Europe's biggest nuclear plant on fire in Ukraine

 
  don_dunstan Oliver Bullied, CME

Location: Adelaide proud
You need to understand something about invading and occupying a country - the citizens will usually resist with or without political leaders presence.

And you need to understand that particularly in the case of Ukraine it just isn't that simple.

Crimea for example is 80% Russian speaking and most people identified as ethnic Russian which is why Putin decided to take it back in 2014 after the coup.

About 14,000 civilians have been killed in the eastern regions like Donbass since 2014 - much of it the Ukranian government shelling and shooting their own people. There's been a lot of insurrection in those places conducted by Russian-backed rebels - Putin called them 'freedom fighters', Zelenskyy called them 'terrorists'.

It just isn't straightforward that the Ukrainian people are all going to reject the Russians as invaders - some will welcome them as liberators.

Someone is completely clueless, acording to your logic Germany should invade the likes of the Barossa Valley and claim it as its own.

They are mostly Russian because of past Rusification policies which saw Russia in former USSR move Russians into the non Russian states to force a change to one culture and language and in this area was high in Russians due to former soviet military installations including nuclear missle silo's and navy and airforce installations, any Ukrainain's there mostly left for fear over the last 7 years.

Don, follow your own policies and don't talk about other places, you are not there, you don't know. At least I've been to Ukraine and do business with Ukraine (well until two weeks back) .
RTT_Rules
LOL so using that logic then don't ever talk about Adelaide again - you've been here once. You know nothing about living here so don't ever comment again.

You should know better by now than to tangle with me, Shane. I research things, I post facts - you don't do any of those things mate.

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  don_dunstan Oliver Bullied, CME

Location: Adelaide proud
What does speaking the language have to do with it? 80% of Americans speak English - what do you think most Americans would do if the English invaded America? What would New Zealand do if Australia invaded New Zealand? Probably 90% of New Zealanders speak English - so … we would only have to fight the Māori and New Zealand would be ‘Australia’s new East and South East Islands’?

Of course a lot of Ukrainians speak Russian, the languages are very similar and the country was wholly in the USSR - take a guess at what language most students before 1991 learnt in School, it probably wasn’t Bahasa Indonesia or Khmer.

My wife, father in law and Babcia were all born in Poland, Babcia can speak a Polish, German and Russian, the father in law speaks Polish and Russian, my wife Polish, English and Russian.

Sadly, they’re collectively a set of walking, talking signs of the times in Poland through the occupying years. Babcia forced to learn German in schools, then Russian under the Warsaw Pact (effectively occupation) years. My father in law, no choice but to learn Russian in school and at university under the effective communist occupation, my wife, briefly learning Russian in school before switching to English as soon as her father could find an appropriate English tutor.

Would any of them fight with or for the Russians today? You would have to be properly kidding yourself! They hate Putin and Russia, they hated him before he invaded Crimea, and they hate him more today, sure, they can all ‘speak the language’ but if Russia invades Poland they’ll be more inclined to try killing Russians than welcoming them.

Again, there is little evidence that the Ukrainians are any different, in fact, seemingly quite a lot evidence to suggest that Ukrainians are indeed not ‘welcoming’ the Russian invaders.
Aaron
Again with this absolutist stuff, Aaron.

All I said was that not everyone is unwelcoming of the Russians - and that's true. The Crimea had a supervised referendum after the CIA-sponsored coup in 2014 and they overwhelmingly voted to rejoin the Russian government but the referendum was ignored by the EU (amongst others). So Putin took over Crimea anyway... so what? The West does evil sh*t like that all the time and it doesn't even get a mention on the news. Libya, Syria. All our fault.

We invaded Iraq and we didn't even have the filmiest of excuses for doing so. We're a lot more evil than Putin, Aaron. We're not even liberating ethnic Russians and deposing corrupt governments - we're just doing it to steal oil and set up failed satellite states.
  lsrailfan Minister for Railways

Location: Somewhere you're not
You need to understand something about invading and occupying a country - the citizens will usually resist with or without political leaders presence.

And you need to understand that particularly in the case of Ukraine it just isn't that simple.

Crimea for example is 80% Russian speaking and most people identified as ethnic Russian which is why Putin decided to take it back in 2014 after the coup.

