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Alltrains
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Posted: Tue Nov 07, 2006 11:56 am
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It is a bit of a worry that so many people are carrying on about copyright. It would be interesting to see how many of the so called designers of these models have written permission from the copyright owners to replicate their designs in either full size, miniature or any other means. To do a 3D design for MSTS or any other train sim of a NSWGR 48 class requires permission from ALCO who are the copyright owners for the design of the loco and also the NSWGR or its predecessor who are the copyright owners for the paint scheme, failure to obtain this written permission and proceeding with the model and releasing it to the public either as freeware or especially payware (where somebody replicates a design for profit) breaches the copyright law and is punishable by hefty fines or imprisonment. I suggest that anyone who wishes to enforce the copyright laws that they make sure that their own backyard is clean as an investigator of piracy (mainly DVD's and CD's) I can assure you that once a complaint is made the whole industry is investigated and anyone who has breached the law is prosecuted.
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ARG706
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Posted: Tue Nov 07, 2006 12:01 pm
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How would TA own the design of a 48 class?
If someone builds a 48 class from scratch with its own cab, sounds, textures, eng file, new shape file and it has nothing to do with the TA 48 how can they be prosecuted for distributing their model?  I'd think that TA own the 48 class THEY have built. It's not like they've purchased the rights from Pacific National direct for exclusive rights to construct one
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squeekazoid
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Posted: Tue Nov 07, 2006 12:02 pm
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| Alltrains wrote: | | It is a bit of a worry that so many people are carrying on about copyright. It would be interesting to see how many of the so called designers of these models have written permission from the copyright owners to replicate their designs in either full size, miniature or any other means. To do a 3D design for MSTS or any other train sim of a NSWGR 48 class requires permission from ALCO who are the copyright owners for the design of the loco and also the NSWGR or its predecessor who are the copyright owners for the paint scheme, failure to obtain this written permission and proceeding with the model and releasing it to the public either as freeware or especially payware (where somebody replicates a design for profit) breaches the copyright law and is punishable by hefty fines or imprisonment. I suggest that anyone who wishes to enforce the copyright laws that they make sure that their own backyard is clean as an investigator of piracy (mainly DVD's and CD's) I can assure you that once a complaint is made the whole industry is investigated and anyone who has breached the law is prosecuted. |
Yes well msts and any other sim should be fine to re-skin only you must include the original modelers name in the read me that soudns much better than getting F****** pERMISSION from some whoa rent even bluddy around anymore.
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big_ed
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Posted: Tue Nov 07, 2006 12:34 pm
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Squeekaroid
you obviously havent read the readme perhaps you should look at the clause I found in the 48 class folder.
| Code: | 5. Copyright, Distribution and Terms of Use
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This train model is released as Freeware. Copyright © Gavin Ball, William Ivery, team-ALCO
As freeware you are permitted to enjoy the use of this archive subject to
the following conditions:
- This model is intended for private, non-commercial use only;
- This model and any of its associated files may not be retro-engineered
or used for any purpose other than its original intended use without
the prior written consent of the author;
- Persons wishing to repaint this model may do so for personal
use only; no screenshots of models with altered textures
may be published or distributed in any way without the express
permission of the author;
- This archive must be distributed without modification to the
contents of the archive. Redistributing this archive with any
original files added, removed or modified is prohibited without
the permission of the author; in particular, the two readme text in
their entirety must not be removed or altered;
- This model may not be distributed on CD without the prior
written consent of the author;
- The inclusion of any individual file from this archive in another
archive without the prior permission of the author is prohibited;
- No charge may be made for this archive other than that to cover the
cost of its distribution. If a fee is charged it must be made clear
to the purchaser that the archive is freeware and that the fee is to
cover the distributor's costs of providing the archive;
- This train is provided AS IS, I assume no responsibility or liablity
for any MSTS or system hardware/software problems you may encounter
after installing this train;
- By downloading and/or using this model, you have agreed with these
terms and conditions of use;
- The authors' rights and wishes concerning this archive must be
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This is quite clear as to your responsibilities as a End user and you are just that plus a plonker as well.
No regards Ed
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squeekazoid
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Posted: Tue Nov 07, 2006 12:36 pm
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Hey i am updating that my site password has been changed due to a mate hacking me but i have worked on it teh password is kim06 which i will be removing the password when i get home.
