QUBE BlueScope Steel Contract

 
  bingley hall Minister for Railways

Location: Last train to Skaville
Did Qube buy a few g class from PN ?

G532 has been used light engine for training.
freightgate

QUBE acquired G521/G532 some time back from SCT(?)

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  Galron Chief Commissioner

Location: Werribee, Vic
Did Qube buy a few g class from PN ?

G532 has been used light engine for training.
freightgate
The G's that QUBE have are ex ElZorro, ex grain corp, ex SCT i believe. SCT got them as part of an ACCC deal somewhere along the way. cant recall the specifics, at some point they where sold to Graincorp, where they where operated by elzorro. When they fell over i think PN where crewing them for graincorp for a while, and then QUBE bought them several years ago, and have waited for a major overhaul to repaint them
  freightgate Minister for Railways

Location: Albury, New South Wales
The video shows the G’s painted in PN colours.
  LowndesJ515 #TeamRog

Location: Not in Victoria
Did Qube buy a few g class from PN ?

G532 has been used light engine for training.
The G's that QUBE have are ex ElZorro, ex grain corp, ex SCT i believe. SCT got them as part of an ACCC deal somewhere along the way. cant recall the specifics, at some point they where sold to Graincorp, where they where operated by elzorro. When they fell over i think PN where crewing them for graincorp for a while, and then QUBE bought them several years ago, and have waited for a major overhaul to repaint them
Galron
Graincorp or Cargill's/AWB who bought them somewhere around 2011/2012?
  Dangersdan707 Chief Commissioner

Location: On a Thing with Internet
During the Current Occo, Qube are doing Driver Training runs from Caufeild to Long Island. Get snaps while you can!
  bingley hall Minister for Railways

Location: Last train to Skaville
During the Current Occo, Qube are doing Driver Training runs from Caufeild to Long Island. Get snaps while you can!
Dangersdan707

QUBE also ran a trial with 3 x QLs and a rake of SQSY flats down the mountain to Port Kembla today in anticpation of the contract start.
  Gman_86 Chief Commissioner

Location: Melton, where the sparks dare not roam!
Regarding QUBE's broad gauge motive power fleet:

QUBE own both of G521 and G532. Thay have both had major overhauls this year, which have included repaint into QUBE livery. G521 was released back into traffic this week and was used on the Apex Quarry train from Kilmore East.

Also, QUBE have a long term lease on G512 + G515 from Rail First Asset Management (previously known as CFCL Australia)

On top of those G class, QUBE also have several VL class on lease from Rail First Asset Management, including VL353, VL356, VL357 and VL360. There is also talk of at least one more VL class being gauge converted to broad gauge for QUBE's use

Also, B76 and B80 both continue to be hired to QUBE and used when required, as well as X31 and B74 from the Seymour Rail Heritage Centre.

These locomotives can all be expected to see use on the Long Island Steel contract over time.

The 4 T class previously used by QUBE on broad gauge have since been converted to standard gauge. T373 has gone to Port Kembla to be the shunter there, while T369, T376 and T377 have gone to WA on hire to WATCO.
  Jack Le Lievre Assistant Commissioner

Location: Moolap Station, Vic
Regarding QUBE's broad gauge motive power fleet:

QUBE own both of G521 and G532. Thay have both had major overhauls this year, which have included repaint into QUBE livery. G521 was released back into traffic this week and was used on the Apex Quarry train from Kilmore East.

Also, QUBE have a long term lease on G512 + G515 from Rail First Asset Management (previously known as CFCL Australia)

On top of those G class, QUBE also have several VL class on lease from Rail First Asset Management, including VL353, VL356, VL357 and VL360. There is also talk of at least one more VL class being gauge converted to broad gauge for QUBE's use

Also, B76 and B80 both continue to be hired to QUBE and used when required, as well as X31 and B74 from the Seymour Rail Heritage Centre.

These locomotives can all be expected to see use on the Long Island Steel contract over time.

The 4 T class previously used by QUBE on broad gauge have since been converted to standard gauge. T373 has gone to Port Kembla to be the shunter there, while T369, T376 and T377 have gone to WA on hire to WATCO.
Gman_86
A minor correction, the Ts are now owned by Watco, and not on hire. Also the PBs at Port Kembla are now being operated by Watco, a change from Pacific National.
  Carnot Minister for Railways

Worth noting too that G512 and G515 are currently undergoing repairs at Nth Bendigo Workshops. B74 is back with SRHC (running a charter to Tocumwal today), and B76 hasn't run for ages.

