Murray Basin standardisation

 
  bevans Site Admin

Location: Melbourne, Australia
LOL- I guess I meant it might take as long as 37 years to complete (sort of/in some way/with bits/left out/put in/changed/rescoped/upgraded/high vis......
Tii

Totally Shameful.  Highlights to me how rail is considered a secondary joke by this government.

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  Djebel Chief Train Controller

Hmmmm....
https://vic.nationals.org.au/media-releases/ministers-excuses-leave-murray-basin-rail-project-under-a-fresh-cloud-of-doubt/

The PAEC website hasn't released the transcript yet for the June 6th stoush, but I'm sure it'll be juicy.
https://www.parliament.vic.gov.au/paec/article/4880
a saga that will run as long as Neighbours.
But that's about to finish. I hear the last episode is will be screened in September.
LOL- I guess I meant it might take as long as 37 years to complete (sort of/in some way/with bits/left out/put in/changed/rescoped/upgraded/high vis......
Tii
If it's going to take 37 years, and be just as rubbish as Neighbours -- then please -- just put it out of all our miseries and close the whole Murray Basin.
  kuldalai Chief Commissioner

Hmmmm....
https://vic.nationals.org.au/media-releases/ministers-excuses-leave-murray-basin-rail-project-under-a-fresh-cloud-of-doubt/

The PAEC website hasn't released the transcript yet for the June 6th stoush, but I'm sure it'll be juicy.
https://www.parliament.vic.gov.au/paec/article/4880
a saga that will run as long as Neighbours.
But that's about to finish. I hear the last episode is will be screened in September.

Anyway, the Murrayville-Ouyen section upgrade appears to have been completed (now 40 km/h line speed - woohoo!!), and new rail continues to be dropped off between Ararat and Maryborough so that will help.

I do have my doubts about the rest of it though, particularly the new loops and Dunolly Yard improvements if the new Fed Govt pulls the pin completely.
Carnot
The current works are all funded jointly by Feds and Victoria key highlights being re-railing Maryborough - Ararat (new rail being dropped off now) , upgrade Ouyen - Murrayville (complete), restore siding at Donald(in hand), a new crossing loop near the current Wiltshire Block Point, re-activate crossing loop at Tourello. .
Next need is for a more direct standard gauge route from Maryborough via Ballarat to Geelong, but JA is not interested and claims it is not needed and won't work with a 40 minute Wendouree Off Peak passenger frequency.
Feds are short of cash so they will not be chasing Victoria with offers of more Federal cash especially as it is Victoria that has made such a botched job of the whole MB fiasco from poor scoping, under costing, poor project management etc.
  Lachlan's Train Channel Chief Train Controller

Location: probably taking a photo of 7901V
a saga that will run as long as Neighbours.
But that's about to finish. I hear the last episode is will be screened in September.

Anyway, the Murrayville-Ouyen section upgrade appears to have been completed (now 40 km/h line speed - woohoo!!), and new rail continues to be dropped off between Ararat and Maryborough so that will help.

I do have my doubts about the rest of it though, particularly the new loops and Dunolly Yard improvements if the new Fed Govt pulls the pin completely.
40!! that's it after all this time?  Ok a freight train doesn't have to run at TGV speed but you'd think for efficiency it might be a tad higher. Is the funding for what was already announced in the revamped/descoped project under the Federal/State arrangement already allocated, so that part can be completed at least ?
Tii
This is a line that has not seen a freight train since December 2020. That is remarkably good for a line which sees such low tonnage
  railblogger Chief Commissioner

Location: At the back of the train, quitely doing exactly what you'd expect.
I'm not convinced the line has to go through the center of Ballarat - why not build a bypass from Warrenheip to North Ballarat? That way you could get a direct route to Geelong while also freeing the existing BG track for passenger services.
  Donald Chief Commissioner

Location: Donald. Duck country.
If it follows anywhere near the freeway, a couple of tunnels & bridges may be required.  Too expensive?
  james.au Minister for Railways

Location: Sydney, NSW
I'm not convinced the line has to go through the center of Ballarat - why not build a bypass from Warrenheip to North Ballarat? That way you could get a direct route to Geelong while also freeing the existing BG track for passenger services.
railblogger

Cost of buying the land would probably make the bypass option very uneconomical.

