You do realise that only 30% chose to vote 1 Labor?

Labor won because people voted Labor 2 or 3.

A good solid base to increase Labor's vote in 2025.

M.

You do realise that only 30% chose to vote 1 Labor?

Labor won because people voted Labor 2 or 3.

A good solid base to increase Labor's vote in 2025.

M.

At the rate things are going, it'll be an ALP/LNP coalition that will struggle to get 50% combined at the next Federal Election.

You do realise that only 30% chose to vote 1 Labor?

Labor won because people voted Labor 2 or 3.

A good solid base to increase Labor's vote in 2025.

M.

At the rate things are going, it'll be an ALP/LNP coalition that will struggle to get 50% combined at the next Federal Election.

Lowest Labor primary vote since 1910 (or something?). When you think about it, not a convincing win at all really.

At the rate things are going, it'll be an ALP/LNP coalition that will struggle to get 50% combined at the next Federal Election.

Pretty sure the ALP and the LNP will never go into coalition with each other, especially with the Liberals moving to the right. The whole reason the Liberal party was created was to oppose the ALP. If they go into coalition, they have no reason to exist.

More likely the Liberals are heading for a split like the ALP/DLP split of 1955.

You do realise that only 30% chose to vote 1 Labor?

Labor won because people voted Labor 2 or 3.

A good solid base to increase Labor's vote in 2025.

M.

At the rate things are going, it'll be an ALP/LNP coalition that will struggle to get 50% combined at the next Federal Election.

At the rate things are going it will be more like ALP/LNP (or ALLNP) + the Greens + Katter + Pauline + Clive + JLN + LDP + SFFP + IMOP + Federal ICAC now (or never ... again?) + Centre Alliance + IAPA + and others could form a coalition to beat TEAL the next time around and stop Mal from becoming PM again.....

At the rate things are going, it'll be an ALP/LNP coalition that will struggle to get 50% combined at the next Federal Election.

Pretty sure the ALP and the LNP will never go into coalition with each other, especially with the Liberals moving to the right. The whole reason the Liberal party was created was to oppose the ALP. If they go into coalition, they have no reason to exist.

More likely the Liberals are heading for a split like the ALP/DLP split of 1955.

Haven't the ultra-lefty bit of the party already left for the Teals?

At the rate things are going it will be more like ALP/LNP (or ALLNP) + the Greens + Katter + Pauline + Clive + JLN + LDP + SFFP + IMOP + Federal ICAC now (or never ... again?) + Centre Alliance + IAPA + and others could form a coalition to beat TEAL the next time around and stop Mal from becoming PM again.....

Mal could head up the Teal Party but I've got a feeling that he might not get along with Simon Holmes a'Court.

I still can't work out what exactly it is that the Teals stand for apart from "moar windmills for Simon's empire".

I read a comment that a plausible reason why the ALP's primary vote was down was because ALP voters placed teal candidates as number 1 in the seats the ALP had no chance of winning, which were generally blue ribbon Liberal seats.

You do realise that only 30% chose to vote 1 Labor?

Labor won because people voted Labor 2 or 3.

A good solid base to increase Labor's vote in 2025.

M.

At the rate things are going, it'll be an ALP/LNP coalition that will struggle to get 50% combined at the next Federal Election.

Lowest Labor primary vote since 1910 (or something?). When you think about it, not a convincing win at all really.

Certainly wasn’t a convincing win for labor, conversely it was a convincing loss for the LNP.

Haven't the ultra-lefty bit of the party already left for the Teals?

I am not sure how many Teals were former Liberal party members, but I suspect not many?

There is a factional split between moderate conservatives and the right wing in the Liberal party though, this has been very clearly playing out for years and will probably come to a head now.

There is much suggestion that women also have turned away from the Liberal party in this election and I suspect that is true, combined with the fact that many of the electorates where the Teals ran have had gradual demographic shifts taking place, in part because of the large number of property developments that have been going on.

There are a LOT of 20 and 30 something professional women living in areas like Hawthorn and Kew. Sunday morning they are all out meeting at cafes sipping lattes in their butt hugging activewear after finishing up a yoga class. I can't see a reason for many of them to vote for old conservatives dudes and they aren't remotely interested in coal or deficits. Apathy from the Liberal party about sexual assault in the parliament probably doesn't go down well though.

There is no coincidence that most of the Teals are women.

