The China Problem

 
Topic moved from The Lounge by dthead on 17 Feb 2022 16:40
  Carnot Minister for Railways

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  don_dunstan Oliver Bullied, CME

Location: Adelaide proud
China is in talks with Kiribati and at least one other un-named Pacific nation in order to establish a military presence there according to the British Financial Times.

Kiribati is exactly halfway between Australia and Hawaii so it would certainly extend their reach into the Pacific if they manage to have a presence there - officially termed 'civilian port' but in reality a military base the same as the Solomons.

Penny Wong has apparently refused to comment on that specifically when asked but instead said she was looking forward to visiting those nations and forming a constructive relationship with them on climate change - from the Guardian:

Shortly after being sworn in as foreign affairs minister in Canberra on Monday, Wong recorded a video message addressed to Pacific island leaders.

In it, she said the new Australian government “knows that nothing is more central to the security and wellbeing of the Pacific than climate change”.

“We have heard the Pacific and we will act – standing shoulder to shoulder with the Pacific as we address the climate crisis,” Wong said in the video.

No comment about China's aggressive push to construct bases in the Pacific?
  Carnot Minister for Railways

China plans to control the Pacific and Indian Oceans.  All going to plan.

Also worth noting that Pakistan have said recently that any attack on China will be seen as an attack on Pakistan.  Are they trying to start a war with India again?
  Carnot Minister for Railways
  Carnot Minister for Railways

Big hack of Chinese police database and the accompanying report is chilling.  Quite extraordinary:
  don_dunstan Oliver Bullied, CME

Location: Adelaide proud
Big hack of Chinese police database and the accompanying report is chilling.  Quite extraordinary:
Carnot
Our new Deputy PM Richard Marles says that China has an exemplary human rights record - so you must be mistaken.
  michaelgm Chief Commissioner

Big hack of Chinese police database and the accompanying report is chilling.  Quite extraordinary:
Our new Deputy PM Richard Marles says that China has an exemplary human rights record - so you must be mistaken.
don_dunstan
Hopefully, a new government can open and maintain a dialogue with China. Will be a difficult path to walk. They have always engaged in the long game.
A common reference I’ve heard of late is China being forward leaning. A term designed not be offensive, saving face.
Ironically, the CCP, is easily offended. Interesting times.
  don_dunstan Oliver Bullied, CME

Location: Adelaide proud
Big hack of Chinese police database and the accompanying report is chilling.  Quite extraordinary:
Our new Deputy PM Richard Marles says that China has an exemplary human rights record - so you must be mistaken.
Hopefully, a new government can open and maintain a dialogue with China. Will be a difficult path to walk. They have always engaged in the long game.
A common reference I’ve heard of late is China being forward leaning. A term designed not be offensive, saving face.
Ironically, the CCP, is easily offended. Interesting times.
michaelgm
They're very, very easily offended. And you can bet your bottom dollar that they'll try on all the same tricks with Albanese as they did with Morrison... they wouldn't even talk to any minister for the last eighteen months. What are you supposed to do when a whole nation behaves like a jilted lover?
  don_dunstan Oliver Bullied, CME

Location: Adelaide proud
As expected, China have signed an agreement with Samoa to build a police training centre - SBS;

A press release from the Samoan government confirmed that Chinese Foreign Minister Wang Yi and Samoan Prime Minister Fiame Naomi Mata'afa had met and discussed "climate change, the pandemic and peace and security".

Documents that were signed included the Exchange of Letters for the Fingerprint laboratory for Police, the Handover Certificate for the completed Arts & Culture Centre, and the Economic & Technical Cooperation Agreement for projects to be determined and mutually agreed between the two countries.

Local media were invited to witness the signing of a deal, but no questions were taken.

The release said that China would continue to provide infrastructural development support to various Samoan sectors and there would be a new framework for future projects "to be determined and mutually agreed".

"Samoa and the People's Republic of China will continue to pursue greater collaboration that will deliver on joint interests and commitments," the release said.

Solomon Islands Foreign Minister Jeremiah Manele said the agreement includes discussions about China establishing a police training centre.
  Carnot Minister for Railways

And it resulted in damage to the engines of the RAAF P.8.

CCP are trying to gauge reaction of the new Govt tbh.
Ie. How soft will Albo and Wong be, or not?

  ANR Chief Commissioner

And it resulted in damage to the engines of the RAAF P.8.

CCP are trying to gauge reaction of the new Govt tbh.
Ie. How soft will Albo and Wong be, or not?

Why not equip the P8s with a 30mm GAU-8 Avenger cannon?
  justarider Chief Commissioner

Location: Released again, maybe for the last time??
And it resulted in damage to the engines of the RAAF P.8.

CCP are trying to gauge reaction of the new Govt tbh.
Ie. How soft will Albo and Wong be, or not?


