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  JZ Assistant Commissioner

Location: Liverpool, NSW
This forum has been stacked by Libs!

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  Fireman Dave Chief Commissioner

Location: Shh, I'm hiding
ARTC took over the management of the entire NSW network outside the METROPOLITAN network. If you start making exeptions (Canberra etc) where do you stop.
My opinion is that the signal boxes would be closed in the short term anyway, and I think this is one of the things TE2815 is really worried about and not with out cause.
  MBAX Chief Commissioner

Location: Mostly the Imperial
The Country RIC Network is funded by the NSW Government with the work carried out by ARTC on a contract basis. Most of the secondary lines like Mudgee and Cowra plus branch lines are maintained on this basis.
  TE2815 Minister for Railways

Location: Mission control Minto or Thirlmere
Very simple , Rail Cork had no interest in maintaining or improving the standards of the rail infrastructure between Joppa Junction and Macarthur . The working museum that still exists would have lived for another 100 years . ARTC has a vested interest in upgrading the infrastructure for ALL rail operators , not just the bendy bus tin cans .

YOU should not be so selfish as to assume that the railway was built specifically to move passengers between Macarthur and Goulburn or Canberra .
"BDA"


Who are you talking to?
"arctic"
arctic, I would assume he is talking to me. In reply I ask you BDA. Where did I say that I was assuming that the railway was built specifically to move passengers etc...., Question  Answer, No where did I say that Exclamation  So do not put words into my posts (mouth) that I have not typed (said).
My point is that as RailCorp has a CityRail depot at Moss Vale this area should have stayed with RailCorp as this is the only CityRail depot located in ARTC territory.

ARTC took over the management of the entire NSW network outside the METROPOLITAN network. If you start making exeptions (Canberra etc) where do you stop.
My opinion is that the signal boxes would be closed in the short term anyway, and I think this is one of the things TE2815 is really worried about and not with out cause.
"Fireman Dave"
Quite correct. Re your first point see above response to BDA for my reasoning.
As to your second point, you are correct RIC were in the process of arranging the closing down of Country Signal boxes when the ARTC lease was signed. ARTC have simply continued with the process that had already been commenced and adjusted it to their needs.

The Country RIC Network is funded by the NSW Government with the work carried out by ARTC on a contract basis. Most of the secondary lines like Mudgee and Cowra plus branch lines are maintained on this basis.
"MBAX"
That is correct, the CRN includes the Canberra line so why is it not possible, BDA, that RailCorp could have retained this line anyway. If they wanted they could have contracted the maintenance to ARTC or another provider.
  gregrudd Deputy Commissioner

Location: 521.4 KM from the DFC capital of NSW
So would the 5000 public service employees who are gonna get sacked if teh Libs get in.
Howard + Debham = Hell
"blakjak"


5000

Hell Costa wants to sack 28000
  blakjak Chief Commissioner

Location: Sid-en-aye, Ostralya
I wouldn't doubt it, but he's not the leader of his party & what he wants & what he gets are 2 different things.
Debham however is the leader of his party & if he wins he will consider he has a mandate to sack akot of ppl. I can't recall Costa making any policy speaches regarding him wanting to sack 28000 ppl, I do however remember Debham saying NSW has to be trimmer & that 1 of his 1st jobs if elected would be to sack alot of public servants.
If the Liberals (state & federal) had their way they would basically sack 'em all & rehire them on new contracts thru private employment firms.
  TE2815 Minister for Railways

Location: Mission control Minto or Thirlmere
All things that Debnam has said are his first job. He is going to be pretty busy in the first 24 to 48 hours if he wins to honour his "so-called" commitments, if you can call what any politician says as a commitment.
  gboaf Assistant Commissioner

So would the 5000 public service employees who are gonna get sacked if teh Libs get in.
Howard + Debham = Hell
"blakjak"


5000

Hell Costa wants to sack 28000
"gregrudd"


I also don't remember this. I do remember Debnam wishing to sack 29,000 people. That's 29,000 hard working people sacked for no other reason than to score votes with people who have the false belief that public servants are lazy and useless and need to be dragged down a few levels.

And these are the same people who will then complain that they can not get service. When they ask why, you should tell them that this lack of service is precisely what they voted for.

