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METROL Chief Train Controller

Location: Melbourne,Vic

Bunzels need to die.

- ninthnotch

I agree, but the best way to do it would be burn all the buses.  Twisted Evil

- EvanC



Then are we going to build railway lines and stations to everybody's front doors to compensate for not having feeder buses to their local station?? Rolling EyesRazz

what would be the logic in charging $15 for the skybus i would expect to pay around $4.50 or $6.00

- 6002T-5002M-5000M-6000T



Because it's run by a private company with a minimal government subsidy who is trying to make a profit, which has to run services 24 hours, 7 days, every day of the year. Plus if your going on a big trip and paying $2000 for your airfare, whats $15 going to matter?

- Somebody in the WWW

that then settles the case but i still think it's overpriced

 
jordan199 Junior Train Controller

It's good to have a look at some of the dis-used lines from Melbournes past.

Thanks for sharing Smile

 
ninthnotch Dr Beeching

Location: Not here. Try another castle.

Glad to help.

Now what can we find for Mont Park?  From PROV:

Steel masts, apparently on Mont Park line.  I'll believe the first one (the derail  is an indicator), but the middle two - I' not sure, unless it is at Macleod, as Mont Park had no fixed signalling.

 
PalmerEldritch Say goodnight to the bad guy

Location: Princes Park, Carlton

And to think this line still existed when Latrobe Uni was under construction.....

What a waste.

 
pawanoro Deputy Commissioner

Steel masts, apparently on Mont Park line. I'll believe the first one (the derail is an indicator), but the middle two - I' not sure, unless it is at Macleod, as Mont Park had no fixed signalling.

- ninthnotch

'notch, I'm fairly sure that signal is the Mont Park up home at Macleod.

 
Ben-P19 Chief Commissioner

Location: Greensborough, Vic

I think Parwanoro is right because if I am thinking of the right spot then that building (now a disused shop) you can see in the background of the two photos with the signal still exists on the corner of MacNamara Cherry and Wungan Streets.

 
standard_gauge Dr Beeching

Location: Outside the toilet, waiting for Della Bosca to come out !!

And to think this line still existed when Latrobe Uni was under construction.....

What a waste.

- PalmerEldritch

And imaging if they extend it further 1km, they would get to La Trobe, further 3km, they'd get to Bundoora center, another 3km, Bundoora RMIT(6000 students) and finish at Mill Park Stable shoppping center.

 
ninthnotch Dr Beeching

Location: Not here. Try another castle.

Sadly, even recent opportunities have escaped with the redevelopment of the Mont Park site (who on earth would want to live in a former mental home anyway?) and I'm guessing the yard and alignment bulldozed..

 
574M - Moderator White Guru

Location: Shepparton

Thanks for posting those images, Ninthnotch.

I had seen Mont Park Yard, but never the line itself.

So ta very muchly.

Very Happy

 
John of Melbourne The Ghost of George Stephenson

Location: Melbourne suburbs

It's not Barkers Road, or Hawthorn Grove, they seemed to on the level.

- wongm



Correct.  The 1927 Grades Diagram book shows the only two level crossings on the line being at each end of Barker station.

 
PalmerEldritch Say goodnight to the bad guy

Location: Princes Park, Carlton

And to think this line still existed when Latrobe Uni was under construction.....

What a waste.

- PalmerEldritch



And imaging if they extend it further 1km, they would get to La Trobe, further 3km, they'd get to Bundoora center, another 3km, Bundoora RMIT(6000 students) and finish at Mill Park Stable shoppping center.

- james_c

And from there to South Morass and all the way to Whittlesea  Wink

Sadly, even recent opportunities have escaped with the redevelopment of the Mont Park site (who on earth would want to live in a former mental home anyway?) and I'm guessing the yard and alignment bulldozed.

- ninthnotch



Even sadder that no-one with a say in these sort of decisions thought it was worth re-instating the spur to serve Springthorpe Estate and Latrobe Uni, whilst the opportunity still existed.

 
wongm GEEWONG

Location: Geelong, Victoria

It's not Barkers Road, or Hawthorn Grove, they seemed to on the level.

- wongm



Correct.  The 1927 Grades Diagram book shows the only two level crossings on the line being at each end of Barker station.

- John of Melbourne



This doesn't show the bridges, but does have Barker and Kew stations:
http://www.victorianrailways.net/signaling/completedia/kewdia.html

 
Ben-P19 Chief Commissioner

Location: Greensborough, Vic

Sadly, even recent opportunities have escaped with the redevelopment of the Mont Park site (who on earth would want to live in a former mental home anyway?) and I'm guessing the yard and alignment bulldozed..

- ninthnotch

Part of the alignment is still there along with a few cut off stanchion bases. The yard area itself is now a park. Last time I walked the alignment though it had been fenced off as part of a revegetation area, although from memory it's still accessible from the Macleod end without the need to jump fences.

 
ninthnotch Dr Beeching

Location: Not here. Try another castle.

