Green Ps - NSW Provisional 2 Driver's License test

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Maikha - Moderator Not a gunzel

Hi all

This morning, walked into the RTA nearby, and 45 minutes later, walked out of the RTA, missing $68, the number 1 after the word Provisional altered to 2 (Cause this new license is identical!), five plastic Green P plates, and now being able to travel 10 more kph on my cap - Finally got my Green Ps.

Yay  Rolling Eyes

No seriously, I don't get it. Fair go, I respect the reasoning and principle behind the Hazard Perception Test, but what I don't get is why is it done after someone spends a term driving solo on a provisional license, and not before it, very much combined with the Driving Ability Road Test?

They're teaching us to practice looking for hazards and pacing ourselves around other vehicles and hazards and stuff, but shouldn't this be done before the young (Or not so young) driver gets let loose on their Red Ps and starts driving all over the place?

Secondly, I felt it wasn't an adequate testing process with some of these scenarios on the computer screen, as the resolution of the videos they used weren't high, and really distorted the 'hazard' that we had to look for, compared to being out there in the real world and scanning with your natural eyesight.

Like the 'practice' question where you're about to hit some stupid woman who swerves her pram all over the kurb before randomly pushing it infront of your car. She appears as a dark object until a virtual 15m then suddenly brightens into view and jumps infront of you, cause that caught me out!

No I'm not ranting on the basis of cost, because the cost of licensing is nothing compared to purchasing and running a car. I just fail to see the logic in the way NSW carries out this licensing system and many other things associated to it, and I'm sure others who have been put through it, would agree.

Feel free to comment, be civil.

 
42101 Banned

Location: Banned

Congrats mate Very Happy , you should have aimed at the woman in the practise run just like in GTA game.

Seriously well done and keep safe.

 
TheLoadedDog Minister for Railways

I don't know.

I got my licence back in the 80s, and even then I felt the system was unfair.   These days, I want to see all young drivers rounded up and shot.

The harsh testing seems to make it difficult and expensive for good people, and yet the roads are full of 20 year old asreholes terrorising folks.

As I said, I don't know the answer.  Seems you can't legislate away the desire of some young men to kill themselves and others, and you certainly can't do it without inconveniencing the majority of young drivers who do the right thing.

I'm skeptical of those tests anyway.  Experience is what you need.  I don't know how many times I've been driving along, and there's been a perfectly decent looking car in front of me.  Not a hoon machine, and not driving dangerously.  Just a person driving along, but I get that sixth sense - "this person is about to do something unexpected and stupid.  I'll back off a bit."  And they invariably DO.  That's experience.  Hazard perception tests won't give you that.

 
rherkes Chief Commissioner

Once you get your red P's you don't have to drive anymore as all the tests are on the computer. Go figure.

I have my red P's but haven't driven since early Feburary. I don't need to anymore. I used to go to the Sydney Summer series on Wednesday when I would use the car and I would pick my brother up on Monday from his sport, but now I have evening classes on Monday and Wednesday so I don't drive there anymore (Sydney summer series is now over anyway). Work and Uni are in the city and although it only takes 20 minutes to drive to work compared to 90 minutes by Public Transport, I still catch Public transport as it is a fifth of the cost.

Congratulations on getting your green P's.

 
Nexas The Ghost of George Stephenson

In Victoria, the Hazard Perception Test is done as part of getting your L plates, infact it is the main component of doing so, and obviously comes before 98% of people get behind the wheel of a car for the first time.

 
rherkes Chief Commissioner

I was driving before I got my L's. I wasn't on the road, I was just driving round in an old bomb on my grand parent's farm. I only crashed once! I hit the side of the shed as I was driving back in to park it.

 
M_Train Chief Train Controller

Location: Mulgrave, Melbourne, Victoria

In Victoria, the Hazard Perception Test is done as part of getting your L plates, infact it is the main component of doing so, and obviously comes before 98% of people get behind the wheel of a car for the first time.

- Nexas

Actually the Hazard Perception test is part of getting your P's, You need to complete a computerised multiple choice theroy test to get your L plates. L Plate souce  P Plate Source

However a new licencing system is gradually being introduced soon to include Green P's

Linky

 
EvanC Chief Plonker

Location: Bayswater, Victoria



However a new licencing system is gradually being introduced soon to include Green P's

Linky

- M_Train

But, thankfully, it won't have stupid speed restrictions and stuff like NSW. I'm on my Ls and I've already practiced (legally) at 110km/h. Safely, too, because I had a supervising driver that was able to guide me through it and monitor my driving. It's impossible (legally) in NSW - god knows why.

 
bunza Deputy Commissioner

Location: Gold Coast

Back when I was on my Queensland L's, I tried driving to Murwillumbah on the old Pacific Highway at 80km/h. It was difficult to keep to the speed as you're not going with the flow, it pissed off the people behind you who had little opportunity to overtake on the busy road anyway, and it was ultimately more dangerous.