If Debnam gets in power, we are all doomed. And of course, Debnam will probably try to replace the sacked people with lowly paid contractors. That's a typical Liberal party kind of idea, while the Liberal party elite live the comfortable life of riches and luxury.
  Simes_mk2 Chief Commissioner

Location: Sydney
Debnam's not the member for Vaucluse for nothing  Twisted Evil

I work in health and while I can see that there are sections where things could be drastically simplified etc. If that tool gets his way it'll decimate the front line staff and the ones higher up will sheild themselves from the axe
  gregrudd Deputy Commissioner

Location: 521.4 KM from the DFC capital of NSW
So would the 5000 public service employees who are gonna get sacked if teh Libs get in.
Howard + Debham = Hell
"blakjak"


5000

Hell Costa wants to sack 28000
"gregrudd"


I also don't remember this. I do remember Debnam wishing to sack 29,000 people. That's 29,000 hard working people sacked for no other reason than to score votes with people who have the false belief that public servants are lazy and useless and need to be dragged down a few levels.

And these are the same people who will then complain that they can not get service. When they ask why, you should tell them that this lack of service is precisely what they voted for.

If Debnam gets in power, we are all doomed. And of course, Debnam will probably try to replace the sacked people with lowly paid contractors. That's a typical Liberal party kind of idea, while the Liberal party elite live the comfortable life of riches and luxury.
"gboaf"


No its also actually a ALP idea as well dispite their propoganda. You obviously didn't pay attention to people like Egan and Costa et al. Even Latham was a proponent of small government.
  gregrudd Deputy Commissioner

Location: 521.4 KM from the DFC capital of NSW
I wouldn't doubt it, but he's not the leader of his party & what he wants & what he gets are 2 different things.
Debham however is the leader of his party & if he wins he will consider he has a mandate to sack akot of ppl. I can't recall Costa making any policy speaches regarding him wanting to sack 28000 ppl, I do however remember Debham saying NSW has to be trimmer & that 1 of his 1st jobs if elected would be to sack alot of public servants.
If the Liberals (state & federal) had their way they would basically sack 'em all & rehire them on new contracts thru private employment firms.
"blakjak"


Here is a link to ABC stateline where he was on record for wanting to reduce the size of the public service by 20%

http://www.abc.net.au/stateline/nsw/content/2005/s1341634.htm

And notice how the a***hole had distanced himself from his own remarks.

And here is another one

http://www.smh.com.au/articles/2005/03/21/1111253960200.html
  BDA Chief Commissioner

Location: Sydney
As always its very easy to be critical when in the opposition camp , very easy to promise the world and not have to deliver .

A lot of the changes the Snoberal party want are aimed at keeping the plebs poor or preferably starved to the point of "do you want to eat or don't you ?"  Choises ?

Make absolutely no mistake , the upper echelons of the Snoberal Party don't want to govern - they want to RULE .

The way I see it Labours problems are that they don't seem to have a clue how to work together for the good of their party . Numbskully was always going to self destruct and I'm amazed that he was protected for as long as he was . Too much conflict between left and right factions is what holds the party back in a time when it can't afford to be disorganised .

I don't envy our current Premier the position that Carr left him in but I think he has more to offer than that yapping jackle (chinless wonder) Deadheadnam .
  gregrudd Deputy Commissioner

Location: 521.4 KM from the DFC capital of NSW
As always its very easy to be critical when in the opposition camp , very easy to promise the world and not have to deliver .

A lot of the changes the Snoberal party want are aimed at keeping the plebs poor or preferably starved to the point of "do you want to eat or don't you ?"  Choises ?

Make absolutely no mistake , the upper echelons of the Snoberal Party don't want to govern - they want to RULE .

The way I see it Labours problems are that they don't seem to have a clue how to work together for the good of their party . Numbskully was always going to self destruct and I'm amazed that he was protected for as long as he was . Too much conflict between left and right factions is what holds the party back in a time when it can't afford to be disorganised .

I don't envy our current Premier the position that Carr left him in but I think he has more to offer than that yapping jackle (chinless wonder) Deadheadnam .
"BDA"

They are some pretty good points you make there BDA.

The way I see it is that the factional system in the ALP is too big and too powerful for its own good where you see people using the factions to futher themselves instead of the party.

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