Also, geography probably isnt amenable at the Warrenheip end.
  YM-Mundrabilla The Ghost of George Stephenson

Location: Mundrabilla but I'd rather be in Narvik
I'm not convinced the line has to go through the center of Ballarat - why not build a bypass from Warrenheip to North Ballarat? That way you could get a direct route to Geelong while also freeing the existing BG track for passenger services.
railblogger
Absolute guarantee to ensure that SG via Ballarat never happens.
  Inland_Sailor Junior Train Controller

I'm not convinced the line has to go through the center of Ballarat - why not build a bypass from Warrenheip to North Ballarat? That way you could get a direct route to Geelong while also freeing the existing BG track for passenger services.

Cost of buying the land would probably make the bypass option very uneconomical.

Also, geography probably isnt amenable at the Warrenheip end.
james.au
Seems like a solution to a problem that really doesn't exist, however, a single SG line could probably fit within or alongside the freeway easement from Nth Ballarat to Warrenheip.
  YM-Mundrabilla The Ghost of George Stephenson

Location: Mundrabilla but I'd rather be in Narvik
I'm not convinced the line has to go through the center of Ballarat - why not build a bypass from Warrenheip to North Ballarat? That way you could get a direct route to Geelong while also freeing the existing BG track for passenger services.

Cost of buying the land would probably make the bypass option very uneconomical.

Also, geography probably isnt amenable at the Warrenheip end.
Seems like a solution to a problem that really doesn't exist, however, a single SG line could probably fit within or alongside the freeway easement from Nth Ballarat to Warrenheip.
Inland_Sailor
Agree. A solution looking for a problem that either does not exist or certainly should not exist.  
Is the alternative to SG rail via Ballarat to force freight/grain traffic on to road through the town. Wonder how the locals will like 100 B doubles through town every day let alone all the smaller localities that will also suffer as a result?
  bevans Site Admin

Location: Melbourne, Australia
Some interesting info on a visit.



Marketing?
  skitz Chief Commissioner

I'm not convinced the line has to go through the center of Ballarat - why not build a bypass from Warrenheip to North Ballarat? That way you could get a direct route to Geelong while also freeing the existing BG track for passenger services.
railblogger
Its not technically difficult to go SG through Ballarat.  The design prioritising the SG as the main line for speed.  Arranging any gauge crossings to access platform 1 to be low speed for the BG be operationally 'near' the platform should alleviate any pathing and run-time issues.  

If one was prepared to forgo the Lydiard street crossing, sinking the middle road a few feet would cater for double stacking.  Workshop access and further connections to the west.  There's certainly enough real estate to cater for largely segregated tracks at the station and points north and west.  

Yet wasting ones breath, freight means nothing to this state and talking 'vision' and 'strategic' is pointless.  One only has to see placement of signals at Wendouree to see that there is no vision.
  freightgate Minister for Railways

Location: Albury, New South Wales
There could be an election coming as Horne is never out of Melbourne and certainly never to
Mildura. Did she also meet with the freight operators in Ouyen who are still waiting for their siding ?
  james.au Minister for Railways

Location: Sydney, NSW
I'm not convinced the line has to go through the center of Ballarat - why not build a bypass from Warrenheip to North Ballarat? That way you could get a direct route to Geelong while also freeing the existing BG track for passenger services.
Its not technically difficult to go SG through Ballarat.  The design prioritising the SG as the main line for speed.  Arranging any gauge crossings to access platform 1 to be low speed for the BG be operationally 'near' the platform should alleviate any pathing and run-time issues.  

If one was prepared to forgo the Lydiard street crossing, sinking the middle road a few feet would cater for double stacking.  Workshop access and further connections to the west.  There's certainly enough real estate to cater for largely segregated tracks at the station and points north and west.  