Meanwhile, Qube Deni rice hasn't returned even after 3 weeks of the line being open.  That worries me.
  bevans Site Admin

Location: Melbourne, Australia
The 4 T class previously used by QUBE on broad gauge have since been converted to standard gauge. T373 has gone to Port Kembla to be the shunter there, while T369, T376 and T377 have gone to WA on hire to WATCO.
Somebody

Are these to be used for the Steel contract or other use?
  Gman_86 Chief Commissioner

Location: Melton, where the sparks dare not roam!
A minor correction, the Ts are now owned by Watco, and not on hire. Also the PBs at Port Kembla are now being operated by Watco, a change from Pacific National.
Jack Le Lievre

I stand corrected.

Worth noting too that G512 and G515 are currently undergoing repairs at Nth Bendigo Workshops. B74 is back with SRHC (running a charter to Tocumwal today), and B76 hasn't run for ages
Carnot
They will be back.
  speedemon08 Mary

Location: I think by now you should have figured it out
Worth noting too that G512 and G515 are currently undergoing repairs at Nth Bendigo Workshops. B74 is back with SRHC (running a charter to Tocumwal today), and B76 hasn't run for ages.

Meanwhile, Qube Deni rice hasn't returned even after 3 weeks of the line being open.  That worries me.
Carnot
I wonder if they're shipping boxes across to Tocumwal? Both of PN 9306's I saw this week looked pretty full.
  Dangersdan707 Chief Commissioner

Location: On a Thing with Internet
Regarding QUBE's broad gauge motive power fleet:

QUBE own both of G521 and G532. Thay have both had major overhauls this year, which have included repaint into QUBE livery. G521 was released back into traffic this week and was used on the Apex Quarry train from Kilmore East.

Also, QUBE have a long term lease on G512 + G515 from Rail First Asset Management (previously known as CFCL Australia)

On top of those G class, QUBE also have several VL class on lease from Rail First Asset Management, including VL353, VL356, VL357 and VL360. There is also talk of at least one more VL class being gauge converted to broad gauge for QUBE's use

Also, B76 and B80 both continue to be hired to QUBE and used when required, as well as X31 and B74 from the Seymour Rail Heritage Centre.

These locomotives can all be expected to see use on the Long Island Steel contract over time.

The 4 T class previously used by QUBE on broad gauge have since been converted to standard gauge. T373 has gone to Port Kembla to be the shunter there, while T369, T376 and T377 have gone to WA on hire to WATCO.
Gman_86
Another goddam correction!

B76 is out of action and has been for sometime, I have my doubts about it returning to traffic. B80 is still floating around though...
Mumblings are that Railfirst has been trying to get rid of all it's inherited ancient motive power.
  Gman_86 Chief Commissioner

Location: Melton, where the sparks dare not roam!
Worth noting too that G512 and G515 are currently undergoing repairs at Nth Bendigo Workshops. B74 is back with SRHC (running a charter to Tocumwal today), and B76 hasn't run for ages.

Meanwhile, Qube Deni rice hasn't returned even after 3 weeks of the line being open.  That worries me.
Carnot
G515 returned from Bendigo yesterday. Among other improvements, it has received a fresh coat of paint.

I assume G512 is getting the same treatment.
  speedemon08 Mary

Location: I think by now you should have figured it out
Worth noting too that G512 and G515 are currently undergoing repairs at Nth Bendigo Workshops. B74 is back with SRHC (running a charter to Tocumwal today), and B76 hasn't run for ages.

Meanwhile, Qube Deni rice hasn't returned even after 3 weeks of the line being open.  That worries me.
G515 returned from Bendigo yesterday. Among other improvements, it has received a fresh coat of paint.

I assume G512 is getting the same treatment.
Gman_86
G512 got done first then might have ruined an engine while G515 was under overhaul.
  Fatty Deputy Commissioner

Location: Narrabri
The last PN hauled Long Island service is (allegedly) running today.
  speedemon08 Mary

Location: I think by now you should have figured it out
The last PN hauled Long Island service is (allegedly) running today.
Fatty
Correct, into North Dynon tonight for wagon handover.

Last two PN WM trains are today (28th) and tomorrow (29th).
  bevans Site Admin

Location: Melbourne, Australia
The last PN hauled Long Island service is (allegedly) running today.
Correct, into North Dynon tonight for wagon handover.

Last two PN WM trains are today (28th) and tomorrow (29th).
speedemon08

Will the wagons go to Qube as they are Bluescope wagons or PN wagons sold to qube?
  speedemon08 Mary

Location: I think by now you should have figured it out
The last PN hauled Long Island service is (allegedly) running today.
Correct, into North Dynon tonight for wagon handover.

Last two PN WM trains are today (28th) and tomorrow (29th).

Will the wagons go to Qube as they are Bluescope wagons or PN wagons sold to qube?
bevans
Bluescope paid for the work done to the BG wagons, so they get transferred across.
  YM-Mundrabilla The Ghost of George Stephenson

Location: Mundrabilla but I'd rather be in Narvik
Despite having re-read this thread I admit that there are some aspects that are not clear (to me anyway).

