Kew Line photos

 
  wongm GEEWONG

Location: Geelong, Victoria
"ninthnotch"
I'm wondering what that area looks like today - does the cutting still exist, as a road, or cycleway/footpath/railtrail, or has it all been filled in (as often happens with disused cuttings in suburbia)?

And which road is carried by the bridge? Using Melway map 45 as reference, my guess is most likely Barker Rd or Mary St, though (what I'm assuming to be) that section of line was also crossed (over?) by Linda Cr, Chrystobel Cr, Kinkora St and Hawthorn Gr.

ninthnotch, you remark that there is very little photograpic material extant of this line; presumably you're referring to contemporary photos. What about current day photos, this spot in particular?

It's the sort of thing I'd make a point of taking a photo of, when/if I ever get down to Mexico Town for a few days Smile
"wurx"

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  wongm GEEWONG

Location: Geelong, Victoria
I walked the line a while back - some roads have a slight dip where the line went, but all of the cutings have been filled in.

The line is now a linear park, except for the site of Barker station which is covered by a motel, Kew station which is now the VicRoads head office, and Kew - Barker is the carpark / driveway for Vicroads. The up end of the line (beside Glenferrie Oval) is also a car park.
  Mickelaar The Ghost of George Stephenson

Location: At the layout, tinkering.
Could they / have they been built over, IE housing, or would the land be too unstable?
  GeoffreyHansen Minister for Railways

Location: In a FAM sleeper
Didn't the Kew line close because of competition from the tramways?

Thanks
Geoffrey
  ninthnotch Dr Beeching

Location: Not here. Try another castle.
Didn't the Kew line close because of competition from the tramways?

Thanks
Geoffrey
"GeoffreyHansen"


Yes and no.   Certainly the trams played a role, but it was the VR that killed off the line.
In the 1920's there was a massive increase in the use of the suburban lines, and the two-track line to Camberwell was at capacity.  The Kew line, being the least-patronised, was reduced to a shuttle.

Obviously as time went by, the fact that people had to change just to go from Melbourne to Kew reduced the line's popularity, and over time, there was less and less patronage, until in 1958, the line closed to traffic.

Here's some happy-snaps from the Kew line off PROV:




Kew station




Removing rail from the platform road at Kew




Rail recovery train near Glenferrie Oval




Hawthorn looking along the start of the Kew line




Stephenson's link A2 at Kew with dismantling train




Up end of Kew yard after closure




Barker platform after station demolished, gates and down home signal, 18/03/1959




Dismantling train with J532 at Hawthorn station
  wurx Lithgovian Ambassador-at-Large

Location: The mystical lost principality of Daptovia
Seems like they treated it as the Far Kew line....... LaughingWink
  wurx Lithgovian Ambassador-at-Large

Location: The mystical lost principality of Daptovia
"ninthnotch"
I'm wondering what that area looks like today - does the cutting still exist, as a road, or cycleway/footpath/railtrail, or has it all been filled in (as often happens with disused cuttings in suburbia)?

And which road is carried by the bridge? Using Melway map 45 as reference, my guess is most likely Barker Rd or Mary St, though (what I'm assuming to be) that section of line was also crossed (over?) by Linda Cr, Chrystobel Cr, Kinkora St and Hawthorn Gr.

ninthnotch, you remark that there is very little photograpic material extant of this line; presumably you're referring to contemporary photos. What about current day photos, this spot in particular?

It's the sort of thing I'd make a point of taking a photo of, when/if I ever get down to Mexico Town for a few days Smile
"Earlier today, I"
Thanx for posting the photos, 'notch Well Done

Have you or anyone else been able to ascertain yet the name of the road over the line?
  psr85 Chief Commissioner

Location: Sandringham Line, Melbourne
Seems like they treated it as the Far Kew line....... LaughingWink
"wurx"
Laughing Remember that fo Bogie time!

Thanks for those photos "Nit Twitch".
Is that the lot from PROV? Or is it worth us all heading over there to have a look for some more?
  ninthnotch Dr Beeching

Location: Not here. Try another castle.
wongm, they are all from PROV that I can find.

The State Library may have some more.
  574M White Guru

Location: Shepparton
In a sophisticated analysis of the causes, perhaps World War II was the ultimate cause of closure. Clapp had a plan to extend Kew line underground to the other side of Kew Post Office and then run on the surface to Doncaster, with 5 new stations.

I would say that WWII put paid to any funding for railway line extensions. with the war effort.

