Child abandoned at Southern Cross Station

 
  PalmerEldritch Say goodnight to the bad guy

Location: Princes Park, Carlton
Found at: http://www.news.com.au/heraldsun/story/0,21985,22424505-661,00.html

Tot abandoned at Southern Cross railway station
Liam Houlihan
September 16, 2007 12:00am


Security camera footage shows the man arriving at Southern Cross station about 10am yesterday holding the hand of the young girl ... and walking from the station minutes later without her.

A MAN has abandoned a toddler at one of Melbourne's busiest train stations. The little girl lost, dubbed "Pumpkin" by police, was walked on to a platform at Southern Cross station yesterday then left alone.

Police believe the Asian man seen holding her hand in video footage was known to the girl, who appeared calm and relaxed.

They suspect he could be her father or uncle.

The man let go of Pumpkin's hand on the platform then took the escalator.

He left the station, on Spencer St, without her.

Police are appealing for her parents or anyone who knows the child to come forward.

Officers said the girl was happy and perky last night despite her ordeal, but she had not spoken.

She has been placed in Department of Human Services care until her relatives can be found.

Security staff found the girl, who could be as young as three, wandering by herself on the platform about 10am yesterday.

Police dubbed the girl Pumpkin after her Pumpkin Patch brand vest.

She was found wearing bright pink corduroy pants with a multi-coloured patch on the back pocket and matching green cuffs.

She was also wearing an aqua vest with red and pink diamond squares, a long-sleeved pink top, a red hooded jacket and pink and white runners.

The dark-haired man with her was wearing a grey suit jacket and black trousers and was pulling a suitcase on wheels.

Police waited for family of the girl to come forward yesterday before making their appeal for information.

The shock abandonment comes after a baby was left on the steps of Dandenong Hospital earlier this year.

Anyone who can assist in identifying Pumpkin is urged to contact Crime Stoppers on 1800 333 000.

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  Haydenthegunzel Chief Commissioner

Location: Banned
Saw it on the news this morning, so many people are abandoning children these days, and in the worse places.
  lunacyfringe Train Controller

Location: Now arriving at... Kensington.
I think thats dusgusting.
  Braddo Deputy Commissioner

Location: Narre Warren
F**king disgraceful. Why am i not surprised it was an immigrant that was responsible?

Sickening.
  alstom_888m Chief Commissioner

Location:
Well could you imagine if the police never found her. When I was 5 I went to work with my mum, we were at Museum station and I couldn't run for the train home, so she managed to get on the train and left me. Even as I 5 year old I knew what lines went where. I managed to catch a St Albans service home. Good thing the AO's (or whatever they had back then) overlooked me.

I'm assuming she wasn't a gunzel and lacked the knowledge of how to get home, shocking. Parents should be fired from parenting for that. What if she jumped on the Overland.  Shocked
  574M White Guru

Location: Shepparton
F**king disgraceful. Why am i not surprised it was an immigrant that was responsible?

Sickening.
"Braddo"


Yes, it is sickening. What price human life? Obviously not love.

All the kid knows is her name. She can't tell them her parent's name.

Braddo, you might be right, but until we find out, we have to wait. Fellow might be an Australian, in which case, we won't be able to send him home.
  574M White Guru

Location: Shepparton
Update on the ABC News website,  1 hour ago:


Melbourne toddler deliberately abandoned: police

Posted 1 hour 6 minutes ago

   * Map: Melbourne 3000

Police say a toddler found at Melbourne's Southern Cross Railway Station appears to have been deliberately abandoned.

More than 28 hours after she was discovered by security staff at the station, police are still baffled about the girl's identity.

Security footage shows her with a man at around 8am AEST yesterday, but police can not be certain it was her father.

Inspector Brad Shallies from the Transit Safety Unit says it is impossible to know why she was left behind.

"Obviously we start to now build a structure around whether it's an investigation or otherwise, but my primary focus today is not the criminality or any criminality involved," he said.

"I just want to locate some type of family."

Police and welfare officials say the three-year-old girl does not appear to be distressed about the situation.