Yet wasting ones breath, freight means nothing to this state and talking 'vision' and 'strategic' is pointless.  One only has to see placement of signals at Wendouree to see that there is no vision.
skitz
Double stacking of agricultural freight is incredibly rare as it is heavy (esp if it is grain in boxes) so that makes the Lydiard street crossing suggestion a bridge we dont need to cross.
  bevans Site Admin

Location: Melbourne, Australia
Double stacking of agricultural freight is incredibly rare as it is heavy (esp if it is grain in boxes) so that makes the Lydiard street crossing suggestion a bridge we dont need to cross.
james.au

Ballarat SG plans should not avoid the station for the following reasons:

1. SG is important for passenger services on that gauge
2. Maintenance facilities and Ballarat East and Ballarat North will require (or should require) SG for maintenance activities
3. The Ballarat Intermodal Facility would benefit from SG which may be available using the old down line?
  james.au Minister for Railways

Location: Sydney, NSW
Double stacking of agricultural freight is incredibly rare as it is heavy (esp if it is grain in boxes) so that makes the Lydiard street crossing suggestion a bridge we dont need to cross.

Ballarat SG plans should not avoid the station for the following reasons:

1. SG is important for passenger services on that gauge
2. Maintenance facilities and Ballarat East and Ballarat North will require (or should require) SG for maintenance activities
3. The Ballarat Intermodal Facility would benefit from SG which may be available using the old down line?
bevans
Totally agree.  These would be lost if the line went elsewhere.
  don_dunstan Oliver Bullied, CME

Location: Adelaide proud
Double stacking of agricultural freight is incredibly rare as it is heavy (esp if it is grain in boxes) so that makes the Lydiard street crossing suggestion a bridge we dont need to cross.

Ballarat SG plans should not avoid the station for the following reasons:

1. SG is important for passenger services on that gauge
2. Maintenance facilities and Ballarat East and Ballarat North will require (or should require) SG for maintenance activities
3. The Ballarat Intermodal Facility would benefit from SG which may be available using the old down line?
bevans
Occurred to me last month when I was waiting for a train at Ballarat station (in the blistering cold wind...), SG would re-connect Ballarat with all points westward of Ararat as well as giving an alternative "northern" route for ARTC freight putting some much-needed redundancy into that route.
  YM-Mundrabilla The Ghost of George Stephenson

Location: Mundrabilla but I'd rather be in Narvik
Double stacking of agricultural freight is incredibly rare as it is heavy (esp if it is grain in boxes) so that makes the Lydiard street crossing suggestion a bridge we dont need to cross.

Ballarat SG plans should not avoid the station for the following reasons:

1. SG is important for passenger services on that gauge
2. Maintenance facilities and Ballarat East and Ballarat North will require (or should require) SG for maintenance activities
3. The Ballarat Intermodal Facility would benefit from SG which may be available using the old down line?
Occurred to me last month when I was waiting for a train at Ballarat station (in the blistering cold wind...), SG would re-connect Ballarat with all points westward of Ararat as well as giving an alternative "northern" route for ARTC freight putting some much-needed redundancy into that route.
don_dunstan
Something that I proposed years ago that Geelong - Ballarat - Ararat SG would provide enormous additional capacity or redundancy.

Sadly, someone at Vline must have read my post as they immediately set about resleepering much of Ballarat - Ararat with BG concrete sleepers so 'cementing' the section as BG for virtually ever.

With half a brain they could have had their cake and eaten it too for no additional sleeper cost.
  don_dunstan Oliver Bullied, CME

Location: Adelaide proud
Double stacking of agricultural freight is incredibly rare as it is heavy (esp if it is grain in boxes) so that makes the Lydiard street crossing suggestion a bridge we dont need to cross.

Ballarat SG plans should not avoid the station for the following reasons:

1. SG is important for passenger services on that gauge
2. Maintenance facilities and Ballarat East and Ballarat North will require (or should require) SG for maintenance activities
3. The Ballarat Intermodal Facility would benefit from SG which may be available using the old down line?
Occurred to me last month when I was waiting for a train at Ballarat station (in the blistering cold wind...), SG would re-connect Ballarat with all points westward of Ararat as well as giving an alternative "northern" route for ARTC freight putting some much-needed redundancy into that route.
Something that I proposed years ago that Geelong - Ballarat - Ararat SG would provide enormous additional capacity or redundancy.

Sadly, someone at Vline must have read my post as they immediately set about resleepering much of Ballarat - Ararat with BG concrete sleepers so 'cementing' the section as BG for virtually ever.

