Historical Sidings around Bainsdale

 
  bevans Site Admin

Location: Melbourne, Australia
Returning from holidays via Bairnsdale there really is quite a bit of industry on the downside of Bairnsdale what sidings were in use in the 20 years prior to closure of the line to Orbost?

On a side note there is a large timber and log yard now in Morwell located not far from the old briquette sidings.  Is this export timber?

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  Nightfire Minister for Railways

Location: Gippsland
Returning from holidays via Bairnsdale there really is quite a bit of industry on the downside of Bairnsdale what sidings were in use in the 20 years prior to closure of the line to Orbost?

On a side note there is a large timber and log yard now in Morwell located not far from the old briquette sidings.  Is this export timber?
bevans
The only sidings on the down direction of Bairnsdale (within Greater Bairnsdale) would of been the Mitchel River Wharf sidings (but they would of closed long before the Orbost line closed.

Industry your seeing has probable established within the last 30 odd years.
  bevans Site Admin

Location: Melbourne, Australia
The only sidings on the down direction of Bairnsdale (within Greater Bairnsdale) would of been the Mitchel River Wharf sidings (but they would of closed long before the Orbost line closed.

Industry your seeing has probable established within the last 30 odd years.
Nightfire

The number of Dyers trucks on the road heading east yesterday was unexpected. I counted at least 5 on the way home between Bairnsdale and Pakenham (or earlier)

https://www.dyers.com.au/about/locations

Some of this could surely go on rail?
  Nightfire Minister for Railways

Location: Gippsland
The only sidings on the down direction of Bairnsdale (within Greater Bairnsdale) would of been the Mitchel River Wharf sidings (but they would of closed long before the Orbost line closed.

Industry your seeing has probable established within the last 30 odd years.

The number of Dyers trucks on the road heading east yesterday was unexpected. I counted at least 5 on the way home between Bairnsdale and Pakenham (or earlier)

https://www.dyers.com.au/about/locations

Some of this could surely go on rail?
bevans
Fresh food probably to the Epping Fruit and Vegetable market, every minute counts for the farmer to get the highest value for there produce.
  gippslander Chief Commissioner

Location: Central Gippsland, Vic
Returning from holidays via Bairnsdale there really is quite a bit of industry on the downside of Bairnsdale what sidings were in use in the 20 years prior to closure of the line to Orbost?

On a side note there is a large timber and log yard now in Morwell located not far from the old briquette sidings.  Is this export timber?
bevans
Pre the axing of the weekly Bairnsdale goods in 1994, the major traffic was fuel for the Caltex depot on the up side of the yard, plus briquettes for the hospital and a very occasional consignment of outwards wool. The log traffic was based at the new Bosworth Rd siding after about 2002 - that is where Fenning Timber intends to base its new intermodal terminal.
At Morwell, the Australian Paper terminal at Maryvale is more than capable of handling intermodal or quarry traffic, the GIFT precinct at Morwell East will just be a road serviced general industrial area. ANC Forestry nearby wouldn't have a clue about rail and its business is 100% road focused, as is Dyers Trucks who started in the 1930s with a mission to bust State regulations requiring freight to be transported by rail (which they did very successfully).
For the time being, the reassuring blast of twin VL whistles on the Maryvale freight will be the only rail produce going through Morwell.
  Galron Chief Commissioner

Location: Werribee, Vic
Returning from holidays via Bairnsdale there really is quite a bit of industry on the downside of Bairnsdale what sidings were in use in the 20 years prior to closure of the line to Orbost?

On a side note there is a large timber and log yard now in Morwell located not far from the old briquette sidings.  Is this export timber?
Pre the axing of the weekly Bairnsdale goods in 1994, the major traffic was fuel for the Caltex depot on the up side of the yard, plus briquettes for the hospital and a very occasional consignment of outwards wool. The log traffic was based at the new Bosworth Rd siding after about 2002 - that is where Fenning Timber intends to base its new intermodal terminal.
At Morwell, the Australian Paper terminal at Maryvale is more than capable of handling intermodal or quarry traffic, the GIFT precinct at Morwell East will just be a road serviced general industrial area. ANC Forestry nearby wouldn't have a clue about rail and its business is 100% road focused, as is Dyers Trucks who started in the 1930s with a mission to bust State regulations requiring freight to be transported by rail (which they did very successfully).
For the time being, the reassuring blast of twin VL whistles on the Maryvale freight will be the only rail produce going through Morwell.
gippslander


i'll second Gippslander's comments around Dyers. Not a big fan. Although i get the feeling if they could make a buck from rail they would. Fennings i think are big enough with a lot of their own product to bankroll the intermodal terminal they are setting up. Dyers might have some viable competition in some aspects, especially anything that can go into containers for direct export, or on-shipping interstate. If fennings start viably doing vans like SCT seem to run successfully it could get interesting.

As to sidings around bairnsdale, there also was also the CRB/vicroads bitumen depot west of Bairnsdale, which was for a time the loading point for the log train when the line was otherwise "closed". The bitumen stopped pretty much as soon as b-doubles became a thing and petroleum products largely went to road.
  hbedriver Deputy Commissioner

The siding on the up side of Bairnsdale is called Hillside.

Sister's ex works for Dyers, on a B-double. His daily run is frozen produce from Patties to Laverton, returning with whatever the company can find as a back-load. Another driver then runs the same truck and i believe same load back to Laverton, he then picks up again for next trip. Whatever else, they are getting some work from their trucks, two trips daily to Laverton with same product using the one truck.

Dunno how many other trucks used. As to whether the traffic would be rail-contestable, I also don't know.