About 14,000 civilians have been killed in the eastern regions like Donbass since 2014 - much of it the Ukranian government shelling and shooting their own people. There's been a lot of insurrection in those places conducted by Russian-backed rebels - Putin called them 'freedom fighters', Zelenskyy called them 'terrorists'.

It just isn't straightforward that the Ukrainian people are all going to reject the Russians as invaders - some will welcome them as liberators.

Someone is completely clueless, acording to your logic Germany should invade the likes of the Barossa Valley and claim it as its own.

They are mostly Russian because of past Rusification policies which saw Russia in former USSR move Russians into the non Russian states to force a change to one culture and language and in this area was high in Russians due to former soviet military installations including nuclear missle silo's and navy and airforce installations, any Ukrainain's there mostly left for fear over the last 7 years.

Don, follow your own policies and don't talk about other places, you are not there, you don't know. At least I've been to Ukraine and do business with Ukraine (well until two weeks back) .
LOL so using that logic then don't ever talk about Adelaide again - you've been here once. You know nothing about living here so don't ever comment again.

You should know better by now than to tangle with me, Shane. I research things, I post facts - you don't do any of those things mate.
don_dunstan
No you don't actually, you post dribble and tripe most of the time!! that's why you get your butt kicked so much!
  don_dunstan Oliver Bullied, CME

Location: Adelaide proud
LOL so using that logic then don't ever talk about Adelaide again - you've been here once. You know nothing about living here so don't ever comment again.

You should know better by now than to tangle with me, Shane. I research things, I post facts - you don't do any of those things mate.
No you don't actually, you post dribble and tripe most of the time!! that's why you get your butt kicked so much!
lsrailfan
I've got EVERYONE'S number here - including yours. I only have to say the words "bat sniffles" and you go into a conniption.
  lsrailfan Minister for Railways

Location: Somewhere you're not
LOL so using that logic then don't ever talk about Adelaide again - you've been here once. You know nothing about living here so don't ever comment again.

You should know better by now than to tangle with me, Shane. I research things, I post facts - you don't do any of those things mate.
No you don't actually, you post dribble and tripe most of the time!! that's why you get your butt kicked so much!
I've got EVERYONE'S number here - including yours. I only have to say the words "bat sniffles" and you go into a conniption.
don_dunstan
Now we know that you are not serious, but just here to troll, thank you!
  don_dunstan Oliver Bullied, CME

Location: Adelaide proud
I've got EVERYONE'S number here - including yours. I only have to say the words "bat sniffles" and you go into a conniption.
Now we know that you are not serious, but just here to troll, thank you!
lsrailfan
It WAS bat sniffles, you people were had. You listened to chronic hypochondriacs like Mark McGowan who actually got on a plane to NSW dressed like this because he was frightened of bat sniffles:



Insane. This is how they want you to live your life.

That ISN'T living.
  Aaron The Ghost of George Stephenson

Location: University of Adelaide SA
You post facts Don? So do I, here’s a fact for - you’re a farking idiot! My evidence? Yourself.

One of the biggest, and certainly fastest general population exits of a country in history. The direction they’re moving? West - which is notable for being not in the general direction of Russia.

If Russia are ‘liberating’ ethnic Russians (whom are actually ethnic Ukrainians - the Slavs originated in Ukraine) in the east of Ukraine, why the need to attempt to invade via another country and attempt to encircle the capital? Not many repressed Russians there, if they were, why didn’t they move east? If not to Russia, at least to one of the ‘majority’ Russian cities.

Don’t forget, we have moving picture footage of a Russian tank firing at a civilian in an apartment.
  don_dunstan Oliver Bullied, CME

Location: Adelaide proud
You post facts Don? So do I, here’s a fact for - you’re a farking idiot! My evidence? Yourself.

One of the biggest, and certainly fastest general population exits of a country in history. The direction they’re moving? West - which is notable for being not in the general direction of Russia.

If Russia are ‘liberating’ ethnic Russians (whom are actually ethnic Ukrainians - the Slavs originated in Ukraine) in the east of Ukraine, why the need to attempt to invade via another country and attempt to encircle the capital? Not many repressed Russians there, if they were, why didn’t they move east? If not to Russia, at least to one of the ‘majority’ Russian cities.