The unpopular Inland seats are mostly National …

Seats that the ALP might want to think about winning, if they want more than one seat's worth of breathing room next time around.

Under previous ALP, the project moved ahead …

I think you have the dates mixed up.

It was the government in office from the 2013 election to the 2016 election which created the Inland Rail Implementation Group in November 2013, commissioned the business case in March 2014, committed the first round of grant funding (for pre-construction activities) in the 2014-15 budget, and selected the 2025 delivery timescale in late 2015.

This was the first term of the Coalition government with Tony Abbott and Malcolm Turnbull as the PMs, not the last term of the Rudd-Gillard-Rudd ALP governments.

Not sure about TWU …

They are the patrons of Richard Marles, the new Deputy Prime Minister.

Haven't the ultra-lefty bit of the party already left for the Teals?

I am not sure how many Teals were former Liberal party members, but I suspect not many?

There is a factional split between moderate conservatives and the right wing in the Liberal party though, this has been very clearly playing out for years and will probably come to a head now.

There is much suggestion that women also have turned away from the Liberal party in this election and I suspect that is true, combined with the fact that many of the electorates where the Teals ran have had gradual demographic shifts taking place, in part because of the large number of property developments that have been going on.

There are a LOT of 20 and 30 something professional women living in areas like Hawthorn and Kew. Sunday morning they are all out meeting at cafes sipping lattes in their butt hugging activewear after finishing up a yoga class. I can't see a reason for many of them to vote for old conservatives dudes and they aren't remotely interested in coal or deficits. Apathy from the Liberal party about sexual assault in the parliament probably doesn't go down well though.

There is no coincidence that most of the Teals are women.

As far as I'm aware ALL of the Teals who nominated were women, I think Simon Holmes a'Court did that deliberately. The chattering classes...

The LNP have lost a significant amount of their appeal to their traditional electorates, no doubt about that, but the Labor Party did too - just not on the same kind of scale. As justapassenger points out, the ALP need to think seriously about what they're going to do to attract voters back to their party given that they're like to have only one or two seats majority.

The main message from this thing is that people aren't happy with the status quo and they want change - it's very difficult for anyone not born into a wealthy family to have any hope of economic participation in this country's success (in terms of home ownership) and I think that was a big factor driving the desire to vote for anyone but the two major parties.

One other thing, Barnaby Joyce was on the TV the other day saying what a wonderful result it was for the National Party because they didn't lose a single seat. That man is an idiot - the LNP had their worst result in terms of two-party preferred since 1949 - his coalition partners failed miserably and he thinks that doesn't reflect on him? He won't be on Deputy Prime Minister money for the rest of his political career, that's for sure.

Dr Monique Ryan seems to think her own image is 'iconic' -



I wonder if its occurred to her that now she's an MP she has to actually do something for her win to be remembered favourably?

Dr Monique Ryan seems to think her own image is 'iconic' -

I wonder if its occurred to her that now she's an MP she has to actually do something for her win to be remembered favourably?

The Narcissism is off-the-charts.

It's an Instagram and Melbourne Writers Festival mash-up...

The main message from this thing is that people aren't happy with the status quo and they want change - it's very difficult for anyone not born into a wealthy family to have any hope of economic participation in this country's success (in terms of home ownership) and I think that was a big factor driving the desire to vote for anyone but the two major parties.

100%

Both major parties lost the support of the electorate at this election. The ALP shouldn't really consider this a victory of their own, they pretty much won by default.

Haven't the ultra-lefty bit of the party already left for the Teals?

I am not sure how many Teals were former Liberal party members, but I suspect not many?

There is a factional split between moderate conservatives and the right wing in the Liberal party though, this has been very clearly playing out for years and will probably come to a head now.

There is much suggestion that women also have turned away from the Liberal party in this election and I suspect that is true, combined with the fact that many of the electorates where the Teals ran have had gradual demographic shifts taking place, in part because of the large number of property developments that have been going on.

There are a LOT of 20 and 30 something professional women living in areas like Hawthorn and Kew. Sunday morning they are all out meeting at cafes sipping lattes in their butt hugging activewear after finishing up a yoga class. I can't see a reason for many of them to vote for old conservatives dudes and they aren't remotely interested in coal or deficits. Apathy from the Liberal party about sexual assault in the parliament probably doesn't go down well though.

