Federal Election 2022

 
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  Valvegear Oliver Bullied, CME

Location: Banned
You would not be saying this if she had behaved that way towards Albo.
"don_dunstan"
Completely irrelevant. Stick to what's happening and leave your imagination out of it.

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  michaelgm Chief Commissioner

Really Don, former PM Gillard was bashed from pillar to post, whist in office.
And carried on with dignity. Left politics and has little to say since.
History says she was the very first female PM and nothing will erase that achievement.
Makes me a proud Australian.
  don_dunstan Oliver Bullied, CME

Location: Adelaide proud
You would not be saying this if she had behaved that way towards Albo.
Completely irrelevant. Stick to what's happening and leave your imagination out of it.
Valvegear
You're condoning future activism of any kind against anyone and you know it.
History says she was the very first female PM and nothing will erase that achievement.
michaelgm
Or her dreadful, inept decisions.
  michaelgm Chief Commissioner

You would not be saying this if she had behaved that way towards Albo.
Completely irrelevant. Stick to what's happening and leave your imagination out of it.
You're condoning future activism of any kind against anyone and you know it.
History says she was the very first female PM and nothing will erase that achievement.
Or her dreadful, inept decisions.
don_dunstan
Windsor and Oakshot decided her decisions were preferable to that of Abbott and clan.
Agree or disagree, we get the government we elect/deserve.
  don_dunstan Oliver Bullied, CME

Location: Adelaide proud
Windsor and Oakshot decided her decisions were preferable to that of Abbott and clan.
Agree or disagree, we get the government we elect/deserve.
michaelgm
I agree with you, Abbott was a p*ss-poor negotiator according to Oakeshot - he walked into the room and told the independents that they had no choice but to vote for him and he wouldn't take 'no' for an answer. Gillard by comparison managed to win them over and form government but then they all lost their seats in 2013 as revenge for voting with Labor.

Those six years of Labor were a total waste - Gillard too weak to consider Resource Rent Tax or any other income boosting-measure instead increasing debt exponentially after the huge waste of Rudd's pink batts and school halls disasters. Sat on her hands while (what was left) of the car industry burnt to the ground from the high dollar and the iron ore boom - and to top it off she gave KFC and Hungry Jacks 'skilled visas' to import burger flippers from Nepal while leaving Aussie kids unemployed. Classic Labor lefties, more welfare for the people we've made unemployed, screwing taxpayers of the future by accumulating more debt while caving in to billionaires and giving them exactly what they wanted.

Six years of unmitigated waste. And we're almost certainly in for more of the same later this year...
  Madhouse_ Station Master

Windsor and Oakshot decided her decisions were preferable to that of Abbott and clan.
Agree or disagree, we get the government we elect/deserve.


Those six years of Labor were a total waste - Gillard too weak to consider Resource Rent Tax or any other income boosting-measure instead increasing debt exponentially after the huge waste of Rudd's pink batts and school halls disasters. Sat on her hands while (what was left) of the car industry burnt to the ground from the high dollar and the iron ore boom - and to top it off she gave KFC and Hungry Jacks 'skilled visas' to import burger flippers from Nepal while leaving Aussie kids unemployed. Classic Labor lefties, more welfare for the people we've made unemployed, screwing taxpayers of the future by accumulating more debt while caving in to billionaires and giving them exactly what they wanted.

Six years of unmitigated waste. And we're almost certainly in for more of the same later this year...
don_dunstan




I'll leave this here....

Source: https://www.aph.gov.au/About_Parliament/Parliamentary_Departments/Parliamentary_Library/pubs/rp/BudgetReview202122/CommonwealthDebt
  The Vinelander Minister for Railways

Location: Ballan, Victoria on the Ballarat Line
GT, in my view gave Morrison far more respect than he’s earned or deserves.
Please tell us how she was being petulant, or is yet more uninformed waffle from the chief waffler of SA ??
Have you seen the video? She rolled her eyes like a brat. Imagine if she'd done that to Albanese or pretty much any other political leader - you'd be unhappy about it - right? You might not like ScoMo but he's the elected Prime Minister of this nation and he deserves respect - not open rudeness.

If she really didn't want to meet with him she shouldn't have gone - but she seems determined to have made an immature scene - which is exactly what she did.
don_dunstan

And fair enough from the embarrassment of a PM who lied to President Macron and also brought a lump of coal into the House as a prop.

Need I also mention the people devastatingly affected by the bush fires two years ago that ScoMo tried to use as a photo opportunity, who refused to shake his hand...and then claimed "I don't hold a hose mate".