In the later 1980's, the evening down Gippslander used to comprise a 3-car N set, with at least one, usually two and often three D vans full of parcels/LCL traffic; that would be placed beside the goods shed for unloading/delivery locally overnight.

The site of the wharf siding is now part of the local Mitre 10 hardware. They actually do a decent latte as well.
  bevans Site Admin

Location: Melbourne, Australia
How many truck trips per day would come from Patties to Laverton (output from the plant)?
  Galron Chief Commissioner

Location: Werribee, Vic
How many truck trips per day would come from Patties to Laverton (output from the plant)?
bevans
There would be a few, given they at one stage where getting at least 2, possibly 3 b-doubles of flour per day last time i looked. i'd be surprised if it wasent at least that in finished product. If what they ship where is viable for rail i'm sure they will look at it when they have the option.
  RustyRick Chief Commissioner

Location: South West Vic
How many truck trips per day would come from Patties to Laverton (output from the plant)?
There would be a few, given they at one stage where getting at least 2, possibly 3 b-doubles of flour per day last time i looked. i'd be surprised if it wasent at least that in finished product. If what they ship where is viable for rail i'm sure they will look at it when they have the option.
Galron
Frozen pastries. I doubt that would ever go by rail.

My cousin used to work there about 15 years ago, and even then they were struggling for storage space. Everything that was produced went out by truck almost immediately. They can't afford to wait around for a full train.
  bevans Site Admin

Location: Melbourne, Australia
How many truck trips per day would come from Patties to Laverton (output from the plant)?
There would be a few, given they at one stage where getting at least 2, possibly 3 b-doubles of flour per day last time i looked. i'd be surprised if it wasent at least that in finished product. If what they ship where is viable for rail i'm sure they will look at it when they have the option.
Frozen pastries. I doubt that would ever go by rail.

My cousin used to work there about 15 years ago, and even then they were struggling for storage space. Everything that was produced went out by truck almost immediately. They can't afford to wait around for a full train.
RustyRick

the SCT has 100's of wagons with fresh produce running around the country.  it would not be hard to load a train with reefers?
  BrentonGolding Chief Commissioner

Location: Maldon Junction
How many truck trips per day would come from Patties to Laverton (output from the plant)?
There would be a few, given they at one stage where getting at least 2, possibly 3 b-doubles of flour per day last time i looked. i'd be surprised if it wasent at least that in finished product. If what they ship where is viable for rail i'm sure they will look at it when they have the option.
Frozen pastries. I doubt that would ever go by rail.

My cousin used to work there about 15 years ago, and even then they were struggling for storage space. Everything that was produced went out by truck almost immediately. They can't afford to wait around for a full train.

the SCT has 100's of wagons with fresh produce running around the country.  it would not be hard to load a train with reefers?
bevans
Of course much of the output from the Patties factory are Four N Twenty branded goods which used to be made in Kensington. Right near a Flour Mill. And between 2 rail lines!

Progress eh, ya can't beat it!!!
  gippslander Chief Commissioner

Location: Central Gippsland, Vic
I think the biggest tragedy for rail freight in Victoria is the half hearted support from Government to make it happen. It's pretty easy to hop on the phone and get quotes from the trucking industry fast for a transport task, but even if a proponent was really keen on rail there is no one at all who can advise on all the complex operational, governance and regulatory issues. Tim Fischer's 'Switchback' report on the topic about 2007 made a specific recommendation to establish a dedicated rail freight development group in Government for that purpose. Successive State governments have quietly left that one in the bottom drawer. Meanwhile, the limited cash support for regional terminals only gets funded for a year or so at a time, hardly enough to give potential operators much confidence to invest, or for rail freight providers to update their capacity.
  gippslander Chief Commissioner

Location: Central Gippsland, Vic
Rusty Rick:

Frozen pastries. I doubt that would ever go by rail.

My cousin used to work there about 15 years ago, and even then they were struggling for storage space. Everything that was produced went out by truck almost immediately. They can't afford to wait around for a full train.
Bairnsdale is far enough distant from Melbourne to make rail palatable for Patties and other East Gippsland food producers. I wonder whether they have ever been contacted by a rail freight provider with a complete logistics proposal?
  speedemon08 Mary

Location: I think by now you should have figured it out
Rusty Rick:

Frozen pastries. I doubt that would ever go by rail.

My cousin used to work there about 15 years ago, and even then they were struggling for storage space. Everything that was produced went out by truck almost immediately. They can't afford to wait around for a full train.
Bairnsdale is far enough distant from Melbourne to make rail palatable for Patties and other East Gippsland food producers. I wonder whether they have ever been contacted by a rail freight provider with a complete logistics proposal?
gippslander
Well if they want containers of frozen product to sit there most of the day until Vline will let them run a train.
  YM-Mundrabilla The Ghost of George Stephenson

Location: Mundrabilla but I'd rather be in Narvik
Rusty Rick:

Frozen pastries. I doubt that would ever go by rail.

My cousin used to work there about 15 years ago, and even then they were struggling for storage space. Everything that was produced went out by truck almost immediately. They can't afford to wait around for a full train.
Bairnsdale is far enough distant from Melbourne to make rail palatable for Patties and other East Gippsland food producers. I wonder whether they have ever been contacted by a rail freight provider with a complete logistics proposal?
Well if they want containers of frozen product to sit there most of the day until Vline will let them run a train.
speedemon08
Never mind the chronic week long plus shutdowns.
No one could even contemplate such an operation. It would be on road much of the time anyway.
How about a 20 or 40 foot dog trailer on every Vline bus?Rolling Eyes

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