Christian Fundamentalists who want to introduce Conversion shock therapy and deny women their reproductive rights! And you can dial it down a bit as well. She may not agree but it is not hatred.

Jill Hennessey was a fantastic health minister and she will make a great premier.


Mannie
  Carnot Minister for Railways

Jill has been very pejorative in her hatred of anyone who holds traditional views on marriage and faith tbh.
Jill has been very pejorative in her hatred of anyone who holds traditional views on marriage and faith tbh.

As opposed to some so called Christian Fundamentalists who want to introduce Conversion shock therapy and deny women their reproductive rights! And you can dial it down a bit as well. She may not agree but it is not hatred.

Jill Hennessey was a fantastic health minister and she will make a great premier.


Mannie
BaysideManny
Shock therapy is already (rightfully) illegal and hasn't been practiced for decades.  And if reproductive rights = murdering unborn babies, then it's not really right.

As for Dan, IBAC hearings this week might see a few ALP pollies exit the building:
https://www.ibac.vic.gov.au/investigating-corruption/IBAC-examinations/operation-watts
  Valvegear Oliver Bullied, CME

Location: Richmond Vic
And if reproductive rights = murdering unborn babies, then it's not really right.
"Carnot"
Ah; the colourful language of those who can't mind their own business. Legal abortion is not murdering an unborn baby. Carried out in early pregnancy it is in point of fact the removal of a parasite. A baby can live and breathe by itself. An embryo cannot, and it is parasitic inasmuch as it lives off the woman with no reciprocal benefit to her (i.e. no symbiosis). A woman has the right to choose the usage of her own body and doesn't need anyone, much less the male of the species, to tell her what she can do.
  Carnot Minister for Railways

And if reproductive rights = murdering unborn babies, then it's not really right.
Ah; the colourful language of those who can't mind their own business. Legal abortion is not murdering an unborn baby. Carried out in early pregnancy it is in point of fact the removal of a parasite. A baby can live and breathe by itself. An embryo cannot, and it is parasitic inasmuch as it lives off the woman with no reciprocal benefit to her (i.e. no symbiosis). A woman has the right to choose the usage of her own body and doesn't need anyone, much less the male of the species, to tell her what she can do.
Valvegear
Then why does the Vic Govt allow viable unborn children to be killed for almost any reason?

Incidentally, you were an embryo once, containing all the DNA you currently have in one body.

Back to IBAC - lots of stuff going down with allegations of taxpayer funds being misused, more branch-staking and ballot paper fraud etc.

Adem S meanwhile:
  Valvegear Oliver Bullied, CME

Location: Richmond Vic
Then why does the Vic Govt allow viable unborn children to be killed for almost any reason?
"Carnot"
Read the applicable law.

Incidentally, you were an embryo once, containing all the DNA you currently have in one body.
"Carnot"
No kidding?  And the relevance of that comment is? ? ? ?
  Carnot Minister for Railways

Former Roads Minister Luke Donnellan is gone:


He was the minister responsible for initiating the West Gate road tunnel fiasco too I believe.
  Valvegear Oliver Bullied, CME

Location: Richmond Vic
I wonder whether Donellan is taking the rap for anyone else.
  BaysideManny Junior Train Controller

And if reproductive rights = murdering unborn babies, then it's not really right.
Ah; the colourful language of those who can't mind their own business. Legal abortion is not murdering an unborn baby. Carried out in early pregnancy it is in point of fact the removal of a parasite. A baby can live and breathe by itself. An embryo cannot, and it is parasitic inasmuch as it lives off the woman with no reciprocal benefit to her (i.e. no symbiosis). A woman has the right to choose the usage of her own body and doesn't need anyone, much less the male of the species, to tell her what she can do.
Valvegear
Hear, hear. Whilst everyone has a right to their own opinion, no man has a right to tell a woman what to do with their bodies, none.

Mannie
  doyle Chief Commissioner

Still no implosion.
  Carnot Minister for Railways

Why is there no implosion? Because Dan has just brought in laws to ensure he remains in power and can arbitrarily do whatever he wants with no oversight.