I think our esteemed archivist, ninthnotch, has the plans and may post them. I took some pics, but cannot find them immediately.

Kew Line Pics

Barker



Kew Yard - Closed



Dismantling Train at Kew Yard



Dismantling Train, between Hawthorn and Barker



Dismantling Train, from the platform at Kew



A sus photo. I cannot date this, but I doubt this is the Kew line in 1950 or 1955, due the holland type signal in the photo. This is plat 3 at Hawthorn, photo legend depicts "Kew Line" ... but I doubt the provenance of this photo.



A search for J532 on PROV should turn up photos of J532 and the dismantling train at various locations, including Hawthorn yard.

Question:

During the days of operation of the Kew line, where were the mickeys stabled; Kew or Hawthorn?

And, to the archivist, a back issue of Newsrail, circa 1982, has a article with a screenshot with the Kew driver's roster in it. I recall it was a roster for a Sunday evening service, circa 1936. It was non stop work with 2-3 minute turnarounds. Must have been a busy line, in its heyday.

EDIT - seems Ninthnotch and I were both bored at work at the same time!
Very Happy

apologies for the double post.

Notch, where did you come up with the reference to the A2 on the dismantling train?
  ninthnotch Dr Beeching

Location: Not here. Try another castle.
Why it's an A2: Tender style, shunter's boards, position of cylinder.

WWII probably stopped the Kew line from being saved, rather than actively closing the line.

in 1941, there was only a peak-hour service to and from Kew by train, 13 return trips, from 05:21 - 09:13 in the morning and 12 in the evening, from 15:35 to 19:04, the rest being a road motor service (at 15-minute intervals) via Denmark St, Power St and Burwood Rds.
  Jason R Chief Commissioner

Location: Socialist People's Republic of Yarra.
And which road is carried by the bridge? Using Melway map 45 as reference, my guess is most likely Barker Rd or Mary St, though (what I'm assuming to be) that section of line was also crossed (over?) by Linda Cr, Chrystobel Cr, Kinkora St and Hawthorn Gr.
"wurx"

I'm not certain which road that is, but it could not have been Barkers Road or Hawthorn Grove, as these were both level crossings on either side of Barker Station (which was demolished and became the California Motor Inn when the line closed).
  Jason R Chief Commissioner

Location: Socialist People's Republic of Yarra.
Some other photographs to do with the Kew Line:


Another picture of Kew Station - it was one of VR's standard designs, of which quite a few still survive, such as on the Upfield Line and at Clifton Hill among other places.


What looks like an Edwardian era postcard of the approach to Kew Station. The station was remote from the main commercial district of Kew (centred a short distance to the north at Kew Junction and High Street) which was likely part of the reason why the line closed - the trams ran straight through it, while the railway did not. The postcard shows the path between the station and the main commercial area.


Photo of a Kew train (actually at Hawthorn station on the way to Kew).


Photo of a passenger train that is captioned as being in the platform at Kew. A bit hard to verify, but the topography seems about right.
  station street Chief Commissioner

For how logn was the line elctrified? What train sserviced it?

  -   Station   Street
  Jason R Chief Commissioner

Location: Socialist People's Republic of Yarra.
For how logn was the line elctrified? What train sserviced it?
"station street"

I don't know when it was electrified, but judging from the design of the staunchions, it would have been in the 1920s.

Previous threads here have stated that the electric service was run by a single car Swing Door. The line opened on the 19th December, 1887, so steam passenger trains also ran on the line for some time.

Clapp had a plan to extend Kew line underground to the other side of Kew Post Office and then run on the surface to Doncaster, with 5 new stations.
"574M"

Are you referring to these (in your gallery)?
[gallery=http://gallery.railpage.com.au/modules.php?set_albumName=574M&id=clapp_1&name=gallery&include=view_photo.php] [gallery=http://gallery.railpage.com.au/modules.php?set_albumName=574M&id=clapp_2&name=gallery&include=view_photo.php]
  ninthnotch Dr Beeching

Location: Not here. Try another castle.

Photo of a passenger train that is captioned as being in the platform at Kew. A bit hard to verify, but the topography seems about right.
"Jason R"
Well known photo of the last passenger train, not to Kew, but to East Kew.
  574M White Guru

Location: Shepparton
For how logn was the line elctrified? What train sserviced it?
"station street"

I don't know when it was electrified, but judging from the design of the staunchions, it would have been in the 1920s.

Previous threads here have stated that the electric service was run by a single car Swing Door. The line opened on the 19th December, 1887, so steam passenger trains also ran on the line for some time.