Don’t forget, we have moving picture footage of a Russian tank firing at a civilian in an apartment.
Aaron
Nup, the West is done, Aaron. We're too busy trying to figure out how to avoid a bat sniffle while not offending people with gender identity dysmorphia to fight wars. On nearly every single measure we're in decline.

All this is doing is expediting the setting up of an alternative financial and political system outside of the West and outside of the West's control - headed up by what is currently the world's greatest superpower - communist China.
  Aaron The Ghost of George Stephenson

Location: University of Adelaide SA
I've got EVERYONE'S number here - including yours. I only have to say the words "bat sniffles" and you go into a conniption.
Now we know that you are not serious, but just here to troll, thank you!
It WAS bat sniffles, you people were had. You listened to chronic hypochondriacs like Mark McGowan who actually got on a plane to NSW dressed like this because he was frightened of bat sniffles:



Insane. This is how they want you to live your life.

That ISN'T living.
don_dunstan
What’s going on in this image?

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McGowan looks like he’s doing just fine in comparison wouldn’t you say?
  don_dunstan Oliver Bullied, CME

Location: Adelaide proud
Your image doesn't work, mate.
  Sonofagunzel Minister for Railways

We're a lot more evil than Putin
don_dunstan
That part is demonstrably untrue.
  don_dunstan Oliver Bullied, CME

Location: Adelaide proud
We're a lot more evil than Putin
That part is demonstrably untrue.
Sonofagunzel
I dunno, I'm still pretty disgusted about what we did to Iraq for no apparent reason.
  Aaron The Ghost of George Stephenson

Location: University of Adelaide SA
You should know better by now than to tangle with me, Shane. I research things, I post facts - you don't do any of those things mate.
don_dunstan
You post conflations, not facts.

Do you know the difference between Zaporizhzhia and Chernobyl yet?

Have you worked out which non Ukrainian country Zelenskyy is in yet?
  don_dunstan Oliver Bullied, CME

Location: Adelaide proud
You should know better by now than to tangle with me, Shane. I research things, I post facts - you don't do any of those things mate.
You post conflations, not facts.

Do you know the difference between Zaporizhzhia and Chernobyl yet?

Have you worked out which non Ukrainian country Zelenskyy is in yet?
Aaron
I repeated what the China Daily said - didn't realise I was personally responsible for the veracity of the content of everything I post here.

And fix your link (above), I'm curious to see what silly point you were trying to make.
  RTT_Rules Oliver Bullied, CME

Location: Dubai UAE
LOL so using that logic then don't ever talk about Adelaide again - you've been here once. You know nothing about living here so don't ever comment again.

You should know better by now than to tangle with me, Shane. I research things, I post facts - you don't do any of those things mate.
don_dunstan
I've many to Adelaide alot more than once, which is infinitly more than you have been to Ukraine and know of Ukraine.

You resarch nothing but pure BS and more often than not you don't even read your own links as how many times I have quoted them back to you.

As for Adelaide, yes I saw you "agree" comment, but what did you agree to? SFA as I stated all before and you know that. So really it was just stupid to press Agree. You obviously had nothing of value to add to that thread.

When it comes to Ukraine, maybe for once just shut the ^#$$#$ up as your comments are clueless and insensitive.
  RTT_Rules Oliver Bullied, CME

Location: Dubai UAE
You post conflations, not facts.

Do you know the difference between Zaporizhzhia and Chernobyl yet?

Have you worked out which non Ukrainian country Zelenskyy is in yet?
I repeated what the China Daily said - didn't realise I was personally responsible for the veracity of the content of everything I post here.

To quote you
don_dunstan
To quote you!

"I research things, I post facts" Posted: Mon Mar 07, 2022 8:25 pm

"Not personally responsible for the content you post", Posted: Mon Mar 07, 2022 8:25 pm but you just said you research things.

So you research things? Sounds like you research SFA.

And seriously, you are referencing The China Daily? What next you are going to be quoting from RT?