Are they 'petulant' as well Question

Mike.
  The Vinelander Minister for Railways

Location: Ballan, Victoria on the Ballarat Line
Windsor and Oakshot decided her decisions were preferable to that of Abbott and clan.
Agree or disagree, we get the government we elect/deserve.
I agree with you, Abbott was a p*ss-poor negotiator according to Oakeshot - he walked into the room and told the independents that they had no choice but to vote for him and he wouldn't take 'no' for an answer. Gillard by comparison managed to win them over and form government but then they all lost their seats in 2013 as revenge for voting with Labor.

Those six years of Labor were a total waste - Gillard too weak to consider Resource Rent Tax or any other income boosting-measure instead increasing debt exponentially after the huge waste of Rudd's pink batts and school halls disasters. Sat on her hands while (what was left) of the car industry burnt to the ground from the high dollar and the iron ore boom - and to top it off she gave KFC and Hungry Jacks 'skilled visas' to import burger flippers from Nepal while leaving Aussie kids unemployed. Classic Labor lefties, more welfare for the people we've made unemployed, screwing taxpayers of the future by accumulating more debt while caving in to billionaires and giving them exactly what they wanted.

Six years of unmitigated waste. And we're almost certainly in for more of the same later this year...
don_dunstan

Utter rubbish Exclamation

And we didn't have 9 years of malaise under the current conservative regime Question

I had the batts installed in my ceiling...no charge and they went straight on top of the old ones to build up the layers.

I see you had no comeback to Wayne Swan being Treasurer at the time of the GFC and we were one of the few western economies that did NOT go into a recession.

More debt...you idiot, you've forgotten already the current regime giving $40,000,000,000, yes $40 Billion Jobkeeper to businesses that didn't need it.

https://www.afr.com/rear-window/jobkeeper-wasted-40-billion-not-27-billion-but-who-s-counting-20211012-p58zeq

It was your mate Hockey that killed the domestic car industry with his horror 2014 budget that broke all the election promises about no cuts to government services.

https://www.afr.com/companies/manufacturing/hockey-dares-gm-to-leave-20131211-iyoj2

So suffer sadly as we 'Labor Lefties' take over the levers of government in a few short weeks. That'll really give you something to get your knickers in a twist about.

Mike.
  james.au Minister for Railways

Location: Sydney, NSW
This doesn't distract from the fact that you do not disrespect the office of Prime Minister.
don_dunstan
The office of this Prime Minister has progressively degraded itself through being overly politicised and failing to look after all Australians and not just the favoured few.  It does not deserve the respect it once did.
  don_dunstan Oliver Bullied, CME

Location: Adelaide proud
And fair enough from the embarrassment of a PM who lied to President Macron and also brought a lump of coal into the House as a prop.
The Vinelander
Oh NOES! Call the police.
Need I also mention the people devastatingly affected by the bush fires two years ago that ScoMo tried to use as a photo opportunity, who refused to shake his hand...and then claimed "I don't hold a hose mate". Are they 'petulant' as well Question Mike.
The Vinelander
So he was wrong for being honest about not being a professional fire-fighter? Only a few moments ago you were saying he was wrong for cancelling the submarines contract with France and keeping it under his hat until the official announcement.

Make up your mind.
  don_dunstan Oliver Bullied, CME

Location: Adelaide proud
Utter rubbish Exclamation

And we didn't have 9 years of malaise under the current conservative regime Question

I had the batts installed in my ceiling...no charge and they went straight on top of the old ones to build up the layers.
The Vinelander
Taxpayers that haven't even been born yet will still be paying off that middle class welfare in your ceiling in years to come. "Free" stuff is great isn't it? I can't wait until Albo is our Prime Minister later this year, I'm going to set up big nets in my backyard to catch all the 'free' money that they're going to be dropping from helicopters over my house.
I see you had no comeback to Wayne Swan being Treasurer at the time of the GFC and we were one of the few western economies that did NOT go into a recession.
The Vinelander
They borrowed quarter of a trillion dollars - I mentioned that several times and you just ignored it.
More debt...you idiot, you've forgotten already the current regime giving $40,000,000,000, yes $40 Billion Jobkeeper to businesses that didn't need it.
The Vinelander
You're wrong, I mentioned it on this very thread only yesterday.

Please read what was already discussed before you fly off the handle with accusations. And please don't call me an idiot or I'll report you again - I know you find these discussions highly emotional but you'll just have to learn not to flame other people in the process.
It was your mate Hockey that killed the domestic car industry with his horror 2014 budget that broke all the election promises about no cuts to government services.  
The Vinelander
He's not my 'mate'.