Seems clear that the Port Kembla - Long Island coil traffic can be 100% handled on container flats of one sort or another on both SG and BG legs.

How is the 'in gauge' and 'wide plate' traffic to be handled between Port Kembla and Melbourne? These are traditionally handled on bolstered flat flats and tilt beds, respectively? Does Qube have access to suitable flat flats and more particularly tilt beds? Both groups were inherited by PN from NR.

Is there any RSJ* or other steel product ex Port Kembla that will require the use of open wagons? I have seen some on various videos but they may well have been very old.

Will Qube utilise expensive/new front line container flats on the BG Long Island leg to replace the largely rubbish cut downs inherited by PN from NR on this section?

Has PN sold, leased or otherwise transferred any rolling stock to Qube?

Time will tell I guess.

* Rolled steel joists
  speedemon08 Mary

Location: I think by now you should have figured it out
Qube have some new wagons that Ive yet to see many photos of yet for other product.

I think the tilt RKWY wagons might be going to Qube?
  Fatty Deputy Commissioner

Location: Narrabri
Is there any RSJ* or other steel product ex Port Kembla that will require the use of open wagons? I have seen some on various videos but they may well have been very old.
YM-Mundrabilla
AFAIK all the long products like RSJ come out of Whyalla and OneSteel (or whatever they're called now) are staying with PN.
  a6et Minister for Railways

Despite having re-read this thread I admit that there are some aspects that are not clear (to me anyway).

Seems clear that the Port Kembla - Long Island coil traffic can be 100% handled on container flats of one sort or another on both SG and BG legs.

How is the 'in gauge' and 'wide plate' traffic to be handled between Port Kembla and Melbourne? These are traditionally handled on bolstered flat flats and tilt beds, respectively? Does Qube have access to suitable flat flats and more particularly tilt beds? Both groups were inherited by PN from NR.

Is there any RSJ* or other steel product ex Port Kembla that will require the use of open wagons? I have seen some on various videos but they may well have been very old.

Will Qube utilise expensive/new front line container flats on the BG Long Island leg to replace the largely rubbish cut downs inherited by PN from NR on this section?

Has PN sold, leased or otherwise transferred any rolling stock to Qube?

Time will tell I guess.

* Rolled steel joists
YM-Mundrabilla
Going back in time, when the out of gauge flat steel products were placed generally on older MLE for transport to Long Island, problem with that working was that it was a slow trip, with running times reduced as well as the aspect that any up train had to be put away, or the Out of gauge train put away to allow for Down trains to run through them, at reduced speed.  The other issue was that these trains worked in the main from PTK to Enfield and then to the main south, a longer and slower journey.

I cannot remember the changing date and when the various MLE type flat wagons (could well have been other flats though, and of newer types) were converted and tests performed on them speed wise.  The cradles were generally at 45degrees, and chained over the top and fastened on both sides at the bottom of the cradles.  The benefit was multi, as the angle of the cradles, allowed for them being well balanced and speed was able to be increased to IIRC to 6omph, there were still speed conditions on them.

The other benefit that also worked in with the increase of speed, was that no more did they go via Enfield (unless an issue and extra wagons that were not allowed on the Dombarton - Moss Vale line) but they were primarily running on the mountain, and that meant better transit times.

I believe there must be some of the cradle wagons in use on some services as I have seen the tilted steel on some NCL trains, along the Hunter line between Telerah & BMD, also and its been a while I have been on Central Coast services and seen some trains in the Gosford an Cowan loops. That is a small sample these days.

One other aspect in the old out of gauge loads was the aspect that every station had to be manned by ASM/SM or signalman when they ran, the train had to reduce speed through the station areas, along the whole length of the platform.  When the train was clear of the platform there had to be a green light from the Guard to the driver/or fireman depending on the side that was visible for the hand signal.

From memory, Binalong was somewhat a problem and speed had to be reduced to a very slow speed owing to the curvature of the platform on the down side.  Guard and SM/ASM/Signalman had to exchange the green hand signal as the train passed. It was also a location where they were put away to allow faster trains to run through them.
  YM-Mundrabilla The Ghost of George Stephenson

Location: Mundrabilla but I'd rather be in Narvik
Qube have some new wagons that Ive yet to see many photos of yet for other product.

I think the tilt RKWY wagons might be going to Qube?
speedemon08
That is the question and if so under what conditions?Smile
  YM-Mundrabilla The Ghost of George Stephenson

Location: Mundrabilla but I'd rather be in Narvik
Is there any RSJ* or other steel product ex Port Kembla that will require the use of open wagons? I have seen some on various videos but they may well have been very old.
AFAIK all the long products like RSJ come out of Whyalla and OneSteel (or whatever they're called now) are staying with PN.
Fatty
That is my current understanding but, as I said, I have seen opens of RSJs and pipes on WM service videos but they may have been videos from years ago.
The question re plate remains so we will just wait and see.Smile

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