Why not equip the P8s with a 30mm GAU-8 Avenger cannon?
ANR
A bit extreme.

However the P8 have extensive radio capabilities.
Just broadcast the recent most banned (by China) music on all chanels so that the pilot and his controllers cannot avoid hearing.

The worse pop songs, the better.

cheers
John
  Mr. Lane Chief Commissioner

It's P-8 not P8 or P.8 as per the US 1962 Tri-Service designation system.

I assume it was a joke, but you will never see a GAU-8 fit on the P-8. I am not sure where it would even fit.
  Carnot Minister for Railways

It's P-8 not P8 or P.8 as per the US 1962 Tri-Service designation system.

I assume it was a joke, but you will never see a GAU-8 fit on the P-8. I am not sure where it would even fit.
Mr. Lane
Interestingly the Lockheed Neptune Maritime Patrol aircraft that the RAAF used before the P-3 Orion could be had with twin machine guns in the nose turret, although the RAAF didn't fit these.  They did have bombs, torpedoes, mines and depth charges; and Eight 12.7 cm (5 in) rockets under the wings.  Versatile and deadly!
  Mr. Lane Chief Commissioner

It's P-8 not P8 or P.8 as per the US 1962 Tri-Service designation system.

I assume it was a joke, but you will never see a GAU-8 fit on the P-8. I am not sure where it would even fit.
Interestingly the Lockheed Neptune Maritime Patrol aircraft that the RAAF used before the P-3 Orion could be had with twin machine guns in the nose turret, although the RAAF didn't fit these.  They did have bombs, torpedoes, mines and depth charges; and Eight 12.7 cm (5 in) rockets under the wings.  Versatile and deadly!
Carnot
The P-3 could also carry a large variety of weapons including unguided bombs and rockets, torpedoes, depth charges, mines, but importantly also later gained the Harpoon and SLAM cruise missiles and the short range Maverick missile. No guns though.

Guns, bombs and rockets were made obsolete for the anti-submarine role by both the advent of nuclear submarines which don't need to surface and the development of missiles like the AGM-84 Harpoon, which can be used against ships and surfaced submarines from much greater distances.

The P-2 Neptune and P-3 Orions were fine aircraft for the time, but were also developed in the era when anti-submarine and maritime patrol missions were still flown at low level, often using Magnetic Anomaly Detection (MAD), hence the piston and turboprop engines respectively, which are efficient at low altitudes.

Today sub hunting has changed and can be done from higher altitudes. There is a much higher reliance on very sensitive active and passive sonobouys to detect submarines by sound and the P-8 does not have a MAD capability as standard. The problem with flying at low level is that the horizon/curvature of the earth obscures the reach of radar and optical sensors and as such the P-8 is designed to operate at medium altitude and use its long range sensors and standoff weapons.

The P-8 today can already drop torpedoes and fire Harpoon like the P-3 and will be gaining JDAM (GPS guided bomb) and QuickStrike mine laying capability and it is to receive the capability to fire the AGM-158C LRASM...this is a big deal as LRASM is a long-range stealth anti-shipping cruise missile that the RAAF is procuring and looking to build locally for the F-18F Super Hornets. If the RAAF P-8s gain this missile it gives the RAAF a very long range anti-shipping punch.

Furthermore the AGM-158C LRASM was developed from the land-attack AGM-158B JASSM-ER which the RAAF is also acquiring for the Super Hornet. If this is integrated into the P-8 it effectively turns the P-8 into a long range strategic bomber.
  don_dunstan Oliver Bullied, CME

Location: Adelaide proud
China starts building a new naval base in Cambodia - Radio Free Asia;

A ground-breaking ceremony got underway on Wednesday morning at the Ream Naval Base in Cambodia for a Chinese-assisted development project that is causing serious concerns to the U.S. and allies.

Pro-[Cambodian]government site Fresh News, which broadcast the event live, said Cambodian defense minister Tea Banh and Chinese ambassador Wang Wentian presided over the ceremony. They later went swimming together at a nearby beach, Tea Banh's Facebook page showed.

"Cambodia wants to enhance its defense capacity for self-defense to secure peace, security and propensity and to be able to contribute building regional peace and the world,” Tea Banh said.

According to the publicly announced plan, China will help Cambodia to renovate and upgrade some facilities at Ream, including constructing two new piers, a dry dock and a slipway, a hospital and several other buildings.

China will also assist the Cambodian Royal Navy to repair some of its old ships and dredge navigation lanes to allow medium-sized vessels to access the base.

How nice of China to help out its neighbours like - I wonder what they want in return?
  don_dunstan Oliver Bullied, CME

Location: Adelaide proud
Wasn't sure where to post this and intitially posted it in the Russia/Ukraine thread by mistake (which is patently the wrong place for it!), then finally realised we already had a thread about China...

