Grain Harvest 2021/22

 
  Lachlan's Train Channel Chief Train Controller

Location: probably taking a photo of 7901V
10mm so far in Mildura today

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  BigShunter Chief Commissioner

Location: St Clair. S.A.
10mm so far in Mildura today
Lachlan's Train Channel
Thanks Lachlan and it seems nothing more than a few showers around the Wimmera / Mallee, cool for the next few days so I doubt very much any rain damaged crops will appear.

http://www.bom.gov.au/vic/flood/wimmera_mallee.shtml

http://www.bom.gov.au/products/IDR95D.loop.shtml

Everyone will be looking for some nice spring sunshine and get the harvest under way. Certainly do with some sunshine over here in Valiant heart land, coldest day in November since 1994 yesterday Shocked

BigShunter.
  Lachlan's Train Channel Chief Train Controller

Location: probably taking a photo of 7901V
Up here we have barely seen the sun the last 3 or so days, and rained heaps more last night and is still drizzling as I write this.
  per1 Banned

Location: Banned
The railways are a mess, and now the roads have been allowed to deteriorate, and remain unrepaired. Calder down to 40kph in several places. B roads have had speeds reduced permanently.
  Carnot Minister for Railways

SSR ran their BG grain train to Piangil today. Not sure if it's hauling grain from this year's harvest or carry-over from 2020.

Most of NW Vic didn't get anywhere near the forecast rain this week, which is just as well.
  Jack Clark Station Staff

SSR ran their BG grain train to Piangil today. Not sure if it's hauling grain from this year's harvest or carry-over from 2020.

Most of NW Vic didn't get anywhere near the forecast rain this week, which is just as well.
Carnot

Only stables at Piangil, train loaded at Woorinen. Emerald job so discharges at Appleton Dock.
  Lachlan's Train Channel Chief Train Controller

Location: probably taking a photo of 7901V
Some more rain in Mildura today. 2.2mm but it sure felt like more! Was torrential for a bit
  BigShunter Chief Commissioner

Location: St Clair. S.A.
Stepping out of the protest arena and into the grain sites.

Dimboola GrainFlow was open for receivals and bucket samples as of Monday. So this will mean all grain sites throughout the Wimmera/Mallee will be in the same boat. Still some dodgie weather on the front so it will be a bit of a juggling act for the next week.

Open hours are from 08:00 to 15:00 so short days for the interim.

BigShunter.
  BrentonGolding Chief Commissioner

Location: Maldon Junction
Stepping out of the protest arena and into the grain sites.

BigShunter.
BigShunter
Ban the bomb and do smeg all for a living eh! What are you protesting about this time Shunter? As Paul Keating might remark go get a job! Bloody hippies Laughing
  Greensleeves Chief Commissioner

Location: If it isn't obvious by now, it should be.
A couple of short grain videos from this week that are worth cranking up the volume for:



https://youtu.be/vOaV4iJTKWE



https://youtu.be/e8izIEpxBVE
  Carnot Minister for Railways

Grain is starting to come in to the silos in the Northwest of the State.  Re-sleepering of the Manangatang line is in full swing between Quambatook and Boort.

Farmer friend near Quambatook describes this year's harvest as 'average' for him.  The dry spell from August to late-September didn't help.

Further South the crops are quite thick, although frost damage is quite bad in patches in the Wimmera.  Delayed harvest too due to recent wet weather.
  Greensleeves Chief Commissioner

Location: If it isn't obvious by now, it should be.
The speed restrictions have lifted on the Dunolly-Inglewood line in time for harvest too- 9154 last night wasn't hanging around at Llanelly.



https://youtu.be/LpU_aE7nSDY
  Lachlan's Train Channel Chief Train Controller

Location: probably taking a photo of 7901V
I heard from someone in Ouyen that if all goes well, the Murrayville line will have its' line speed increased from 25kph to 40kph with the current upgrade of the line. No idea how accurate that is but it makes sense.

However I also heard that most of the grain on that line gets trucked to Adelaide.
  Carnot Minister for Railways

Latest update on harvest.  The Swan Hill region silos are getting grain now.  Several SSR grain trains have loaded at Manangatang in the past week or so.
https://www.theland.com.au/story/7521888/harvesting-operations-pick-up-as-wet-weather-sets-in/
  BrentonGolding Chief Commissioner

Location: Maldon Junction
Latest update on harvest.  The Swan Hill region silos are getting grain now.  Several SSR grain trains have loaded at Manangatang in the past week or so.
https://www.theland.com.au/story/7521888/harvesting-operations-pick-up-as-wet-weather-sets-in/
Carnot
How many wagons are SSR hauling to and fro Manang? I have heard 30 but have not been able to confirm