Had a late-night look at the three bridge locations; Chrystobel Cres and Mary St have noticeably subsided where the cutting and bridges were.  

The photo in the Whereizzit was I think taken from Kinkora Rd.

 
ninthnotch Dr Beeching

Location: Not here. Try another castle.

One more picture from the Archives:

D3 659 on the ARHS ICK and WGLE tour at Kew station, 7th July 1959.

 
wongm GEEWONG

Location: Geelong, Victoria

I happpened to be digging around last night as well.

From Newsrail, December 1989, P.364, "Swing Door Motors" by J L N Southern

162ABM-31T-48M at Kew 6.1.1938 (J Southern)

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162ABM at Hawthorn, 22.11.1937. Centre track is the run around track, the shuttle car storage is on the far right. (J Southern)

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The last Saturday morning seven car Tait through train to Kew, 12:20, 27.11.1937. 371M-243T-89G-288M-218T-209D-234M (J Southern)

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The last photo would be the most interesting to me. The caption says it is a Kew bound train, and the orientation of the Tait fits (with the block vs. unit)

I'm not sure if that is a billboard behind the last car, which might make a level crossing there. If so, then the photo could be the train after leaving Barkers Road, and arriving at Kew.

Another possibility is that is just past the junction - the staunchions are wider in the background, and the cutting seems to be getting deeper - so the photo could have been taken from one of the road bridges, possibly Linda Cres. Thinking about it more, the open land to the right seems to fit the park there as well.

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ninthnotch Dr Beeching

Location: Not here. Try another castle.

No, it's definitely entering the cuttings from Linda Street; the curvature is too tight for the entrance into Kew station, and for it to be exiting that curve, it would have Barker station in the background.

 
mars69 Station Master

Location: Cranbourne, VIC

Have a look at this map and you'll notice that the level crossings were at barkers rd, hawthorn grove, (possibly) kinkora st and mary st. the rail underpasses were at (possibly) kinkora st, chrystobel cr, and linda cr. My guess (judging by the curve) would be that the picture was taken from crystobel crescent road overpass (approx), looking towards the linda crescent road overpass. (Rail line heading toward Hawthorn) That seems like the only logical answer to this 'mystery'. i hope! LOL

http://www.prov.vic.gov.au/images/12903/12903-p00001-000709-020.asp

 
mars69 Station Master

Location: Cranbourne, VIC

By the way, to view the following kew area map pic...you will need a browser with a zoom function or similar!

http://www.prov.vic.gov.au/images/12903/12903-p00001-000709-020.asp

 
penov Chief Commissioner

Location: By the shore of Bass Strait.

Theer were only two level crossings on the Kew line - at each end of Barker station - Hawthorn Grove and Barkers Road . Both were operated from  a gate well in a little alcove at each extreme end of the platform by station  staff. In the 1940's when the train only ran in peak hours, Hawthorn Grove gates were permanently closed to road traffic during train running times - access for the few vehicles using petrol in  the WW2 rationing was by detouring through a side street. Barkers Road gates were operated normally. Kinkora Rd had an overbridge.

 
MelbourneCity Chief Commissioner

Can you follow the trail of the old line these days?

 
ninthnotch Dr Beeching

Location: Not here. Try another castle.

Can you follow the trail of the old line these days?

- MelbourneCity

From the point of divergence to Hawthorn Grove (the up end of the former Barker station) is a linear park, so yes.  However as Barker Station is now the California Motor Inn and the approach to Kew is a private VicRoads driveway, this may prove more difficult.

 
wongm GEEWONG

Location: Geelong, Victoria

Can you follow the trail of the old line these days?

- MelbourneCity

From the point of divergence to Hawthorn Grove (the up end of the former Barker station) is a linear park, so yes.  However as Barker Station is now the California Motor Inn and the approach to Kew is a private VicRoads driveway, this may prove more difficult.

- ninthnotch

At Barkers Road the Vicroads driveway has a big gate over it (that you can look though) but you can access it from the Kew end (that's how the cars get in) but it is private land. You can also see it pretty well from the adjacent private school ovals, but once again it is more private land.

The Motor Inn has a gate onto Hawthorn Grove but they lock it. The Barkers Road end has a driveway in, but that's all private land as well.

 
MelbourneCity Chief Commissioner

Can you follow the trail of the old line these days?

- MelbourneCity

From the point of divergence to Hawthorn Grove (the up end of the former Barker station) is a linear park, so yes.  However as Barker Station is now the California Motor Inn and the approach to Kew is a private VicRoads driveway, this may prove more difficult.

- ninthnotch



Now that I think of it, I've walked that route on sunset in a tipsy state to the Kew Depot.

 

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