One of China's most popular internet stars shut down by censors over this image - ABC;



For Austin Li's millions of fans, the evening of June 3 started like any of his other live stream sales events on Taobao, the biggest e-commerce platform in China.

On this particular night, he was selling an ice cream believed to be Viennetta, an iconic and beloved Australian sweet.

As traffic peaked on the live stream, Li's staff member presented the ice cream adorned with what appeared to be five Oreo cookies, a Ferrero chocolate and a chocolate roll.

The cake was curiously shaped like an armoured tank.

As Li's co-host took the plate from the staff, Li looked at the cake, smiling.

All of a sudden, the stream was switched off.

It isn't known if he'll ever be coming back - the cake was apparently a reference to the Tienanmen Square massacre, the anniversary of which was the day after. They're a bit sensitive about that and he's probably ruined his career being seen with that cake.
  Carnot Minister for Railways

The ABC has become an arm of the CCP.  Defund them if they tow the CCP line:
  Carnot Minister for Railways

Daniel Suidani is quite heroic in standing up to China. I've been to this region in the past, and hopefully they continue to stand firm against the tyrannical CCP and their influence.

Solomon Islands's pact with China made international headlines, but one island — led by one man — is saying no
https://www.abc.net.au/news/2022-07-11/solomon-islands-china-deal-malaita-province-resistance/101223756
  Carnot Minister for Railways

And now the Solomon Islands bans Australian Aid workers from the country.  China is absolutely dictating terms and I would expect a full-blown Chinese military base to be in place there within the next year or two.

Things are not going well for Albo and Wong.  Totally railroaded.  Albo and Wong will soon be regarded in the same vein as Neville Chamberlain if things don't turn around.

  The Vinelander Minister for Railways

Location: Ballan, Victoria on the Ballarat Line
You're going to have to do better than SkyNews if you want any credibility in your postings. There's nothing about this in the latest Age online update.

Looks very much at this point like far right dog whistling to me.

You realise of course that sensationalism by the far right commentators is well known, expected even and is often called out by the mainstream media.

Mike.
  Carnot Minister for Railways

You're going to have to do better than SkyNews if you want any credibility in your postings. There's nothing about this in the latest Age online update.

Looks very much at this point like far right dog whistling to me.

You realise of course that sensationalism by the far right commentators is well known, expected even and is often called out by the mainstream media.

Mike.
The Vinelander
It's not dog-whistling.  I'm sure many lefties in Australia would welcome the CCP into this country with bouquets and platitudes like Mr Sogavare is.

The ABC report above is well worth a read - a credit to them for putting reporters on-the-ground.

I would love to know your view on the genocidal maniacs in the CCP dictating our politics, financing, and infrastructure development.  Genuine question.
  michaelgm Chief Commissioner

And now the Solomon Islands bans Australian Aid workers from the country.  China is absolutely dictating terms and I would expect a full-blown Chinese military base to be in place there within the next year or two.

Things are not going well for Albo and Wong.  Totally railroaded.  Albo and Wong will soon be regarded in the same vein as Neville Chamberlain if things don't turn around.

Carnot
Yes, expect a base in Solomons.
Albo and Wong, railroaded? How? They been in government for eight weeks. At the very least they’ve established a dialogue.
The events described above, would be no different if Morrison and Co were re-elected.
Not offering a solution, not sure there is one. CCP always playing a long game. Taiwan being the immediate prize. Subsequently who knows.
  Carnot Minister for Railways

Some options could be:
1) Regime change from external military action - probably a last resort action tbh and it attacks the Sovereignty of the Solomons.
2) Regime change via military coup - risky, but an action instigated from within the Solomons is better.
3) ???

Watch Sri Lanka.  It's a country that signed up to Belt and Road and look at the monumental mess it's in.   I hope the Solomons don't end up the same.  I fear they might.
  don_dunstan Oliver Bullied, CME

Location: Adelaide proud
Some options could be:
1) Regime change from external military action - probably a last resort action tbh and it attacks the Sovereignty of the Solomons.
2) Regime change via military coup - risky, but an action instigated from within the Solomons is better.
3) ???

Watch Sri Lanka.  It's a country that signed up to Belt and Road and look at the monumental mess it's in.   I hope the Solomons don't end up the same.  I fear they might.
Carnot
I'm fully expecting the CCP to come to the rescue and use it as an opportunity to further entrench their presence - particularly military presence - in that region.

Encouraging or supporting any action to displace Sogavare will be viewed as a hostile action by the CCP now that he's firmly demonstrated where his loyalties lie, they'll get very sore at us if we actively try and unseat one of their proxies.

I think things have been ratcheting up for a long time and they're going to get really firm about what we can and can't do.

Incidentally, given that Sri Lanka are now bankrupt - what happened to our fifty million that we only just gave them!

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