The Bar Association likens it to Stasi-like rules:
https://www.theage.com.au/politics/victoria/victorian-bar-slams-appalling-new-pandemic-laws-20211027-p593n8.html

It's time for the Governor to step in and say "enough!".  East Germany had Erich Honecker kissing Leonid Brezhnev. Victoria has Dan Andrews kissing Xi-Jinping.
  kitchgp Chief Commissioner

How does this differ from that in other states, say NSW?


https://www.sydneycriminallawyers.com.au/blog/what-are-state-of-emergency-powers-in-new-south-wales/

(No mention of Parliament here.)
  Carnot Minister for Railways

The main difference is that the NSW laws have oversight, the Vic one doesn't. And the Vic laws can also be used to target and prosecute political and religious groups:

https://victorianbar.cmail20.com/t/ViewEmail/d/C4430E9DD4754D9C2540EF23F30FEDED/FCA7956113155B392C69F821C9DCC086

Any who gives a carp should do whatever it takes to make sure this law is repealed.
  kitchgp Chief Commissioner

Where's the NSW oversight? No mention of NSW Parliament. To quote from the NSW article above:

"Just for good measure…
And section 41 makes sure that state authorities can’t be held liable for their actions during a state of emergency. It stipulates that an individual cannot bring proceedings against the Crown, the minister or any other person acting under their authority in accordance with emergency powers.

This provision absolves state authorities in relation to any damage to property, loss, death or injury “sustained because of anything done or omitted to be done in good faith” during a NSW state of emergency."
  Carnot Minister for Railways
  62440 Chief Commissioner

This is what the State Lawyers think, I suspect the exodus may grow! The PRV now has the power to crush any opposition. (Apologies for all the formatting)
  • The Minister’s power is available when a pandemic declaration made by the Premier is in force. It can be expected that such a pandemic declaration will be in force for the foreseeable future.
  • The scope of the power is extremely broad. The Minister may make “any order” that the Minister “believes is reasonably necessary to protect public health”.  The content of the orders is effectively unlimited.
  • The Bill expressly allows the Minister’s orders to discriminate on the basis of an attribute within the meaning of the Equal Opportunity Act These attributes include, among many others, political beliefs.  Thus, the Bill enables the Minister to make orders targeting people on the basis of their political beliefs if the Minister believes this is reasonably necessary to protect public health.
  • The practical ability to challenge these orders in the Supreme Court is likely to be very limited because the Bill confers a very broad discretion premised on the subjective belief of the Minister that the order is “reasonably necessary”.
  • The orders are subject to disallowance by Parliament only if the Scrutiny of Acts and Regulations Committee recommends it. The Committee can only recommend disallowance on narrow grounds, effectively confined to the order being beyond power or breaching the Charter of Human Rights and Responsibilities Act  The Committee has no power to recommend disallowance because it disagrees with the order.  Further, the government of the day may have a majority on the Committee, as is the case presently.

From the Bar Asoociation
Dear Members,
Over the past 24 hours, the Victorian Bar has become aware of a bill to amend the Public Health and Wellbeing Act 2020 (PHW Act) in respect of, amongst other things, pandemic management.
The Public Health and Wellbeing Amendment (Pandemic Management) Bill 2021 (Bill) has been made available on the Parliament of Victoria website only this afternoon.
The Minister of Health’s [color=#ed5722][u]Bill Summary[/u]
claims the Department and an “Expert Reference Group” (ERG) undertook targeted consultation and names the Victorian Bar as one of the external stakeholders “consulted”.
This is a gross misrepresentation. The Victorian Bar was not consulted.  The President of the Victorian Bar participated in a 45-minute Microsoft Teams meeting organised by the Department of Health on 28 June 2021.  The ERG and numerous other parties also attended.
The broad issue of the declaration of pandemics was raised. There was no further contact.
The Victorian Bar was never provided with a draft Bill.  Two members of the Victorian Bar Council were registered to attend a 1 hour “consultation workshop” with the ERG on 28 September 2021 about the “development of a new pandemic specific part of the PHW Act.”  This workshop was cancelled at short notice and  never rescheduled.
It is unclear why a bill related to issues of management of future pandemics is being subject to a rushed and/or severely curtailed consultation process.
On an initial reading of the Bill, the Victorian Bar has grave concerns about some of its content.
The overriding concern is that the Bill confers on the Health Minister what is, in a practical sense, an effectively unlimited power to rule the State by decree, for an effectively indefinite period, and without effective judicial or parliamentary oversight:
The Bill also contains many other problematic provisions, including conferring very broad power on authorised officers without effective review or oversight, granting police power to enter premises without a warrant and abrogating privilege against self-incrimination.
The Bill confers powers that can be appropriately described as draconian in authorising virtually unlimited interference with the liberties of Victorian citizens.  Yet the Bill lacks the appropriate checks and balances to ensure the proper exercise of these powers. This represents the biggest challenge to the rule of law that this State has faced in decades
A reasonable period for discussion and debate over the provisions of this Bill was and is necessary. There is simply no excuse for pushing it through in the way it has been.