Cheers
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squeekazoid
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Posted: Tue Nov 07, 2006 12:40 pm
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| squeekazoid wrote: | | Alltrains wrote: | | It is a bit of a worry that so many people are carrying on about copyright. It would be interesting to see how many of the so called designers of these models have written permission from the copyright owners to replicate their designs in either full size, miniature or any other means. To do a 3D design for MSTS or any other train sim of a NSWGR 48 class requires permission from ALCO who are the copyright owners for the design of the loco and also the NSWGR or its predecessor who are the copyright owners for the paint scheme, failure to obtain this written permission and proceeding with the model and releasing it to the public either as freeware or especially payware (where somebody replicates a design for profit) breaches the copyright law and is punishable by hefty fines or imprisonment. I suggest that anyone who wishes to enforce the copyright laws that they make sure that their own backyard is clean as an investigator of piracy (mainly DVD's and CD's) I can assure you that once a complaint is made the whole industry is investigated and anyone who has breached the law is prosecuted. |
Yes well msts and any other sim should be fine to re-skin only you must include the original modelers name in the read me that soudns much better than getting F****** pERMISSION from some whoa rent even bluddy around anymore. |
I STILL THINK IT SHOULD BE GETTING!!!!!!!!!! just putting the original modelers name in the read me AND THEN IT SHOULD BE FINE you ED are LOSER PICK ON someone your own size insted of young ones who are just trying to have some fun all im saying is there will be no msts content if we dont re-skin for god sacks not everyone is a modeller but a great re-skinner so therefore the terms of re-skinning should be changed.
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big_ed
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squeekazoid
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Posted: Tue Nov 07, 2006 12:53 pm
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I have no problems my problem is F******* people like you trying to put me down for tryign to make msts a bit more better with re-skins like i know someone who has done pac nat BL,AN, GHAN AN and they are very good teh only reason he dont post them is so he doesnt have to put up with DI****** like you.
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Chris Anderson
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Posted: Tue Nov 07, 2006 1:06 pm
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Squeeky, honestly mate, I'd really suggest that you listen to other people who know exactly what is going on. They know what is the right thing to do, and by doing what you have been, I'd have to say that you are flagrantly flouting the copyright laws. You'd do best to either quit while you've still got a head and remove the offending re-skins, or face the potential wrath of T-A.
Hell hath no fury like a modeller smegged-off!!!
Mr. Anderson... surprised to see me?
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big_ed
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Posted: Tue Nov 07, 2006 2:50 pm
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I have decided that due to Squeekaroids and analtrans attitude I will not be releasing any more freeware.
Gimme pigs such as these ask for too much.
Forget about the sar 900 DEs, 500 shunting locos, 600, 750 steam and others.
some are finished others nearly but they can wait forever now and will be given to my friends and selected forum members only!
Ed
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ARG706
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Posted: Tue Nov 07, 2006 3:01 pm
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So you're gonna kick all of us in the head just like that over two people who have no respect for rights and wishes of those that release freeware?
I'm not sure what else to say here as I really don't want to be interpretted as a gimme pig
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aussiebbq
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Posted: Tue Nov 07, 2006 3:34 pm
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| ARG706 wrote: | So you're gonna kick all of us in the head just like that over two numbskulls who have no respect for rights and wishes of those that release freeware?
I'm not sure what else to say here as I really don't want to be interpretted as a gimme pig |
there is always that small minority that wreck it for the rest, proof that one person can do a lot of damage. Its like some kids "tag" an old steam train sitting in a park and a fence is built around it. It is always the negative things that we remember and because of this the people who put in the time to built or reskin (the right way) are forgotten. You give them to who you want Ed, you don't have to made anyone happy apart from yourself.
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BuddyALX
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Posted: Tue Nov 07, 2006 3:50 pm
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| big_ed wrote: | I have decided that due to Squeekaroids and analtrans attitude I will not be releasing any more freeware.
Gimme pigs such as these ask for too much.
Forget about the sar 900 DEs, 500 shunting locos, 600, 750 steam and others.
some are finished others nearly but they can wait forever now and will be given to my friends and selected forum members only!
Ed |
BIG ED AND ALL OTHER MEMBERS LISTEN!!!
LOOK! I have had it up to HERE with you people. You guys go COMPLETELY OFF TOPIC due to this, THING about 830s being reskinned. I in fact am reskinning a NSW 45 class into an SAR 600 diesel, then show the screenshots to TA themselvese via email to see if they like it, NOT ON Railpage Australia™! But that will be a loing way off. Anyway. THIS IS NOT ABOUT TEAM ALCO OR ANY OF THAT BULL!! Take this up via PM. I do not want to see this again or I will, I repeat, I WILL take this up with Admins about seeing if you guys will be warned for THIS BEHAVIOUR that I am seeing NOW!!
THIS TOPIC HAS NOTHING TO DO WITH TEAM ALCO. It is about the CL class being converted into CLF class by Squeekazoid. NOTHING MORE, THAT IS FINAL!!
Daniel Hall.
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aushuntercoal
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Posted: Tue Nov 07, 2006 3:53 pm
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| squeekazoid wrote: | | Yes well msts and any other sim should be fine to re-skin only you must include the original modelers name in the read me that soudns much better than getting F****** pERMISSION from some whoa rent even bluddy around anymore. |
The problem here is that you want to do it on your terms, you cannot have it on your terms, Team Alco, build quality stuff. This cannot be done on your terms, it is not your, it wasn't your, will not be your model, just your reskin. Where does the reskin go? On the model.
Judge: And what Law are you basing this argument on?
Darryl Kerrigan: The Law of bloody common sense!
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