There is no coincidence that most of the Teals are women.

Totally agree. If you are a professional or at least politically Right leaning young female, why would you vote for LNP?

Have to wonder how many supporters thare are for TA type politics? I would have thought the majority of mainstream LNP voters want Medicare, climate action, RE etcs.

I could be wrong but the Teals mostly looked politically slightly right of centre professional women with a green tinge. Bit like Zaggil.

The main message from this thing is that people aren't happy with the status quo and they want change - it's very difficult for anyone not born into a wealthy family to have any hope of economic participation in this country's success (in terms of home ownership) and I think that was a big factor driving the desire to vote for anyone but the two major parties.

100%

Both major parties lost the support of the electorate at this election. The ALP shouldn't really consider this a victory of their own, they pretty much won by default.

Absolutely. It was a LNP loss, not an ALP win, the huge Teal vote, the 1.6% loss in ALP primary vote shows they were not the party of choice.

ALP will struggle to get to 76 seats, a more fragile position than LNP at start of the last term.

It was clear SCOMO was unpopular and had to go, but LNP also had too much baggage to survive another reboot.

2025 will prove to be very interesting.

The unpopular Inland seats are mostly National …

Seats that the ALP might want to think about winning, if they want more than one seat's worth of breathing room next time around.

Under previous ALP, the project moved ahead …

I think you have the dates mixed up.

It was the government in office from the 2013 election to the 2016 election which created the Inland Rail Implementation Group in November 2013, commissioned the business case in March 2014, committed the first round of grant funding (for pre-construction activities) in the 2014-15 budget, and selected the 2025 delivery timescale in late 2015.

This was the first term of the Coalition government with Tony Abbott and Malcolm Turnbull as the PMs, not the last term of the Rudd-Gillard-Rudd ALP governments.

Not sure about TWU …

They are the patrons of Richard Marles, the new Deputy Prime Minister.

No quite.

The Inland timing was even back in Howard years mid 2020's are writen by ARTC.

Rudd funded a ARTC report which was issued in 2010.

Gillard funded $300m in 2011 to be funded from the 2014 budget, supported by Abbott on election..

Under previous ALP, the project moved ahead …

I think you have the dates mixed up.

It was the government in office from the 2013 election to the 2016 election which created the Inland Rail Implementation Group in November 2013, commissioned the business case in March 2014, committed the first round of grant funding (for pre-construction activities) in the 2014-15 budget, and selected the 2025 delivery timescale in late 2015.

This was the first term of the Coalition government with Tony Abbott and Malcolm Turnbull as the PMs, not the last term of the Rudd-Gillard-Rudd ALP governments.

No quite.

The Inland timing was even back in Howard years mid 2020's are writen by ARTC.

Rudd funded a ARTC report which was issued in 2010.

Gillard funded $300m in 2011 to be funded from the 2014 budget, supported by Abbott on election..

Making promises to allocate some funding at some point in the future (specifically, some point beyond the end of the electoral cycle at the time) is the very antithesis of committing to the project.

The Rudd/Gillard government knew quite well that promises of future funding for rail projects could be withdrawn (because they had previously done exactly that) so they should have gotten started on it in the 2011 budget so there was something to show for their so-called “commitment” before the 2013 landslide ejected them from office.

There is a huge difference between a report talking about it being possible to build by the mid 2020s and the late 2015 decision by the Turnbull government (source: the Auditor-General's report into the pre-construction phase) to go ahead with starting the project and committing to that timeframe. Between the lost years before the project was given the green light and the reluctance of all parties involved to start any measurable progress on the heavy lifting, 2025 is no longer a realistic delivery schedule.

The sum of all this? The new ALP government is starting from zero (at best) so far as their credibility on Inland Rail goes, and can only be judged on what they actually do about it from now on.

Albanese is going to be the worst Labor government since Scullin - they'll crash and burn in record time. The LNP will be really glad that they didn't win government given the huge crash in Western economies that's befelling us right now - mark my words.

Albanese is going to be the worst Labor government since Scullin - they'll crash and burn in record time. The LNP will be really glad that they didn't win government given the huge crash in Western economies that's befelling us right now - mark my words.

More doom and gloom navel gazing.

You're so glass half empty...I bet the party dies rapidly whenever you arrive, and you're never invited to another.

M.

