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station street
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Posted: Sat Apr 08, 2006 12:41 pm
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Looks like the Government is now commited!
Appologies of this has already been posted befire: I did look though, so don't shoot me down in flames - Anyways:
From: http://www.heraldsun.news.com.au/common/story_page/0,5478,18745558%255E661,00.html
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Green light for $1b rail project
By Liam Houlihan, transport reporter
08apr06
A $1 BILLION project to build a third rail track on the crowded Dandenong line has been given the green light in secret.
The extra track will speed up travel times for tens of thousands of commuters in Melbourne's growing east.
Houses and shops will be demolished, stations widened and roads diverted for the length of the 19km third track from Caulfield to Dandenong.
The extra track will allow express trains to overtake stopping-all-stations trains and free the network for more frequent services.
It is shaping as the Bracks Government's most expensive transport project.
The Government wanted to keep the third track project quiet until a major transport statement next month.
But the Herald Sun discovered the Government has already signed off on more than $6 million worth of contracts for the "Dandenong Rail Corridor Project" in the past three months.
A source close to the project confirmed the third track has been officially approved by the Bracks Government.
It could take a decade to build the extra line.
Transport Minister Peter Batchelor's office said the Dandenong rail contracts were for development of the project, but not the start of works.
Dandenong is the city's second busiest line after Belgrave with 55,000 boardings each week day.
The Government is also looking at building new stations on the Cranbourne and Werribee lines.
It has spent $283,000 on advice for options to build a station between Dandenong and Merinda Park stations at Lynbrook, and another at Point Cook.
The third track project stalled last year when the Government failed to fully commit to it in the 2005 budget.
Instead it funded a $25 million study of options for the Dandenong growth corridor.
That left open the possibility of extra buses as an alternative to a third rail.
The Public Transport Users Association said there were less costly ways to serve more passengers on the busy line.
"The people living on that line will be happy to see the extra trains when they arrive but that will be in a long time," said association president Daniel Bowen.
"Revamping signalling and timetables and introducing passing loops where there's available land, like in Oakleigh, would be much cheaper."
One of the Dandenong contracts, for survey services, has gone to Connell Wagner, which designed roads, tunnels and noise walls for EastLink.
Another is to a rail company involved in the Government's Regional Fast Rail project.
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EDIT: Interesting, how the PTUA shoot down the proposal, annd are suggesting a much worse idea. I wish they could get someone who was grateful for once, and maybe intellegent....
- Station Street
Thanks for a good time - but I have decided to stop posting.
- Station Street
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Posted: Sat Apr 08, 2006 12:47 pm
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Well finnally! it cirtainly has taken them long enough to get their butts into gear! But demolishing homes and business? people wont want to move or have their shops torn down like that, so i guess they're right when they say it could take 10 years to do.
I wonder when the first actual work will comence?
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Posted: Sat Apr 08, 2006 1:02 pm
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The people don't really get a choice... "compulsory acquisition" springs to mind. 
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Posted: Sat Apr 08, 2006 1:15 pm
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Hmm...
All, i can say, is it seems good now. but when it's done, ill say it's done.
But can we expect over-budget and delayed results..
At leasts it better than nothing.
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Posted: Sat Apr 08, 2006 1:18 pm
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Another re-announcement.
This project was promised when they won in 1999 - anyone remember "flyer trains"???
I'm sick of all the talk about this - bloody hell, build it already!
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Posted: Sat Apr 08, 2006 1:22 pm
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| MelbourneCity wrote: | Another re-announcement.
This project was promised when they won in 1999 - anyone remember "flyer trains"???
I'm sick of all the talk about this - bloody hell, build it already! |
I think Connex does not want to run flyer trains until extra capacity sort.
On the other hand, I think PTUA doesn't know(not surprisingly) the number of empty transfer trains running from Westall depot to city. One of the reason made this stretch so crowded.
Hey?..whatever happen to my warning level?
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Posted: Sat Apr 08, 2006 1:23 pm
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| station street wrote: | | EDIT: Interesting, how the PTUA shoot down the proposal, annd are suggesting a much worse idea. I wish they could get someone who was grateful for once, and maybe intellegent.... |
That's exactly what someone here was saying - the gov't can't win with the PTUA either way - whatever they do, it gets bagged!
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Posted: Sat Apr 08, 2006 1:24 pm
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Flyer Trains was a Bracks' promise, nothing to do with Connex.
The third track should of been built starting 2000.
I actually think it should be four tracks, but hey, that aint going to happen in this country!
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Posted: Sat Apr 08, 2006 1:27 pm
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| jarf wrote: | | The people don't really get a choice... "compulsory acquisition" springs to mind. |
Hmm i hope the people concerned have watched 'The Castle' a few times, at least this will keep those in the High Court busy, but does that mean the 'hired Goon Sales' will increse as well?
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Posted: Sat Apr 08, 2006 1:28 pm
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| MelbourneCity wrote: | Flyer Trains was a Bracks' promise, nothing to do with Connex.
The third track should of been built starting 2000.
I actually think it should be four tracks, but hey, that aint going to happen in this country! |
Yeah..but without extra capcity, you can't run the train regardles of who is the operator or which government in charged
Hey?..whatever happen to my warning level?
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Posted: Sat Apr 08, 2006 1:30 pm
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Yeh I know that, but this project should of been finished 4 years ago, meaning the trains would be running now.
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Posted: Sat Apr 08, 2006 1:30 pm
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| Metro Transit wrote: | | jarf wrote: | | The people don't really get a choice... "compulsory acquisition" springs to mind. |
Hmm i hope the people concerned have watched 'The Castle' a few times, at least this will keep those in the High Court busy, but does that mean the 'hired Goon Sales' will increse as well? |
Unfortunately that wasn't a real court. Compulsory acquisition happens successfully quite often these days. Just drive along Maroondah Hwy into Ringwood. See the big ditch? There was a servo and a whole heap of houses there. The road you drive on? used to be a timber yard (now next-door, as it happens).
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Posted: Sat Apr 08, 2006 1:32 pm
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Yeh I know that, but this project should of been finished 4 years ago, meaning the trains would be running now
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No.. it would of begun 4 years ago.
today trains would run (hopefully)
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Posted: Sat Apr 08, 2006 1:34 pm
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| MelbourneCity wrote: | | Yeh I know that, but this project should of been finished 4 years ago, meaning the trains would be running now. |
Flyer trains shouldn't be hard to do once capacity problem solved, during the off peak hour, there are plenty of sets spare not doing anything in the depot. In fct "Hillside Trains" ran Ringwood-Camberwell express trains during off peak in the past.
Hey?..whatever happen to my warning level?
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Posted: Sat Apr 08, 2006 1:40 pm
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| EvanC wrote: | | station street wrote: | | EDIT: Interesting, how the PTUA shoot down the proposal, annd are suggesting a much worse idea. I wish they could get someone who was grateful for once, and maybe intellegent.... |
That's exactly what someone here was saying - the gov't can't win with the PTUA either way - whatever they do, it gets bagged! |
Makes you wonder if they have any crediility at all, or do we actually nee PTUA? I meant we got ARA and RTSA, who actively lobby and plan for railway, tramway and public transport with real profesional railway/tramway people and academics. PTUA on the other hand...mostly just whingling bastard
Hey?..whatever happen to my warning level?
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