Christopher Blanden QC
President



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  BaysideManny Junior Train Controller

Why is there no implosion? Because Dan has just brought in laws to ensure he remains in power and can arbitrarily do whatever he wants with no oversight.

The Bar Association likens it to Stasi-like rules:
https://www.theage.com.au/politics/victoria/victorian-bar-slams-appalling-new-pandemic-laws-20211027-p593n8.html

It's time for the Governor to step in and say "enough!".  East Germany had Erich Honecker kissing Leonid Brezhnev. Victoria has Dan Andrews kissing Xi-Jinping.
Carnot
I agree that Dan Andrews is authoritarian. Giving the Police sweeping powers fills me with dread. But the Coalition is just damn too dangerous to be given the reigns of power. Police profiling, let me tell you is appalling.

Id rather Dan and James then Matt and that absolute no mark Peter Walsh.

Mannie
  DirtyBallast Chief Commissioner

Location: Standing at the limit of an endless ocean
Why is there no implosion? Because Dan has just brought in laws to ensure he remains in power
Carnot
Umm, we still live in a democracy with regular elections.
  kitchgp Chief Commissioner

The NSW legislation has cross-parliamentary oversight. The Vic one does not:

https://theconversation.com/victorias-draft-pandemic-law-is-missing-one-critical-element-stronger-oversight-of-the-governments-decisions-170623
Carnot

Some would beg to differ:

One of the first victims of this terrible pandemic has been functioning parliamentary oversight,” said NSW Greens MLC David Shoebridge. “We’ve seen the parliaments effectively being shut right at a time when the executive branch of government is massively expanding its reach and powers.”

“That’s a bad combination,” he added.

Federal and NSW executives are relying on provisions within pre-existing legislation that enables emergency powers to be enforced during a health crisis. The Morrison government has invoked the Biosecurity Act 2015 (Cth), while in this state, it’s the Public Health Act 2010 (NSW).


https://www.sydneycriminallawyers.com.au/blog/the-need-for-parliamentary-oversight-is-greater-than-ever/
  Carnot Minister for Railways

Why is there no implosion? Because Dan has just brought in laws to ensure he remains in power
Umm, we still live in a democracy with regular elections.
DirtyBallast
The new law gives Dan Andrews the power to remove elected politicians and protesters at a whim without any oversight - hardly democratic.  Potentially it gives him the ability to cancel elections as well although that could run into some constitutional issues.

He already excluded 3 politicians who would've voted against his laws yesterday (although said politicians should've just told Govt their vax status to defeat Dan's laws IMO).

If the Governor doesn't step in, then some sort of 'nuclear option' might be needed from the Feds.  A huge Constitutional Crisis would ensue.
  The Vinelander Minister for Railways

Location: Ballan, Victoria on the Ballarat Line
Why is there no implosion? Because Dan has just brought in laws to ensure he remains in power and can arbitrarily do whatever he wants with no oversight.

The Bar Association likens it to Stasi-like rules:
https://www.theage.com.au/politics/victoria/victorian-bar-slams-appalling-new-pandemic-laws-20211027-p593n8.html

It's time for the Governor to step in and say "enough!".  East Germany had Erich Honecker kissing Leonid Brezhnev. Victoria has Dan Andrews kissing Xi-Jinping.
Carnot

Absolutely not ALL of the Bar Association believe this rot and at least two communicated with ABC774 this morning to air their contrary views.

Governors never 'step in'... we've had this conversation before...now do as I suggested a few days ago to some off the wall poster and have a cuppa tea, take a Bex and have a good lie down.

Mike
  Carnot Minister for Railways

Why is there no implosion? Because Dan has just brought in laws to ensure he remains in power and can arbitrarily do whatever he wants with no oversight.

The Bar Association likens it to Stasi-like rules:
https://www.theage.com.au/politics/victoria/victorian-bar-slams-appalling-new-pandemic-laws-20211027-p593n8.html

It's time for the Governor to step in and say "enough!".  East Germany had Erich Honecker kissing Leonid Brezhnev. Victoria has Dan Andrews kissing Xi-Jinping.

Absolutely not ALL of the Bar Association believe this rot and at least two communicated with ABC774 this morning to air their contrary views.

Governors never 'step in'... we've had this conversation before...now do as I suggested a few days ago to some off the wall poster and have a cuppa tea, take a Bex and have a good lie down.

Mike
The Vinelander
ScoMo should roll the Australian Army tanks in to Spring Street.  Especially now that Dan has signed a 25-year PPP with a Chinese Communist Party Belt-and-Road mob to build the stupid NE Link...

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