A long way to go for a half / two thirds loading compared to a 40/42 wagon rake
  Carnot Minister for Railways

SSR are running 30-32 wagon trains mostly. I think a few more might be added soon.
  bingley hall Minister for Railways

Location: Last train to Skaville
Latest update on harvest.  The Swan Hill region silos are getting grain now.  Several SSR grain trains have loaded at Manangatang in the past week or so.
https://www.theland.com.au/story/7521888/harvesting-operations-pick-up-as-wet-weather-sets-in/
How many wagons are SSR hauling to and fro Manang? I have heard 30 but have not been able to confirm

A long way to go for a half / two thirds loading compared to a 40/42 wagon rake
BrentonGolding

Last night's train was 34 wagons, the max currently available in the SSR BG fleet.

SSR make up for it in NSW where they run some rakes of 57 wagons, compared to PN's 40.
  bingley hall Minister for Railways

Location: Last train to Skaville
Latest update on harvest.  The Swan Hill region silos are getting grain now.  Several SSR grain trains have loaded at Manangatang in the past week or so.
https://www.theland.com.au/story/7521888/harvesting-operations-pick-up-as-wet-weather-sets-in/
How many wagons are SSR hauling to and fro Manang? I have heard 30 but have not been able to confirm

A long way to go for a half / two thirds loading compared to a 40/42 wagon rake
BrentonGolding

Last night's train was 34 hoppers out to Manangatang, the max available in the SSR fleet.

SSR make up for it in NSW where they operate some 57 hopper rakes, compared to PN's 40.

CORRECTION: SSR BG hopper fleet is 34 - but only 32 used this train - see also reply below.
  cbinyon Chief Train Controller

Location: Torquay, Victoria
PN loaded at Sea Lake today too.
  BrentonGolding Chief Commissioner

Location: Maldon Junction
Latest update on harvest.  The Swan Hill region silos are getting grain now.  Several SSR grain trains have loaded at Manangatang in the past week or so.
https://www.theland.com.au/story/7521888/harvesting-operations-pick-up-as-wet-weather-sets-in/
How many wagons are SSR hauling to and fro Manang? I have heard 30 but have not been able to confirm

A long way to go for a half / two thirds loading compared to a 40/42 wagon rake

Last night's train was 34 hoppers out to Manangatang, the max available in the SSR fleet.

SSR make up for it in NSW where they operate some 57 hopper rakes, compared to PN's 40.
bingley hall
Thanks Bing, tallies with what I thought I had seen at Totty and what I have heard elsewhere

Are consists of over 40/42 hoppers allowed on Vic (non ARTC) lines?

And are SSR building the BG grain rake towards that magic 40 wagon number?

It seems logical to maximise haulage capacity vs running costs but of course if the rolling stock is not avl then...
  Greensleeves Chief Commissioner

Location: If it isn't obvious by now, it should be.
Latest update on harvest.  The Swan Hill region silos are getting grain now.  Several SSR grain trains have loaded at Manangatang in the past week or so.
https://www.theland.com.au/story/7521888/harvesting-operations-pick-up-as-wet-weather-sets-in/
How many wagons are SSR hauling to and fro Manang? I have heard 30 but have not been able to confirm

A long way to go for a half / two thirds loading compared to a 40/42 wagon rake

Last night's train was 34 hoppers out to Manangatang, the max available in the SSR fleet.

SSR make up for it in NSW where they operate some 57 hopper rakes, compared to PN's 40.
Thanks Bing, tallies with what I thought I had seen at Totty and what I have heard elsewhere

Are consists of over 40/42 hoppers allowed on Vic (non ARTC) lines?

And are SSR building the BG grain rake towards that magic 40 wagon number?

It seems logical to maximise haulage capacity vs running costs but of course if the rolling stock is not avl then...
BrentonGolding

PN and QUBE have both ran 50's on the Murray Basin before, while a few years back there was even a BG 50 rake when PN left ten hoppers up Swan Hill way and collected them on the next run back.
  bingley hall Minister for Railways

Location: Last train to Skaville
Latest update on harvest.  The Swan Hill region silos are getting grain now.  Several SSR grain trains have loaded at Manangatang in the past week or so.
https://www.theland.com.au/story/7521888/harvesting-operations-pick-up-as-wet-weather-sets-in/
How many wagons are SSR hauling to and fro Manang? I have heard 30 but have not been able to confirm

A long way to go for a half / two thirds loading compared to a 40/42 wagon rake

Last night's train was 34 hoppers out to Manangatang, the max available in the SSR fleet.