With half a brain they could have had their cake and eaten it too for no additional sleeper cost.
YM-Mundrabilla
Yeah I meant to say it would re-connect Ballarat with all points west-wards - full-stop. And it's a shame to hear that they didn't consider dual-gauging those sleepers. Even here in SA we've dual-gauged all the sleepers used in the urban area just in case it all goes standard gauge sometime in the future.

It's bad foresight on V/line's behalf that it isn't able to easily converted to standard gauge - a national 25KV standard gauge network would have provided interoperability for the whole of the eastern seaboard.
  bevans Site Admin

Location: Melbourne, Australia
Take a look at this article team and the detailed psychology of the marketing message https://www.railpage.com.au/news/s/new-funds-put-rail-freight-capacity-on-track  incredible the minister has taken this approach of projecting all is in hand and we are all good.  Why are we talking about more sidings now?  This should have been already completed.

Where are the roads in Mildura yard that could have been made available for storage of wagons.

Note the issues around grain trains accessing Yelta since Victrack pulled out the yard at Mildura.  Also the minister states the proposed works will allow 5 trains per week instead of the current 3, it was at 5 trains on BG.

What a dishonest comedy.
  james.au Minister for Railways

Location: Sydney, NSW
Take a look at this article team and the detailed psychology of the marketing message https://www.railpage.com.au/news/s/new-funds-put-rail-freight-capacity-on-track  incredible the minister has taken this approach of projecting all is in hand and we are all good.  Why are we talking about more sidings now?  This should have been already completed.

Where are the roads in Mildura yard that could have been made available for storage of wagons.

Note the issues around grain trains accessing Yelta since Victrack pulled out the yard at Mildura.  Also the minister states the proposed works will allow 5 trains per week instead of the current 3, it was at 5 trains on BG.

What a dishonest comedy.
bevans
This is why a decent opposition is needed.  Right now Labor can do whatever and it wont be challenged.  No-one is there on the other side to shine a light on the reality and possibly embarrass them into doing the right thing.  Shame really.
  BrentonGolding Chief Commissioner

Location: Maldon Junction
Take a look at this article team and the detailed psychology of the marketing message https://www.railpage.com.au/news/s/new-funds-put-rail-freight-capacity-on-track  incredible the minister has taken this approach of projecting all is in hand and we are all good.  Why are we talking about more sidings now?  This should have been already completed.
bevans
... installation of over... 8000 joints between the rail...

I thought CWR was the way of the future not joints and fish plates Laughing
  Lockspike Chief Commissioner

Take a look at this article team and the detailed psychology of the marketing message https://www.railpage.com.au/news/s/new-funds-put-rail-freight-capacity-on-track  incredible the minister has taken this approach of projecting all is in hand and we are all good.  Why are we talking about more sidings now?  This should have been already completed.
... installation of over... 8000 joints between the rail...

I thought CWR was the way of the future not joints and fish plates Laughing
BrentonGolding
Do they mean welds? Bear in mind these media releases are written by spin doctor public relations people do not know what they're dealing with.
I also wonder how good is the information provided to them by the people who do know. Is it carefully checked to eliminate ambiguity?
Is it written so as to be deliberately ambiguous?
  8502 Assistant Commissioner

Occurred to me last month when I was waiting for a train at Ballarat station (in the blistering cold wind...), SG would re-connect Ballarat with all points westward of Ararat as well as giving an alternative "northern" route for ARTC freight putting some much-needed redundancy into that route.
don_dunstan
Were you considering running SG trains via Balalrat and Maryborough and to Ouyen and then SA or are you thinking Ballarat to Ararat and then to SA?
  bevans Site Admin

Location: Melbourne, Australia
Take a look at this article team and the detailed psychology of the marketing message https://www.railpage.com.au/news/s/new-funds-put-rail-freight-capacity-on-track  incredible the minister has taken this approach of projecting all is in hand and we are all good.  Why are we talking about more sidings now?  This should have been already completed.
... installation of over... 8000 joints between the rail...

I thought CWR was the way of the future not joints and fish plates Laughing
BrentonGolding

All window dressing from an under performing minister who is now desperate to look relevant and in charge.

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