Clapp had a plan to extend Kew line underground to the other side of Kew Post Office and then run on the surface to Doncaster, with 5 new stations.
"574M"

Are you referring to these (in your gallery)?
[gallery=http://gallery.railpage.com.au/modules.php?set_albumName=574M&id=clapp_1&name=gallery&include=view_photo.php] [gallery=http://gallery.railpage.com.au/modules.php?set_albumName=574M&id=clapp_2&name=gallery&include=view_photo.php]
"Jason R"


Yairs, the first one. Note that Clapp planned a goods only line to join up at Fairfield. What if he had gone ahead with that?  What would be the state of our surburban system today?
  comeng_2006 Junior Train Controller

Location: Frankstoned Line
Thanks for the photos 'notch, quite interesting having a look. Does anyone have photos of other closed railway lines/stations?
  MelbourneCity Chief Commissioner

How they must regret closing that line now.
  standard_gauge Dr Beeching

Location: Outside the toilet, waiting for Della Bosca to come out !!


Yairs, the first one. Note that Clapp planned a goods only line to join up at Fairfield. What if he had gone ahead with that?  What would be the state of our surburban system today?
"574M"


Victoria/Melbourne would have a very complicated and dense suburban train system. Comparable to Tokyo and Osaka, population will be redistributed in a different way that likely to be favour public transport.

Connex might order some 2 cars sets for these run
  Jason R Chief Commissioner

Location: Socialist People's Republic of Yarra.
Well known photo of the last passenger train, not to Kew, but to East Kew.
"ninthnotch"

Oops. I blame it on the caption  Embarassed

Does anyone have photos of other closed railway lines/stations?
"comeng_2006"

Most of the photos can be found by searching the Public Record Office of Victoria's site here.

There were also short, electrified and now closed branch lines to Mont Park and Spring Vale Cemetery - photographs of these lines are even more rare than for the Kew line.
  ninthnotch Dr Beeching

Location: Not here. Try another castle.
The Goods Line is the remains of the Outer Circle line, open to East Kew for goods traffic (of which the line still did get used for up until Ihe IIRC 1942), and closed beyond, but at that stage still intact (again, World War II saw that and the section to Oakleigh ripped out).
I think it was possibly a slip-up on the cartographers.
  John of Melbourne The Ghost of George Stephenson

Location: Melbourne suburbs
For how logn was the line elctrified? What train sserviced it?

  -   Station   Street
"station street"

The line was electrified in December 1922, and closed in May 1957.

The line had a 15-minute service in 1924.

In 1930, it had a 15-minute shuttle service on weekdays, and a 20-minute shuttle service on Sundays.  This was being run with a double-ended motor car (ABM).

In 1937, the evening peak through services were withdrawn.

In 1939, buses replaced most off-peak services.

In 1952, the rail passenger services were withdrawn.  The following year, the weekend bus services were withdrawn.

In 1954, the weekday off-peak bus services were withdrawn, and in 1956, all remaining bus services were withdrawn.
  penov Chief Commissioner

Location: By the shore of Bass Strait.
The photo of  loco Ry469 and one carriage is not at Kew, it was the last steam "Deepdene Dasher" about 1926 which ran between Deepdene and Riversdale on the Outer Circle. For one year after that, the "Dasher" was two AEC  rail motors coupled back to back., so that it was driver only, who changed ends at both Deepdene and the lower level platform at East Camberwell. But costs were still too high and the service closed in 1927.

Also the photo of Hawthorn station former platform 1 ( now reversed to be platform 3) was, up to the closure, the Kew line platform only. It joined the Box Hill tracks at the Melbourne end of Hawthorn platforms. The left hand track under the bridge was an extension of the Hawthorn goods sidings.
Actually the building and bridge to the island platform at Hawthorn I beleive came from the old Flinders st station prior to the building of  the present FSS around 1909-10.
  METROL Chief Train Controller

Location: Melbourne,Vic


Yairs, the first one. Note that Clapp planned a goods only line to join up at Fairfield. What if he had gone ahead with that?  What would be the state of our surburban system today?
"574M"


Victoria/Melbourne would have a very complicated and dense suburban train system. Comparable to Tokyo and Osaka, population will be redistributed in a different way that likely to be favour public transport.

Connex might order some 2 cars sets for these run
"james_c"


also to add we wouldnt have to be bringing up any doncaster related transport/future masterplans
which still present governments struggle with getting off the ground

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