Department of Human Services spokesman Chris Asquini says the toddler is now in short-term foster care, but it is vital they find out her family situation.
"ABC News"


URL for source: http://abc.net.au/news/stories/2007/09/16/2034073.htm?section=justin
  alstom_888m Chief Commissioner

Location:
Fellow might be an Australian, in which case, we won't be able to send him home.
"574M"
What about jail?
  Braddo Deputy Commissioner

Location: Narre Warren
F**king disgraceful. Why am i not surprised it was an immigrant that was responsible?

Sickening.
"Braddo"


Yes, it is sickening. What price human life? Obviously not love.

All the kid knows is her name. She can't tell them her parent's name.

Braddo, you might be right, but until we find out, we have to wait. Fellow might be an Australian, in which case, we won't be able to send him home.
"574M"


Police believe the Asian man seen holding her hand in video footage was known to the girl, who appeared calm and relaxed.
  psr85 Chief Commissioner

Location: Sandringham Line, Melbourne
F**king disgraceful. Why am i not surprised it was an immigrant that was responsible?

Sickening.
"Braddo"


Yes, it is sickening. What price human life? Obviously not love.

All the kid knows is her name. She can't tell them her parent's name.

Braddo, you might be right, but until we find out, we have to wait. Fellow might be an Australian, in which case, we won't be able to send him home.
"574M"


Police believe the Asian man seen holding her hand in video footage was known to the girl, who appeared calm and relaxed.
"Braddo"
Because someone is Asian 'looking' doesn't mean they are an immigrant.

Although I'm not condoning it, there may have been a reason the man did this. Perhaps he thought he couldn't look after her. Perhaps he couldn't afford to look after her. We don't know. You don't know.

There is no need for blatant racism, either.

He could have dumped her in the country, in the middle of nowhere. He obviously knew she wouldn't be left alone for too long at a place like Southern Cross.
  Nexas The Ghost of George Stephenson

F**king disgraceful. Why am i not surprised it was an immigrant that was responsible?

Sickening.
"Braddo"


And where in he article does it hint to this man being an immigrant?

There is a possibility he was born here, and there is a bigger chance he has been in this country longer than you have.

Take your racist smeg elsewhere!

Yes this is a sad story, but show some respect for gods sake!
  DirtyBallast Chief Commissioner

Location: I was here first. You're only visiting.
F**king disgraceful. Why am i not surprised it was an immigrant that was responsible?

Sickening.
"Braddo"


And where in he article does it hint to this man being an immigrant?

There is a possibility he was born here, and there is a bigger chance he has been in this country longer than you have.

Take your racist smeg elsewhere!

Yes this is a sad story, but show some respect for gods sake!
"Nexas"


Absolutely correct.

My only wish is that the lowlife who dumped her meets an immediate, but painful, death. Maybe 1500V DC.
  Braddo Deputy Commissioner

Location: Narre Warren
F**king disgraceful. Why am i not surprised it was an immigrant that was responsible?

Sickening.
"Braddo"


And where in he article does it hint to this man being an immigrant?

There is a possibility he was born here, and there is a bigger chance he has been in this country longer than you have.

Take your racist smeg elsewhere!

Yes this is a sad story, but show some respect for gods sake!
"Nexas"

You might think someone who abandons a THREE YEAR OLD girl deserves some respect, but i certainly f**king dont.

As a side note, i was in no way being racist, i was simply stating that i believe it much more likely for an immigrant to do this sort of thing rather than an australian or a member from any other "civilised" nationality.
  joffie Chief Commissioner

Location: Melbourne
Braddo, if you want to make such claims can you provide us with some backup?
  psr85 Chief Commissioner

Location: Sandringham Line, Melbourne
F**king disgraceful. Why am i not surprised it was an immigrant that was responsible?

Sickening.
"Braddo"


And where in he article does it hint to this man being an immigrant?

There is a possibility he was born here, and there is a bigger chance he has been in this country longer than you have.

Take your racist smeg elsewhere!

Yes this is a sad story, but show some respect for gods sake!
"Nexas"

You might think someone who abandons a THREE YEAR OLD girl deserves some respect, but i certainly f**king dont.

As a side note, i was in no way being racist, i was simply stating that i believe it much more likely for an immigrant to do this sort of thing rather than an australian or a member from any other "civilised" nationality.
"Braddo"
Haha, ah dear. There's a calling card of the racist. Do you even know what you just said? I think you may even be joking with us?