Time to walk away from the thread you know nothing about!  The difference between you and Putin on the topic of Ukraine, Putin's trying to save face for his by offering a truce to hide his is long list of &*^&'ups on Ukraine.
  Aaron The Ghost of George Stephenson

Location: University of Adelaide SA
You should know better by now than to tangle with me, Shane. I research things, I post facts - you don't do any of those things mate.
You post conflations, not facts.

Do you know the difference between Zaporizhzhia and Chernobyl yet?

Have you worked out which non Ukrainian country Zelenskyy is in yet?
I repeated what the China Daily said - didn't realise I was personally responsible for the veracity of the content of everything I post here.

And fix your link (above), I'm curious to see what silly point you were trying to make.
don_dunstan
Link works for me.

Where’s your link to China Daily where they mistake Zaporizhzhia for Chernobyl? They didn’t do that, YOU DID IT - all on your lonesome.

I think Zaporizhzhia is Chernobyl, I post fake news and fiction from China Daily - you don't do any of those things mate.
“What Don meant to say”


Fixed for you!
  lsrailfan Minister for Railways

Location: Somewhere you're not
So Don, just how many state sanctioned killings has Scott Morrison ordered on his rivals??
  don_dunstan Oliver Bullied, CME

Location: Adelaide proud
LOL so using that logic then don't ever talk about Adelaide again - you've been here once. You know nothing about living here so don't ever comment again.

You should know better by now than to tangle with me, Shane. I research things, I post facts - you don't do any of those things mate.
I've many to Adelaide alot more than once, which is infinitly more than you have been to Ukraine and know of Ukraine.

You resarch nothing but pure BS and more often than not you don't even read your own links as how many times I have quoted them back to you.

As for Adelaide, yes I saw you "agree" comment, but what did you agree to? SFA as I stated all before and you know that. So really it was just stupid to press Agree. You obviously had nothing of value to add to that thread.

When it comes to Ukraine, maybe for once just shut the ^#$$#$ up as your comments are clueless and insensitive.
RTT_Rules
You can try pulling rank all you want by pretending you're the international man of mystery - it just makes me laugh how you think that gives you some kind of superior view of the world that the rest of us hill-billies in little old Australia don't have.

But by all means keep trying to impress me with your superior whatevers.
To quote you! "I research things, I post facts" Posted: Mon Mar 07, 2022 8:25 pm "Not personally responsible for the content you post", Posted: Mon Mar 07, 2022 8:25 pm but you just said you research things. So you research things? Sounds like you research SFA. And seriously, you are referencing The China Daily? What next you are going to be quoting from RT? Time to walk away from the thread you know nothing about! The difference between you and Putin on the topic of Ukraine, Putin's trying to save face for his by offering a truce to hide his is long list of &*^&'ups on Ukraine.
RTT_Rules
What I actually said was:
Russian media outlets are now banned in the West but Chinese Communist Party mouthpiece The People's Daily is saying that President Zelenskyy was airlifted to Poland earlier in the day after his Keyv digs were surrounded. If true then I can't imagine this war going on for much longer.
don_dunstan
So I was repeating a rumour that apparently isn't true - so what?
  don_dunstan Oliver Bullied, CME

Location: Adelaide proud
Link works for me.

Where’s your link to China Daily where they mistake Zaporizhzhia for Chernobyl? They didn’t do that, YOU DID IT - all on your lonesome.
Aaron
We were talking about two different things. Not my fault that you lack the cognitive capacity to distinguish them from each other.
  lsrailfan Minister for Railways

Location: Somewhere you're not
LOL so using that logic then don't ever talk about Adelaide again - you've been here once. You know nothing about living here so don't ever comment again.

You should know better by now than to tangle with me, Shane. I research things, I post facts - you don't do any of those things mate.
I've many to Adelaide alot more than once, which is infinitly more than you have been to Ukraine and know of Ukraine.

You resarch nothing but pure BS and more often than not you don't even read your own links as how many times I have quoted them back to you.

As for Adelaide, yes I saw you "agree" comment, but what did you agree to? SFA as I stated all before and you know that. So really it was just stupid to press Agree. You obviously had nothing of value to add to that thread.

When it comes to Ukraine, maybe for once just shut the ^#$$#$ up as your comments are clueless and insensitive.
You can try pulling rank all you want by pretending you're the international man of mystery - it just makes me laugh how you think that gives you some kind of superior view of the world that the rest of us hill-billies in little old Australia don't have.

