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ParkesHub
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Posted: Thu Aug 09, 2007 8:28 am
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| Article by Stephen Moynihan in The Age wrote: |
MELBOURNE'S forefathers have always been mindful of the city's future needs.
Decades ago, road planners reserved a huge tract of land from Ringwood to Frankston. It's now the EastLink freeway.
And the same can be said for today's rail engineers.
The Age can reveal what one day could be Melbourne's rail network. A leaked copy of the blueprint, "Transit Opportunities Kept Open", envisages a plethora of new rail lines and the reopening of several old ones.
There's no funding for any of the projects; they're just options for future governments to consider.
Under the blueprint, tracks might connect Chadstone shopping centre to the Dandenong and Glen Waverley lines and trains could run to Rowville and Monash University.
The document also shows the path of the old Inner Circle and Outer Circle rail lines, when trains used to stop at North Carlton and there was a branch line to Fitzroy.
The Outer Circle was a steam-era suburban railway line running through what is today the City of Boroondara from Kew East, through Camberwell to Malvern East. It also used to run from Fairfield on the Hurstbridge line to Oakleigh.
Ironically, the site of what was once the Kew East station is now the headquarters of VicRoads.
More than 20 new potential stations are identified, including one at Southland shopping centre and several along the Cranbourne line.
There is scope to reopen the Lilydale line via Coldstream to Healesville, and connect the Frankston line with Mornington.
Options also include a north-south rail tunnel from Melbourne University to Windsor and the Melbourne Airport rail link.
No less interesting is the potential for four tracks to Dandenong, including a mix of standard and broad-gauge lines.
There's also a track running from Port Melbourne and across the Yarra to Newport.
Opposition public transport spokesman Terry Mulder said the document proved Labor was incapable of planning Melbourne's transport infrastructure, with its left hand not knowing what its right hand was doing.
"Labor has failed to construct a single new heavy rail line in Melbourne, which desperately needs the rail extensions the Liberal Party committed to in 2006 to Cranbourne East and South Morang, as well as the Rowville rail feasibility study Labor refused to recommit to despite so proposing in 1999," Mr Mulder said.
"What new heavy rail extensions will John Brumby and minister (Lynne) Kosky commit to, and when will they be funded?"
A spokeswoman for Ms Kosky, the Public Transport Minister, said: "The Brumby Government believes in expanding rail, unlike the Liberal Party whose long-term plan was to have no rail lines at all.
"Work is continually being done within the Department of Infrastructure to plan for potential infrastructure growth. Governments must have long-term vision, they must plan for the future. We don't want governments of the future to be hampered by a lack of planning," she said. "This is what good government is about." |
Good article. I can't help but think Terry Mulder's words always ring hollow.
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DalyWaters
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Posted: Thu Aug 09, 2007 8:39 am
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Having seen some of the plans from about 50 years ago that were the future scope for the next 50 years, I would say that it is essential to have some sort of forward planning document for transport throughout Melbourne.
Most of the plan will fall by the wayside over the years as priorities swirl around but what does get up is greatly assisted by some forethought.
| Quote: | Opposition public transport spokesman Terry Mulder said the document proved Labor was incapable of planning Melbourne's transport infrastructure, with its left hand not knowing what its right hand was doing.
"Labor has failed to construct a single new heavy rail line in Melbourne, which desperately needs the rail extensions the Liberal Party committed to in 2006 to Cranbourne East and South Morang, as well as the Rowville rail feasibility study Labor refused to recommit to despite so proposing in 1999," Mr Mulder said. |
Talk about the pot calling the kettle black!!!
Just imagine if we were still in the Kennett "prune it back" era, trying to cope with the upsurge of passengers!
The Labor Government's biggest mistake must be the hasty disposal of Hitachis. Otherwise, the system is struggling with current demand and needs careful planning before any line extensions can be coped with.
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prometheus_au
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Posted: Thu Aug 09, 2007 12:39 pm
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The inner circle has potentional to make a come back. The outer circle is built over in places. I thought the Chandler Hwy crossing of the Eastern Fwy was originally part of the Outer Circle. Following the land reserves in the melways seems to indicate it is.
Anyhow, major upgrades and additions are required and a whole new approach to train services should be investigated. Melbourne's spoked wheel network is fine for the CBD... but more cross city running is needed.
Although I can't see the network changing much in my lifetime.
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The Vinelander
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Posted: Thu Aug 09, 2007 12:47 pm
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Interesting the line to Tarneit is omitted, particularly when the Ravenhall siding is still clearly noticeable.
Mike.
The Vinelander, from Melbourne to Mildura was Victoria's only overnight sleeping car train which was launched 8/8/1972.
Ballan, the best town, on the best railway line, in the best state, of the best country in the World.
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Posted: Thu Aug 09, 2007 12:50 pm
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Just imagine if we were still in the Kennett "prune it back" era, trying to cope with the upsurge of passengers
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Jeff's answer to that problem would be to let us all drive cars and simply build more and bigger roads. A head-in-the-sand attitude on the short road to nowhere.
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wongm
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Posted: Thu Aug 09, 2007 1:30 pm
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| The Vinelander wrote: | | Interesting the line to Tarneit is omitted, particularly when the Ravenhall siding is still clearly noticeable. |
From the DoI's MOTC plan last year:
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| Quote: | Planning for the Future
Securing reservations for future public transport works and major
road and transport corridors will make the delivery of future
transport infrastructure faster, more timely and cost effective
when it is finally required.
