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blakjak
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Posted: Sat May 19, 2007 10:24 am
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| Oldfart wrote: | | Apparently between the Heads is one of the shallower points of the Harbour for a tunnel. |
It's actually the deepest point, however depth is required to build a submerged tunnel. Avergae depth for Sydney Harbor is 9m, teh depth at the heads is 23m, enough room to put a tunnel & still allow large ships to pass.
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remotemants
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Posted: Sat May 19, 2007 11:42 am
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In today's Manly Daily (19/5/07), on the Warringah Council's notices page, the 'Administrator's Report to Residents' spoke about the $59 million that was promised for the Spit Bridge - it mentioned the Northern Beaches line briefly...
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Further funding of public transport initiatives is also important when considering how Warringah links to the wider city. It is very unlikely that the mooted Dee Why to Chatswood rail line will ever be constructed so more attention needs to be paid to improve public transport along the Warringah Road corridor to Chatswood.
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Oldfart
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Posted: Sat May 19, 2007 12:40 pm
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| DHT wrote: | That would be an interesting idea, and would certainly provide some interesting opportunities in the future but I just don't think governmennt is innovative enough, unfortunately.
As for the river metro, the only section I would doubt is the kingsford to Sydenham. That section barely supports the 357 bus service as it is. Otherwise agree totally. |
You're quite right, "innovation" and "government" especially state government are almost mutually exclusive concepts. But, as a pure optimist, I keep mentioning the River and Central metros wherever and whenever I think there's an opportunity that it keeps the idea alive to someone. somewhere who can help make it actually happen.
The Kingsford to Sydenham stretch is certainly through a much sparser area, but perhaps what Christie had in mind was a quicker connection to the Airport and the growing Green Square employment area from the eastern suburbs (change at Mascot), and for tying off each end neatly at a major Cityrail station.
The Sydenham connection also gives the opportunity for passengers inbound on the Illawarra, Campbelltown Express and Bankstown lines to connect to the eastern suburbs or the Central metro without going into the city. (Central Metro is Cronulla - Miranda - Brighton - International - Sydenham - Enmore - Newtown - Uni Syd - Glebe - Haymarket - Wynyard - Walsh Bay - Victoria Cross - Chatswood and on to Dee Why - less of a "goer" in my view, but the Sydenham to Chatswood segment is interesting.)
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Oldfart
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Posted: Sat May 19, 2007 12:44 pm
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| blakjak wrote: | | Oldfart wrote: | | Apparently between the Heads is one of the shallower points of the Harbour for a tunnel. |
It's actually the deepest point, however depth is required to build a submerged tunnel. Avergae depth for Sydney Harbor is 9m, teh depth at the heads is 23m, enough room to put a tunnel & still allow large ships to pass. |
You could be right mate; it's not something I actually checked out. Apart from which, it struck me that the line to Bondi Junction is already heavily loaded during the peak in its own right.
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icdog
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Posted: Sat May 19, 2007 1:00 pm
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| remotemants wrote: | In today's Manly Daily (19/5/07), on the Warringah Council's notices page, the 'Administrator's Report to Residents' spoke about the $59 million that was promised for the Spit Bridge - it mentioned the Northern Beaches line briefly...
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Further funding of public transport initiatives is also important when considering how Warringah links to the wider city. It is very unlikely that the mooted Dee Why to Chatswood rail line will ever be constructed so more attention needs to be paid to improve public transport along the Warringah Road corridor to Chatswood.
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Railcorp does have an unfunded plan to connect Woy Woy with Palm Beach then continue to either Chatswood or Nth Sydney underground. This is one of the lines the OScar was going to run on, with 25Kv overhead and a 160 kp/h speed limit. This proposal was cited in the OSCar tender doc's.
Advanced thinking, shame about the lack of state gov funding.
It was more to do with a new line to the north rather than provide a rail line to the northern beaches. This was just a convenient side benefit.
Doesn't matter what you say, nothing comes close to the TGV!
Especially at 574.8 kp/h.
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remotemants
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Posted: Sat May 19, 2007 1:03 pm
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| icdog wrote: | | remotemants wrote: | In today's Manly Daily (19/5/07), on the Warringah Council's notices page, the 'Administrator's Report to Residents' spoke about the $59 million that was promised for the Spit Bridge - it mentioned the Northern Beaches line briefly...
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Further funding of public transport initiatives is also important when considering how Warringah links to the wider city. It is very unlikely that the mooted Dee Why to Chatswood rail line will ever be constructed so more attention needs to be paid to improve public transport along the Warringah Road corridor to Chatswood.
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Railcorp does have an unfunded plan to connect Woy Woy with Palm Beach then continue to either Chatswood or Nth Sydney underground. This is one of the lines the OScar was going to run on, with 25Kv overhead and a 160 kp/h speed limit. This proposal was cited in the OSCar tender doc's.
Advanced thinking, shame about the lack of state gov funding.
It was more to do with a new line to the north rather than provide a rail line to the northern beaches. This was just a convenient side benefit. |
Thats a pretty interesting proposal - where can i see this?
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icdog
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Posted: Sat May 19, 2007 1:09 pm
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I don't know where you can see the tender doc's now but the rest came from conversation with planning engineers. Railcorp has a lot of plans but, unfortunately, all with no funding.
Doesn't matter what you say, nothing comes close to the TGV!
Especially at 574.8 kp/h.
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Oldfart
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Posted: Sat May 19, 2007 1:17 pm
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Railcorp does have an unfunded plan to connect Woy Woy with Palm Beach then continue to either Chatswood or Nth Sydney underground. This is one of the lines the OScar was going to run on, with 25Kv overhead and a 160 kp/h speed limit. This proposal was cited in the OSCar tender doc's.
Advanced thinking, shame about the lack of state gov funding.
It was more to do with a new line to the north rather than provide a rail line to the northern beaches. This was just a convenient side benefit. |
That is interesting. The Christie diagram certainly shows a new Central - Park St - Wynyard - Victoria Cross - Chatswood - Woy Woy - Newcastle line, but it displays it as a direct line between Chatwood and Woy Woy, rather than paralleling the Central metro to Dee Why. It's also unclear to what extent the Central to Chatswood section uses new tracks and tunnels or shares paths with other lines displayed.
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Simes_mk2
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Posted: Sat May 19, 2007 3:43 pm
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The Kingsford to Sydenham stretch is certainly through a much sparser area, but perhaps what Christie had in mind was a quicker connection to the Airport and the growing Green Square employment area from the eastern suburbs (change at Mascot), and for tying off each end neatly at a major Cityrail station.
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Possibly Christie was using the old "build it and they will come" approach? I know when they built the east hills line they were building it through a semi rural area!
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