And how did the Liberal broken promises compare to the Gillard broken promise of 'no carbon tax under any government I lead?'. The same? Better? Worse?
So suffer sadly as we 'Labor Lefties' take over the levers of government in a few short weeks. That'll really give you something to get your knickers in a twist about. Mike.
The Vinelander
I don't get emotional about this stuff, Mike, but you clearly do.

And as I've already said, I'm looking forward to lots of Labor governments - probably the water services, the motor registry and the motorways will all get privatised here in South Australia - Labor are experts are privatising everything they can get their hands on in this state and I expect them to pick up where they left off last time and look for new stuff to sell even though there's not much left. And I already told you that I'm looking forward to Albo as PM - I have the nets all ready to go to catch that wonderful helicopter money. It'll be great - 'free' stuff for everyone all the time and without any strings attached.

The very definition of fiscal responsibility just as we're entering a high interest rate period. What's not to like?
  don_dunstan Oliver Bullied, CME

Location: Adelaide proud
Josh Frydenburg has accused Albo of secretly plotting to bring in high taxes on family trusts and curb other forms of tax shelters.

Good - it's about time someone came up with a plan to start paying back this massive pile of debt we've accumulated... Shorten had the same plan at the last election but it was scuttled after they lost along with the negative gearing and 'free' share imputation money plans.

They were actually quite reasonable and well-thought out tax changes by Labor that would have clawed back some of the money needed to pay for services and infrastructure. We can't keep living on borrowed money - something has to give. The LNP also need to start telling us how they intend to pay off this huge pile of debt we've been accumulating.
  lsrailfan Minister for Railways

Location: Somewhere you're not
Upon reflection, I do think Grace Tame could have handled herself a bit better yes, It's one thing not to like the PM, but another to be not courteous upon meeting someone.
  don_dunstan Oliver Bullied, CME

Location: Adelaide proud
House prices neck and neck with Canada for the biggest increases in the world (since 2000). We are utterly screwing the young of this country and nobody cares because the people who already hold the houses are directly benefiting.

  michaelgm Chief Commissioner

House prices neck and neck with Canada for the biggest increases in the world (since 2000). We are utterly screwing the young of this country and nobody cares because the people who already hold the houses are directly benefiting.

don_dunstan
Fair enough, what’s the solution?
  michaelgm Chief Commissioner

Upon reflection, I do think Grace Tame could have handled herself a bit better yes, It's one thing not to like the PM, but another to be not courteous upon meeting someone.
lsrailfan
I’ve read earlier today, GT made it clear she didn’t want any part of a photo op. Her and her partner were waiting to follow Morrison inside when she was summoned. Whether true or not?
  michaelgm Chief Commissioner

It’s good gig.

  don_dunstan Oliver Bullied, CME

Location: Adelaide proud
House prices neck and neck with Canada for the biggest increases in the world (since 2000). We are utterly screwing the young of this country and nobody cares because the people who already hold the houses are directly benefiting.
Fair enough, what’s the solution?
michaelgm
You're pushing against a very strong group of vested interests in people who want to keep housing completely un-affordable. They don't look at it like that but that's the reality. In that corner you have:
  • Retirees, pensioners, anyone who has assets vested in residential real estate such as small time (or even big-time) residential landlords. Rents are making good returns comparatively speaking at the moment but its the capital gains that they're really after.
  • Banks and the banking system - it's no coincidence that our banks are the most profitable institutions on the face of the planet (per capita) AND we have almost the most expensive housing in the world. The banks also have most of our politicians captive on both sides of the house.
  • Real estate, insurance and all other services to housing like Boral, Bunnings, etc.
  • Finally, 'mum and dad' residential property owners who feel richer when their principal place of residence goes up in value and redraw or borrow against it to increase their wealth.
In the other corner you have:
  • The young and the poor, the hand-to-mouth working class.

It's pretty obvious who will win in the development of policy and in political lobbying, so I'm really not sure what can be done to at least keep housing reasonably affordable - Sydney's median house price in the greater metro area is now a million bucks so if you're young and you don't have family money then you really should leave unless you can make good six-figures - which isn't most people.

I don't know what the answer is - that's my honest assessment. I can guess at what might happen is all... Both sides of the house have been looking at allowing first-homebuyers to withdraw (say) 50 or 80 thousand from their superannuation to put towards a first home purchase but frankly that's not really fixing the problem of affordability - in fact really that's going to tip petrol on the fire.

Interest rates are almost certainly going up this year as I've been saying for a while now - the average Sydney mortgage for someone starting out is $700,000. At 2.9% (which is the current variable with the Big Four) your repayments will be $2,800 per month but if we take that to 6% which is close to the historical average then your repayments rocket to $4,200 per month. That would break a lot of people, no doubt - not the best way to rein in prices but the market might sort it out eventually if there's a rapid succession of rises.
  freightgate Minister for Railways

Location: Albury, New South Wales
Was Albo right today to not shake hands with scomo?

