Seymour Line trains via the goods line

 
  freightgate Minister for Railways

Location: Albury, New South Wales
In the last 48 hours a sprinter set from Seymour to Melbourne was diverted via jacana to albion goods line and then into Melbourne via the V/line tracks.

Must be a rare event and apparently caused by a failed set of points at Broadmeadows.

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  Djebel Chief Train Controller

Would route knowledge for this diversion be ubiquitous among V/Line passenger drivers, or was it  sheer good luck that a suitably qualified driver was at the helm?
  Galron Chief Commissioner

Location: Werribee, Vic
Would route knowledge for this diversion be ubiquitous among V/Line passenger drivers, or was it  sheer good luck that a suitably qualified driver was at the helm?
Djebel
Either the Driver was qualified on the route, or they used some fine print in the rule book for emergencies to allow the train to go over the path. Would imagine someone with a trainer/instructor level ticket would have to know all tracks, or that qualification would give them the ability to traverse the line. A whole lot of if's but's and maybes.
  bevans Site Admin

Location: Melbourne, Australia
At least V/Line or the signaller took some initiative to unblock the system and provide the service.  Well Done.
  kuldalai Chief Commissioner

At least V/Line or the signaller took some initiative to unblock the system and provide the service.  Well Done.
bevans
Also many Melbourne based drivers would be qualified for Jacana to Sunshine etc as providing crews for the Apex quarry trains to Brooklyn and Westall
  freightgate Minister for Railways

Location: Albury, New South Wales
I have always thought electrify the line between jacana and albion and also sunshine to
Newport and there you have additional optionality for Newport and Broadmeadows services. New routing.
  BaysideManny Assistant Commissioner

I have always thought electrify the line between jacana and albion and also sunshine to
Newport and there you have additional optionality for Newport and Broadmeadows services. New routing.
freightgate
Jacana to Albion could be done, however Sunshine to Newport not a chance. Newport the line is singled with no access to the platforms and very little space.


Mannie
  freightgate Minister for Railways

Location: Albury, New South Wales
The Newport goods line does have access to the platforms at Newport.
  hbedriver Deputy Commissioner

Both goods lines can access platforms at each end, excluding of course the newer loop back from Brooklyn to Tottenham.

Drivers working for goods companies do not drive passenger trains, one of the benefits (apparently) of privatization.

There are about a dozen VLP drivers qualified on the Albion-Jacana line. That is an improvement; they were using some of the heritage workings to gain/refresh their route knowledge. I think a couple of supervisors are qualified as well.
  KRviator Moderator

Location: Up the front
There are about a dozen VLP drivers qualified on the Albion-Jacana line. That is an improvement; they were using some of the heritage workings to gain/refresh their route knowledge. I think a couple of supervisors are qualified as well.
hbedriver
Does V/Line have a suitable simulator they could use to train & qualify crew over a corridor such as this?

Having seen some what some operators call "simulators" I wouldn't trust them to teach a trainee Driver train handling & route knowledge but for someone with several years experience and needing to learn a new route they would (might?) be viable.
  BaysideManny Assistant Commissioner

The Newport goods line does have access to the platforms at Newport.
freightgate
I stand corrected, but there is very little capacity at Newport to host passenger services.


Mannie
  speedemon08 Mary

Location: I think by now you should have figured it out
At least V/Line or the signaller took some initiative to unblock the system and provide the service.  Well Done.
Also many Melbourne based drivers would be qualified for Jacana to Sunshine etc as providing crews for the Apex quarry trains to Brooklyn and Westall
kuldalai
Qube has their own in house drivers Rolling Eyes
  Tii Chief Train Controller

I have always thought electrify the line between jacana and albion and also sunshine to
Newport and there you have additional optionality for Newport and Broadmeadows services. New routing.
freightgate
Having lived in the area for decades, I often thought that doing as you suggested would have provided a sort of western rail loop service from jacana to Williamstown or Werribee line via a few new stops before the SRL idea came onto the scene.
  Galron Chief Commissioner

Location: Werribee, Vic
A point that's just occurred to me is that any driver that works with any of the heritage groups is very likely qualified on that route, as its commonly used for testing, training and straight out tours through the areal. I dont know how many are in that pool, but the would be a reasonable number
  Djebel Chief Train Controller

Unless dedicated tracks were provided, wouldn't electrifying the freight line rather defeat the purpose of having a separated freight path into/out of Melbourne?
  8502 Assistant Commissioner

Unless dedicated tracks were provided, wouldn't electrifying the freight line rather defeat the purpose of having a separated freight path into/out of Melbourne?
Djebel

How many freight trains use those lines per day?
  kuldalai Chief Commissioner

Unless dedicated tracks were provided, wouldn't electrifying the freight line rather defeat the purpose of having a separated freight path into/out of Melbourne?

How many freight trains use those lines per day?
8502
Average 13 standard gauge freight trains a day plus; plus "the  Overdue" on 4 days a week.
  8502 Assistant Commissioner

Between Sunshine and Jacana?
  hbedriver Deputy Commissioner

Couple of clarifications.

The only VLP drivers qualified there to my knowledge are some on the heritage list. Not all of those either. Given that no VLP trains are planned to run that line, that’s more drivers than VLP probably think necessary. In practice, for the once in 2-3 years a move might be handy, including unplanned disruption, it’s plenty. Hardest thing is to keep those guys current.

Around 6 BG goods trains use the line daily; Apex is two trips daily each way, subject to Metro occos, and a Tocumwal (either containers or grain, depending on loading). The track can stack approaching trains at each end waiting paths, congestion doesn’t seem to be a concern.

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