But by all means keep trying to impress me with your superior whatevers.
To quote you! "I research things, I post facts" Posted: Mon Mar 07, 2022 8:25 pm "Not personally responsible for the content you post", Posted: Mon Mar 07, 2022 8:25 pm but you just said you research things. So you research things? Sounds like you research SFA. And seriously, you are referencing The China Daily? What next you are going to be quoting from RT? Time to walk away from the thread you know nothing about! The difference between you and Putin on the topic of Ukraine, Putin's trying to save face for his by offering a truce to hide his is long list of &*^&'ups on Ukraine.
What I actually said was:
Russian media outlets are now banned in the West but Chinese Communist Party mouthpiece The People's Daily is saying that President Zelenskyy was airlifted to Poland earlier in the day after his Keyv digs were surrounded. If true then I can't imagine this war going on for much longer.
So I was repeating a rumour that apparently isn't true - so what?
don_dunstan
well then DON'T repeat it, got it???
  don_dunstan Oliver Bullied, CME

Location: Adelaide proud
well then DON'T repeat it, got it???
lsrailfan
Sorry but I don't take orders from you.
  RTT_Rules Oliver Bullied, CME

Location: Dubai UAE
You can try pulling rank all you want by pretending you're the international man of mystery - it just makes me laugh how you think that gives you some kind of superior view of the world that the rest of us hill-billies in little old Australia don't have.

But by all means keep trying to impress me with your superior whatevers.
What I actually said was:
So I was repeating a rumour that apparently isn't true - so what?
don_dunstan
Not pulling rank. You are the one talking complete crap about a war for which you clearly know nothing about, then defending your ignorance.

While at the same time you claim you do your research, but then on the very same day reference a poorly put together article by of all things the China Daily without doing any fact checking because basically yuou never do, meanwhile on every other day of the week your attack anything Chinese.  How many times have I thrown back at you excerts from links you post. You all too often don't even read your our references or links.

"isn't true - so what?"

If anyone else said this, you'd be up there smeg faster than a proctologist trying to break the record in the Guiness Book of records doing rectal exms.
  lsrailfan Minister for Railways

Location: Somewhere you're not
You can try pulling rank all you want by pretending you're the international man of mystery - it just makes me laugh how you think that gives you some kind of superior view of the world that the rest of us hill-billies in little old Australia don't have.

But by all means keep trying to impress me with your superior whatevers.
What I actually said was:
So I was repeating a rumour that apparently isn't true - so what?
Not pulling rank. You are the one talking complete crap about a war for which you clearly know nothing about, then defending your ignorance.

While at the same time you claim you do your research, but then on the very same day reference a poorly put together article by of all things the China Daily without doing any fact checking because basically yuou never do, meanwhile on every other day of the week your attack anything Chinese.  How many times have I thrown back at you excerts from links you post. You all too often don't even read your our references or links.

"isn't true - so what?"

If anyone else said this, you'd be up there smeg faster than a proctologist trying to break the record in the Guiness Book of records doing rectal exms.
RTT_Rules
Don's just a communist, straight out of the CCP, no wonder he swallowed that crap about the war being over, O-V-A-H!
  Aaron The Ghost of George Stephenson

Location: University of Adelaide SA
Link works for me.

Where’s your link to China Daily where they mistake Zaporizhzhia for Chernobyl? They didn’t do that, YOU DID IT - all on your lonesome.
We were talking about two different things. Not my fault that you lack the cognitive capacity to distinguish them from each other.
don_dunstan
I lack cognitive capacity to distinguish?

So it’s the rest of our fault that you lack the cognitive ability to read the thread title?

So it’s the rest of our fault that you lack the cognitive ability to read the article posted?

The limit of your cognitive ability seems limited to commenting ‘fake news’ on an article that was true.

You didn’t have the cognition to note the thread title, you lacked the cognition to read the article, and you lacked the cognition to realise that Chernobyl was hardly likely to be described as ‘Europe’s biggest nuclear plant’ - a title it never held.

Then you claim the ‘source’ of your claims that Zelenskyy had left was China Daily? Research? You idiot.



Yeah Don, you do research alright…

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