SSR make up for it in NSW where they operate some 57 hopper rakes, compared to PN's 40.
Thanks Bing, tallies with what I thought I had seen at Totty and what I have heard elsewhere

Are consists of over 40/42 hoppers allowed on Vic (non ARTC) lines?

And are SSR building the BG grain rake towards that magic 40 wagon number?

It seems logical to maximise haulage capacity vs running costs but of course if the rolling stock is not avl then...
BrentonGolding

In this case the magic number, while desirable, is not necessarily 40.

The main, and original, contract is for domestic grain to the Allied mill at Kensington, which can only tip 22 wagons in a shift. In the early days (the first 3 years) that's all the SSR BG train hauled, and still from places like Manangatang and Sea Lake.  

Before everyone starts falling out of their armchairs, that's a mill infrastructure issue NOT a rail issue.

In the last year or so 12 additional BGKF hoppers were sourced and added to the train and made available to Emerald.

So depending on customer demand, the train now runs in various configurations:

20-22 hoppers for Kensington only

30-34 hoppers for Emerald at Appleton Dock only

A mix of 20 hoppers for Kenso/10-14 hoppers for Emerald

I think there may have been some talk of increasing it to 40 hoppers, but sourcing extra hoppers is an issue - all but one of the former Leigh Creek hoppers by SSR purchased are now in use.
  wobert Chief Commissioner

Location: Banned
There's 20or 30 of those Victorian ones that were made into 100 tonners sitting in Hamilton. Just go down
and take them, I doubt PN would even notice. Been there months, if not years.
  speedemon08 Mary

Location: I think by now you should have figured it out
There's 20or 30 of those Victorian ones that were made into 100 tonners sitting in Hamilton. Just go down
and take them, I doubt PN would even notice. Been there months, if not years.
wobert
The bigger problem with those is that there are not many sites that can load or use that 100t capacity.
  Jack Clark Station Staff

Latest update on harvest.  The Swan Hill region silos are getting grain now.  Several SSR grain trains have loaded at Manangatang in the past week or so.
https://www.theland.com.au/story/7521888/harvesting-operations-pick-up-as-wet-weather-sets-in/
How many wagons are SSR hauling to and fro Manang? I have heard 30 but have not been able to confirm

A long way to go for a half / two thirds loading compared to a 40/42 wagon rake

Last night's train was 34 hoppers out to Manangatang, the max available in the SSR fleet.

SSR make up for it in NSW where they operate some 57 hopper rakes, compared to PN's 40.
Thanks Bing, tallies with what I thought I had seen at Totty and what I have heard elsewhere

Are consists of over 40/42 hoppers allowed on Vic (non ARTC) lines?

And are SSR building the BG grain rake towards that magic 40 wagon number?

It seems logical to maximise haulage capacity vs running costs but of course if the rolling stock is not avl then...

In this case the magic number, while desirable, is not necessarily 40.

The main, and original, contract is for domestic grain to the Allied mill at Kensington, which can only tip 22 wagons in a shift. In the early days (the first 3 years) that's all the SSR BG train hauled, and still from places like Manangatang and Sea Lake.  

Before everyone starts falling out of their armchairs, that's a mill infrastructure issue NOT a rail issue.

In the last year or so 12 additional BGKF hoppers were sourced and added to the train and made available to Emerald.

So depending on customer demand, the train now runs in various configurations:

20-22 hoppers for Kensington only

30-34 hoppers for Emerald at Appleton Dock only

A mix of 20 hoppers for Kenso/10-14 hoppers for Emerald

I think there may have been some talk of increasing it to 40 hoppers, but sourcing extra hoppers is an issue - all but one of the former Leigh Creek hoppers by SSR purchased are now in use.
bingley hall

The limit at Kensington is the number of wagons that fit in clear for the runaround. Not necessarily how many can tip in a day, notwithstanding mill issues. 22 VHGF/BGGX are a comfortable fit. 22 BGKF means please fold the mirrors in or they get broken.

The BGKF's also make life much harder as they only just fit on they weighbridge at Kensington being longer than a Vic grain wagon and are notoriously frequently over loaded being 92t wagons. If only VLine knew what is common knowledge amongst SSR service managers.

During the Ingliston Bank BGKF braking debacle earlier this year, one of the SSR directors was telling train crews in an ideal world they'd have two rakes of 20 on the BG. One for Allied, one for Emerald. When Allied didn't need a cycle they could be combined for a 40 block for Emerald.

But alas there are no more grain hoppers spare, and certainly no good locos with suitable working dynamic brakes for a 3,000 tonne grain train on Ingliston Bank.

In the end they stuck with the status quo, fitted high friction blocks to the BGKF's, send the loaded train via Nth Geelong whenever possible, and in addition a good third of the Melbourne train crew depot decided employment at other operators was a safer alternative.

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