The Secure Reservations for Major Transport Corridors Project
is protecting options for future transport links within the
metropolitan area.
A reservation for a future Airport Transit Link is already being put
in place. Reservations for future Epping North (Aurora) and North
Werribee (Tarneit) Transit Links will be put in place as part of this
initiative. While the transport projects under consideration are not
intended for construction for 20 years or more, action is required
now to ensure Victoria has the ability to proceed with these
projects when needed.
Funding
$40 million
Timing
Secure Reservations projects funded through Meeting Our
Transport Challenges will commence in 2007/2008. |
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PalmerEldritch
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Posted: Thu Aug 09, 2007 8:27 pm
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Apologies for the poor quality of the image, it was scanned from a photocopy I got from a work colleagues' copy of today's Age.
From the Age, p.7:
Of note:
What appears to be a freight line from Beveridge to Melbourne Airport, which then goes to the Albion Jacana line near Terror Street.
New stations on the line to Sunbury at Calder Park and Holden Road.
A rail link from Melbourne Airport to Melton via Calder Park.
On the line to Melton, new stations at Christies Road (Caroline Springs) and Toolern.
New rail link from Christies Road to Browns Road on the Werribee line via Truganina and Tarneit.
Werribee line extended to a new terminus at Browns Road and new stations at Maddox Road, Point Cook, Derrimut Road.
An extension of the Albion-Jacana line south to Point Cook, via Laverton Industrial Area.
Upfield to Somerton link.
A spur to Meadow Heights/Greenvale from Roxburgh Park.
Direct line from Newport to Southern Cross.
Reinstatement of the Inner Circle.
Upfield line continuing south from Royal Park via Melbourne Uni, Swanston Street, St Kilda Road, Windsor, and on to Caulfield.
Connection from North Brighton to Moorabbin.
Reinstatement of Rosstown Railway line from Oakleigh to Elsternwick.
Reinstatement of Outer Circle from Fairfield to Oakleigh via Alamein line and Chadstone.
New station at Southland.
Reinstatement of Baxter to Mornington line.
Hasting-Pakenham link via Clyde for freight.
Hastings to Cranbourne line freight link via Western Port Highway Reservation.
New stations on the Cranbourne line at Greens Road, Abbotts Road, Lynbrook, and new terminus in Cranbourne East.
New stations on the Pakenham line at Brunt Road and Cardinia Road.
New line Huntingdale to Rowville via Monash Uni, Waverley Park.
Glen Waverley line extension to Rowville.
Massive new Melbourne Uni-Doncaster-Ringwood-Eastlink-Frankston line.
Lilydale line, new station at Cave Hill and reinstatement of line to Healesville.
Hurstbridge line, new Allendale Road staiton at Eltham North.
Extension of Epping line to South Morang and Whittlesea.
New branch line from Lalor via Epping North, Aurora and on to Donnybrook.
New Patullos station on the Craigieburn line.
Watch out for the mighty Blues in 2008, with Judd, Stevens, Kreuzer, Cloke and Aisake
Ó hAilpín to join Fevola, Gibbs, Murphy, Carrazzo, Scotland, Fischer, Waite, Setanta
Ó hAilpín, Houlihan, Walker, Simpson, Betts and co!
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Posted: Thu Aug 09, 2007 8:42 pm
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I guess the plan is hidden because they don't want to annouce it, then found out it cost too much to do and abandon the plan.
Hey?..whatever happen to my warning level?
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668M
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Posted: Thu Aug 09, 2007 9:14 pm
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An Allendale Rd station at Eltham North would be bad news for timetabling, train frequencies and on time running on the Hurstbridge line without track duplications - although only a problem at peak hour when the Eltham - Greensborough section isn't the only pinch point. Having said that, I guess the time frame for an Allendale Rd station would be 40+ years. If only Mulder appreciated that these plans are mostly long term visions rather than election promises.
'Zing!' to Kosky's spokeswoman - I seem to recall Kennett wanting to shut down a number of rail lines! That would have been great planning  - so its a bit rich to have a go at Brumby for poor planning!
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psr85
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chi01
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jarf
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Posted: Thu Aug 09, 2007 10:33 pm
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A one-station spur to Meadow Heights is really the icing on top of the stupidity cake...
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ZH836301
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Posted: Thu Aug 09, 2007 10:59 pm
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Probably care of the geniuses in the Hume planning department - they gorge on the stupid cake.
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Melbournesparks
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Posted: Thu Aug 09, 2007 11:17 pm
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The Allandale road station has long been campaigned for by the locals, but I don't imagine anything will happen until Greensborough - Hurstbridge is re signaled and Diamond Creek becomes remotely controlled from Eltham.
Eltham to Allandale road is about 3.1km, and the surrounding countryside has been gradually filled in with suburbs in recent years so such a station would certainly be convenient. Eltham to Diamond Creek is about 5.23km.
"I thought plan B was set something on fire..."
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Skipdaddyo
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Posted: Fri Aug 10, 2007 12:43 am
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I'm relatively certain that the stupidity cake is in fact a magic pudding... there's more than enough to go around 
a) It's a road not a carpark
b) What's any of this got to do with beer?
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