How do you know there hasn't been a measurable increase in the suicide rate?
Don, stop! You're making yourself look silly...
How do I know there hasn't been a measurable increase in suicide rate? It's trivial, we count the number of suicides and compare to previous years.
How do you know there hasn't been a measurable increase in the suicide rate? I was hanging onto one data point because it's indicative of what's really going on - haven't been able to find any references to Victorian suicide rates during lock-down because they're simply not available. Why would that be do you think?
Or can you magically find them for us.
Turns out I can! Turns out you could too, but I am not going to give you the source, you'll have to use your learning and look.Annual suicides in Victoria
(aka 'The Lockdown State' - they really need to get that as a number plate slogan) Male Female Total
2016 476 177 653
2017 506 188 694
2018 530 187 717
2019 542 176 7182020 520 178 698
suicides in Victoria in 2020 than preceding two years.
Now you can try and pick holes and say smeg like 'Ah, but female suicides increased in 2020 on 2019, and you'd be right, so explain the reduction against 2017 and 2018, those 9 to 10 women in those years predicted their predicament of lock down ahead of time and chose to exit early? Or, why male suicides reduced by 22 from 2019, I mean the whole 'jobless' thing and 'not being able to go to the pub' etc thing would normally be expected to impact the men more wouldn't it?
There's just no sensible causal link.Now, I know what you're going to say...
But you're hiding/missing/etc the 2021 data!!!
No, 2021 isn't finished yet, so comparing an annual figure makes no sense.
So instead I present, 'Year To Date' figures to this time:YTD suicides in Victoria
(YTD being to 31/8/21 - September not being publicly published yet) Male Female Total
2017 325 131 456
2018 337 116 453
2019 361 119 480
2020 366 127 4932021 335 104 439
So again, LESS
suicides in Victoria YTD 2021 than preceding several years. Notably, A LOT LESS
, more than 10% less, than so far last year, and with Victoria more or less coming out of lockdown as I type, anyone that thinks lockdown has lead to an increased rate of suicide is going to have a really hard argument on their hands and no data to support them. The rate is clearly reduced
Tossing who knows what at statistics aside, you would surely have to admit that basic counting is quite smeg trivial, even if you call it addition instead of counting, less than 730 deaths means less than two per day over a year, I know you have demonstrated a difficulty multiplying by two, but surely counting by one or adding two to a number is not going to overwhelm you, or anyone else. These numbers are just not going to be in error by even tens let alone the hundreds you likely think they are.
You don't have a business, Aaron, you're another one of these public servants on this board who doesn't know what all the fuss is about when there's a lockdown. You don't care, you have no skin in the game. Neither of us went what they went through in Melbourne so neither of us know how traumatic it was to lose a business and be locked in your home for a world-beating amount of time.
Are you trying to break some international record for incorrectness?
I do have a business - I have a pretty ABN and everything, and I work for a private company (well technically a publicly listed one), I am not a public servant, please, you sort of think you know something about me, do you really think I would serve the public
For the record, (you can forward this to Guinness or whomever is overseeing your record attempt), I have never drawn a single dollar of income from 'the government', no unemployment ever, no payments as a student - ever, I didn't get 'job keeper' during the pandemic, no government money even for the little periods of SA lockdown, even when I 'worked in the government' I was paid by the party
- not the government. Maybe you're thinking of my wife? Nope, she's not even a citizen yet, though she did apply yesterday and qualifies end of next month, so no sweet, sweet, free government coin ever for her either, she works for a private company, I am not even sure she's allowed to work for the government as 'only a PR' - not that she would, she hates dealing with 'the public' even more than I do...
The Victorians, for the most part, an especially from the point of view of suicides, they're doing just fine. Judging by their general inability to reduce their infection spread, most of them weren't locked in their home for world-beating amounts of time either.