Albanese is going to be the worst Labor government since Scullin - they'll crash and burn in record time. The LNP will be really glad that they didn't win government given the huge crash in Western economies that's befelling us right now - mark my words.

More doom and gloom navel gazing.

You're so glass half empty...I bet the party dies rapidly whenever you arrive, and you're never invited to another.

M.

You're supposed to be the one doing the counter-point that Albanese is wonderful given your love of all things lefty - instead all you have is a personal whinge about another poster.

David Llewellyn-Smith writing for News Ltd points out that our new Treasurer Jim Chalmers has squibbed the opportunity to make domestic gas cheaper for Australians and instead has left things as they are:

The biggest problem confronting the Albanese government is one of its own makings. It is the extraordinary energy price shock hammering the east coast economy.

Ever since the Ukraine war, global oil and gas prices have skyrocketed. We’re all feeling that at the petrol pump. What is perhaps less known by Aussies is that the Australian gas price has followed suit...

...But then what happens to it is beyond all hope and reason. Three-quarters of it is shipped to China as LNG at $31Gj, $4Gj cheaper than it is sold locally.

This is the crazy world of the east coast gas export cartel that deliberately starves the local market of gas to force prices up at home, while also forcing down prices for China.

To add insult to injury, the gas cartel pays no tax for doing so, and in the final kicker for every person east of WA, drives up the electricity prices because gas-fired power stations set the marginal cost in that market as well.

To put it bluntly, every Australian east of the WA border is currently being forced to pay a massive and spiking energy tax that will drive up the cost of absolutely everything. WA is OK because it has a domestic gas reservation policy so its local price is under $6Gj!

And we are doing this as a subsidy for the Chinese economy even as that country is doing all sorts of economic and geopolitical harm to Australia in return.

There is a very simple solution to this curious form of cost-of-living self-abuse. It is called the Australian Domestic Gas Reservation Mechanism (ADGSM).

Installed by Malcolm Turnbull when the local gas price was a measly $20Gj in 2017, it is a contract with the cartel that forces it to leave more gas here so that the local price crashes to acceptable prices around $7Gj.

Yet, with this Heads of Agreement already in place, with the trigger ready to pull, with the cost of living crisis in full swing and being severely exacerbated by the energy inflation shock, Labor’s new Treasurer Jim Chalmers has already declared that “electricity prices are the pointy end of the cost-of-living crisis” but says he will rely instead upon measures to boost renewables to bring down prices.

Chalmers is dreaming if he thinks this is the solution - we need cost-of-living relief right now, not in several years time IF and WHEN renewables bring down the price of electricity. And what a ridiculous situation that almost no tax or excise is paid on this export gas (less than a billion dollars) when our next export LNG competitor (Qatar) rakes in $26 billion in taxes from its export of gas in 2021? We're being ripped off with higher prices and we're not even collecting proper tax revenue from it.

Labor can stop the rip-off of Australian energy resources right now but instead they've already proven themselves just as beholden to the gas cartel as the LNP was.

Labor is apparently thinking about appointing Andrew Wilkie as Speaker of the House - but it depends on how many seats they actually end up with.

Presently still sitting one seat short of a majority.

David Llewellyn-Smith writing for News Ltd points out that our new Treasurer Jim Chalmers has squibbed the opportunity to make domestic gas cheaper for Australians and instead has left things as they are:


Labor can stop the rip-off of Australian energy resources right now but instead they've already proven themselves just as beholden to the gas cartel as the LNP was.

Sorry @don. The ALP treasurer can NOT stop this blatant rip off.

Another complete balls up by that masterful banker Malcolm Turnbull.

The ADGSM has never been triggered.

The trigger is a supply SHORTAGE. There is no shortage, so no trigger, and the "agreement" does not stipulate a price when supply is OK.

So all the gas cartel has to do is ensure local demand is satisfied and then they can charge what they like.
The rub is of course, the higher the price then the lower the demand.  Another fine poison pill, thanks MT.

To be seen whether the new govt can cobble enough support to legislate a sensible mechanism, such as Qatar.
The LNP Senators would have conniptions, let alone a lawyers picnic.

cheers
John

If Wilkie is to be the new speaker, I would approve of it, I personally think that ALL speakers from now on should be a non ALP/LNP person but an independent, as they are generally seen as having un-bias rulings.

I still remember when Bishop was the speaker of the house, probably the most bias and partisan speaker of the house this country has ever had!