Melbourne Suburban freight

 
  Ben-P19 Chief Commissioner

Location: Greensborough, Vic
One thing that I've been wondering for a while is whether the CM's used the parcels dock at Flinders Street. The headshunt (as it is today at any rate) seems too short to hold just a single CM, let alone anything longer.  The headshunt ends relatively close to edge of the building below and so it does not appear that it has been shortened at all.

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  Riccardo Minister for Railways

Location: Gone. Don't bother PMing here.
Yes I think this headshunt has troubled many railfans - too short for anything other than self-propelled single car to use, and even then teetering above Banana Alley
  Melbournesparks Chief Commissioner

Location: City of Eltham
Yeah, I've often wondered about that. It would have been annoying when multiple parcles vans had to be seperated to get into the parcles dock. and what if one failed in there? Push?
  John of Melbourne The Ghost of George Stephenson

Location: Melbourne suburbs
One thing that I've been wondering for a while is whether the CM's used the parcels dock at Flinders Street. The headshunt (as it is today at any rate) seems too short to hold just a single CM, let alone anything longer.  The headshunt ends relatively close to edge of the building below and so it does not appear that it has been shortened at all.
"Ben-P19"

The parcels coaches did use it, and they did fit in the existing headshunt.  Probably only one at a time though!
  Ben-P19 Chief Commissioner

Location: Greensborough, Vic
One thing that I've been wondering for a while is whether the CM's used the parcels dock at Flinders Street. The headshunt (as it is today at any rate) seems too short to hold just a single CM, let alone anything longer.  The headshunt ends relatively close to edge of the building below and so it does not appear that it has been shortened at all.
"Ben-P19"

The parcels coaches did use it, and they did fit in the existing headshunt.  Probably only one at a time though!
"John of Melbourne"


Thanks for that. I just looked on the Elecrail webpage which lists the length of both  of their CMs as being 18.8 metres. So I guess the headshunt would be around about 19 - 20 metres long.
  Ben-P19 Chief Commissioner

Location: Greensborough, Vic
All through this topic I haven't seen any mention of Bell. Until recently, in the last 6 months or so, there was a hopper like structure which had briquetes scattered underneath it. Judging by the overhead stanchions there was once a yard, the only remnant of which now is the unwired siding which is occasionally used by track machines. The rest of the area is taken up by the Mainco area at the immediate up end of the station. When I was there in December there was evidence of a business of some description operating out of the building next to the yard. Does anybody know anything at all about goods traffic to Bell?

These images taken on December 8 2003 explain what I'm talking about.

http://www.alphalink.com.au/~smithb/misc/Bell_1.jpg
http://www.alphalink.com.au/~smithb/misc/Bell_2.jpg
  John of Melbourne The Ghost of George Stephenson

Location: Melbourne suburbs
Bell certainly had goods sidings, but I couldn't tell you anything about the traffic.
  Ben-P19 Chief Commissioner

Location: Greensborough, Vic
Maybe a better question for me to ask would what would have been a typical goods train on the Epping line, from say the 60's to 80's.

It appeared that briquettes were still being delivered by road and stored on the site of the Bell goods yard in late 2003. Whether or not this a continuation of goods trains that once existed is another question. It also has occurred to me that being near to what used to P.A.N.C.H. (Preston and Northcote Community Hospital closed by Jeff 10ish years ago) that Bell may have been the transshipment point for goods destined there over the years, including Briquettes for furnaces etc.
  triman Locomotive Fireman

It's been a while since this thread was active but I'm going through old stuff.
I lived beside the Upfield line near Batman station in the 50s and 60s.
I can recall the occassional freight heading to the Lincoln Mills just down and to the west of Batman station.
Coburg had a small but complex yard with a fuel merchant selloing mallee roots and a 3-leg derrick. There was also a siding into the substation at the down end.
Brunswick plaster mills had a couple of sidings, somewhere near Jewell, Anstey or thereabouts/
And there was an extensive network of sidings just down of Moreland near Tinning (sp), street.
  AJW Train Controller

Location: Melbourne
As this is resurrected, here are some 1960's photos of suburban goods:
 B76 at Mooroolbark
B62 at Croydon in 1969
  HardWorkingMan Chief Commissioner

Location: Echuca
I remember passing E Class at Darling shunting sidings where the works depot (or compound) now is while catching a train into the city when I was a kid in the 1970's.

I think the load was mainly briquettes.  Is my memory right?
  penov Chief Commissioner

Location: By the shore of Bass Strait.
Yes, as well as at Darling, there was also a siding at Tooronga on the south side of the station. During the 1950s there were truck loads of firewood, particularly mallee roots, as well as briquettes. Also on the north side of the line at Tooronga was the Malvern City Council depot siding, and a variety of material for road making used to be delivered there.  The electric 1100 class locos only had the letter "E" added from about the 1960s after all the E class steam shunters had been scrapped.
  John of Melbourne The Ghost of George Stephenson

Location: Melbourne suburbs
I remember passing E Class at Darling shunting sidings where the works depot (or compound) now is while catching a train into the city when I was a kid in the 1970's.

I think the load was mainly briquettes.  Is my memory right?
"HardWorkingMan"

The date's okay; the last Darling goods ran in 1974.
  Dreadnought Assistant Commissioner

Location: Oooh, look! [Pointing upwards] An eagle!!
One thing that I've been wondering for a while is whether the CM's used the parcels dock at Flinders Street. The headshunt (as it is today at any rate) seems too short to hold just a single CM, let alone anything longer.  The headshunt ends relatively close to edge of the building below and so it does not appear that it has been shortened at all.
"Ben-P19"


Yes - I can remember seeing two or three CMs loading up in the dock in the early 1980's.  Nowadays, the area is called the Milk Dock amongst Connex employees.
Cheers,
Dreadnought
  Daryl Junior Train Controller

Location: Carrum Downs
Historically speaking the yards at Toorak and Malvern were built on level ground before the stations were sunk into a cutting, the Toorak yard stayed where it was and the Malvern yard was lowered to the cutting level
  potatoinmymouth Chief Commissioner

The title says Railway Archaeology, not Forum Archaeology!

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