It looked very bad when he did. It and everyone else in the queue did.
  Graham4405 The Ghost of George Stephenson

Location: In exile
We are utterly screwing the young of this country and nobody cares because the people who already hold the houses are directly benefiting.
don_dunstan
Who is we? The only people screwing anyone (as far as housing goes) is those selling homes for more than they are worth. Don't want to be screwed? Don't entertain the idea of buying from them. (That leaves me out, I last sold a house 22 years ago and I sold it at a loss. I could argue that I got screwed.)

My brother is looking to buy his first home at age 62. He has a budget of under $100,000. He has found several possible candidates, granted none of them are particularly special, all of them need a good spruce up to be even livable, but they are there. Check https://www.realestate.com.au/buy for houses under $100,000.

People entering the market need to be prepared to buy in a market they can afford, put up with a lower standard than their dream home, and be prepared to put in a bit of effort. It's what we all did in the 1970s when we bought our first home.

I remember back in the 1960s (when I was at school) the average Australian family had very little, their homes were little more than shacks, but there was always a near new car in the yard (just one, not one per family member). Having a good reliable vehicle was top priority over having a flash home, it was an absolute necessity. You could buy a new car under $2k. Fuel was about $0.0925 per litre. None of them cared about the "sub-standard" housing, they made do. 2 or 3 kids per bedroom. $32k would have bought what many would have considered to be a mansion in Brisbane at that time. Very, very few could afford that.

There are many, many homes for sale in this country at prices considerably less than what it would cost to rebuild them (insured value). It could be argued that these vendors are getting screwed.

It's only buyers who insist on buying a home in certain areas that are being screwed, and they can only blame themselves.
  DirtyBallast Chief Commissioner

Location: Banned
Upon reflection, I do think Grace Tame could have handled herself a bit better yes, It's one thing not to like the PM, but another to be not courteous upon meeting someone.
lsrailfan
Nup.

Morrison has, despite all that has happened and all that has been said, somehow been portrayed as the victim here.

just goes to show how out of touch he is, and how ineffective his lip service has been.
  Heihachi_73 Chief Commissioner

Location: Terminating at Ringwood
Put the Liberals in the bin.
https://redd.it/b3naae

Just as valid today as it was in 2019.
  The Vinelander Minister for Railways

Location: Ballan, Victoria on the Ballarat Line
And fair enough from the embarrassment of a PM who lied to President Macron and also brought a lump of coal into the House as a prop.
Oh NOES! Call the police.
Need I also mention the people devastatingly affected by the bush fires two years ago that ScoMo tried to use as a photo opportunity, who refused to shake his hand...and then claimed "I don't hold a hose mate". Are they 'petulant' as well Question Mike.
So he was wrong for being honest about not being a professional fire-fighter? Only a few moments ago you were saying he was wrong for cancelling the submarines contract with France and keeping it under his hat until the official announcement.

Make up your mind.
don_dunstan

You're defending the indefensible. Because your man love Trump has normalised lying as a political tactic, you assume our miserable excuse for a PM can do the same. He didn't get away with it and combined with a raft of other mis-deeds WILL pay the ultimate political price for it in a few weeks.

Trying to twist my words around in a vain attempt to remain relevant when you will NOT have history on your side is simply pathetic...and I'm not pi$$ed off with you because of the heat and humidity... I'm rejoicing, but also sad that Albo will soon take over from this pathetic and miserable, malaise infested bunch of misogynistic and hopeless economy managing ratbags.

As usual, time will soon show you are just WRONG Exclamation

Mike.
  Valvegear Oliver Bullied, CME

Location: Banned
So he was wrong for being honest about not being a professional fire-fighter?
"don_dunstan"
He was not being honest; he was being flippant and dismissive. You're old enough to know the difference.
  The Vinelander Minister for Railways

Location: Ballan, Victoria on the Ballarat Line
So he was wrong for being honest about not being a professional fire-fighter?
He was not being honest; he was being flippant and dismissive. You're old enough to know the difference.
Valvegear

I know what would have passed the pub test...and the representative from SA would have been thrown out of the Public bar for saying these comments... "So he was wrong for being honest about not being a professional fire-fighter", in ScoMo trying to capitalise on a photo op when he had just been caught out on a beach in Hawaii when those victims of the fires were at their most vulnerable and trying to patch up that mess, which he later agreed was a very bad look.

These are the sort of comments that keeps this contributor on the outer and I think he actually enjoys it Exclamation

Mike.

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