Next time I'm in NSW on my P's... stuff that! I'm pleading ignorance.

 
pete_c Train Controller

Location: Bored at Work

You'll also find that to go from you P2 licence to your Full licence there is another HPT and some more general questions called Driver qualification Test (DQT) which I would have though you should know from the beginning of your driving experience not 3 years after your already on the road. Bang Head

From the RTA website
http://www.rta.nsw.gov.au/licensing/gettingalicence/car/full_licence.html?llid=5

Getting a full licence

The DQT is a combination of an advanced hazard perception test and a further test of knowledge on road rules and safe driving.

- A user

So Maikha in two years time you get to do it all again. Very HappyRolling Eyes

By the way congrats. Clap

Pete

 
wongm GEEWONG

Location: Geelong, Victoria

Meh - I get my full licence in a few months.

Although, the only things that change is not needing to display P plates (which I forget to do since I share the car with other people) and not having to have a 0.00 BAC (but when I drink I stay at a mate's place anyway) so it doesn't really mean much change... Cool

 
Nexas The Ghost of George Stephenson

Actually the Hazard Perception test is part of getting your P's, You need to complete a computerised multiple choice theroy test to get your L plates. L Plate souce  P Plate Source

- M_Train

Ahhh yes, I was mixing my two tests up. Silly me! Razz

 
B 67 Chief Commissioner

Location: Central Gippsland

Back when I was on my Queensland L's, I tried driving to Murwillumbah on the old Pacific Highway at 80km/h. It was difficult to keep to the speed as you're not going with the flow, it smegged off the people behind you who had little opportunity to overtake on the busy road anyway, and it was ultimately more dangerous.

Next time I'm in NSW on my P's... stuff that! I'm pleading ignorance.

- bunza

I may be wrong, but wouldn't the speed restrictions be a condition of the NSW L licence/permit? If so, it shouldn't affect L (or P) platers from other states driving in NSW as that restriction is not part of their conditions.

 
E1109 Minister for Railways

Location: Bright sunny Darwin

To all the people who venture into the NT with green "P" plates:


WE LAUGH AT YOU...
we really do.

Fair dinkum, your states of origin must be that over regulated with morons that I dare not set the wheels of the mighty Hilux into either Victoria or New South Wales with the fear that I have broken some unwritten road rule for some obscure reason that will see me sent to the can for umpteen years.

 
psr85 Chief Commissioner

Location: Sandringham Line, Melbourne

Meh - I get my full licence in a few months.

Although, the only things that change is not needing to display P plates (which I forget to do since I share the car with other people) and not having to have a 0.00 BAC (but when I drink I stay at a mate's place anyway) so it doesn't really mean much change... Cool

- wongm

Full license is beneficial because, if you drink the night before, then go to drive the next day, chances are you might still have something in your system, and bye-bye license.

Not displaying your P-plates is a 3 demerit point offense. On P's you only get 5 demerits to play with, so forget your P's and get caught just twice, bye-bye license.

Without P's people don't stay as clear any more... they don't mind tailgating you as much, or so I've found.

 
mbrowne1045 Mr Hella

Location: Waiting to jump on the bandwagon to Greenbank

Back when I was on my Queensland L's, I tried driving to Murwillumbah on the old Pacific Highway at 80km/h. It was difficult to keep to the speed as you're not going with the flow, it smegged off the people behind you who had little opportunity to overtake on the busy road anyway, and it was ultimately more dangerous.

Next time I'm in NSW on my P's... stuff that! I'm pleading ignorance.

- bunza

A MESSAGE TO EVERYONE HERE

You adbide by the restrictions ON YOUR LICENCE CLASS that are set by the STATE OF ISSUE. Bunza, your able to do whatever the posted speed limit is on any road in Australia. And you don't have to display P plates. Straight from the RTA and NSW Police Force mouth. Makes it good overtaking green P's in the Dunnydore on the Murwillumbah Bypass/Pacific Mwy

 
B 67 Chief Commissioner

Location: Central Gippsland

Back when I was on my Queensland L's, I tried driving to Murwillumbah on the old Pacific Highway at 80km/h. It was difficult to keep to the speed as you're not going with the flow, it smegged off the people behind you who had little opportunity to overtake on the busy road anyway, and it was ultimately more dangerous.

Next time I'm in NSW on my P's... stuff that! I'm pleading ignorance.

- bunza

A MESSAGE TO EVERYONE HERE

You adbide by the restrictions ON YOUR LICENCE CLASS that are set by the STATE OF ISSUE. Bunza, your able to do whatever the posted speed limit is on any road in Australia. And you don't have to display P plates. Straight from the RTA and NSW Police Force mouth. Makes it good overtaking green P's in the Dunnydore on the Murwillumbah Bypass/Pacific Mwy

- mbrowne1045

Just as I thought.  

A couple of years ago the local policeman here was in NSW with his daughter driving on L plates. They were travelling at about 100km/h and wondering why so many were honking and flashing lights at them.  Wink

 

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