It's way too early to be pointing fingers. You have no idea what the circumstances are, neither do I. Perhaps he was about to be deported and wanted her to have a better life here?

Just stop the racism, you are being a pig.
  Nexas The Ghost of George Stephenson


You might think someone who abandons a THREE YEAR OLD girl deserves some respect, but i certainly f**king dont.
"Braddo"


Yes I do because until we know the full story, it is plain stupidity to be jumping to any sort of conclusions.


As a side note, i was in no way being racist, i was simply stating that i believe it much more likely for an immigrant to do this sort of thing rather than an australian or a member from any other "civilised" nationality.
"Braddo"


No you wern't, you were stating that he WAS an immigrant.

If you are saying that an Australian would not dump a baby, how about the lady who dumped her baby at Dandenong Hospital on Mothers Day, or the one who dumped her baby in Sydney a week later?

I note that you have still not pointed out where in the article it has hinted anywhere that he was not an Australian resident. Rolling Eyes

As Joffie said, please provide proof of your claims. Also, I think PSR85 summed up the opinions of us all very well. Very Happy
  loco2301 Chief Train Controller

PSR, I find it hard to see how any normal reasonable thinking person can try to make some justification for this man's actions..................
  PalmerEldritch Say goodnight to the bad guy

Location: Princes Park, Carlton
Found at: http://www.news.com.au/heraldsun/story/0,21985,22429049-2862,00.html

Pumpkin's mystery man identified
Anthony Dowsley and Mary
September 17, 2007 09:20am

POLICE say they know the identity of a man who abandoned a toddler, who has been nicknamed 'Pumpkin', at a Melbourne railway station on the weekend.

Inspector Brad Shallies said today "we are confident we know who that person is".

He told the Seven Network that a number of CrimeStoppers calls from the public yesterday led police to form a "firm scenario" about what had happened.

Insp Shallies said the girl arrived in Melbourne from New Zealand on Thursday afternoon, or evening, in company with the man who left her at the station.

The pair spent two nights in Melbourne at a city hotel before going to Southern Cross railway station about 8am on Saturday.

"We know from there that the child was left at the bottom of an escalator," Insp Shallies said.

The station's authorities believed she was able to identify a man on the security camera as a relative.

Insp Shallies said police were working to find the man, who was believed to still be in Melbourne.

The girl, dubbed "Pumpkin", has been placed in emergency foster care after she was found wandering alone the train station.

Security footage shows the girl, believed to be aged about three, hand-in-hand with a man pulling a suitcase.

The man then disappeared, leaving the girl wandering the station alone for up to 15 minutes before security staff spotted her.

A Victoria Police spokesman said that at this stage they were not releasing the name of the man they believed had abandoned Pumpkin.

Police would try to track him down before any name was publicly released, he said.

A few words in Pumpkin mystery

Since being found Pumpkin has uttered two words in English -- "yes" and "no", as the hunt for the girl's family intensified yesterday.

Police revealed she had offered one-word answers to some questions.

However her simple yes-no replies shed little light on the identity of the girl, who could be as young as three, as investigators have widened their search overseas.

The tot, dubbed Pumpkin, was abandoned by a man about 8am on Saturday.

After leaving her, he took an escalator and left the station shortly afterwards. It's believed he could be the child's father or uncle.

Pumpkin has been placed with temporary foster parents while the hunt for her family continues.

Inspector Brad Shallies said Pumpkin had been "calm and composed" since being taken into the care of police and the Department of Human Services, but she had communicated very little.

"She's said basically nothing," he said.

"She's acted like a very calm and composed little girl while with the police yesterday, but not to the extent of speaking and certainly was not able to convey her name or anything about herself."

Police have contacted the Department of Immigration and are investigating whether the girl may have travelled to Melbourne from overseas.

Interpreters were brought in to try to speak to her but were unsuccessful in getting her to talk.

Footage obtained from the station shows a man of Asian appearance casually dumping Pumpkin as he wheels a suitcase through the station.

A search of a national database has not revealed an abduction report fitting the child's description.

Pumpkin walked aimlessly around one of the station's platforms for up to 15 minutes before a security guard noticed she was alone.

One passenger, Dan West, said the girl was "by herself and in tears".

Southern Cross Station chief Phillip Walker said V-Line staff and passengers first reported the apparently lost little girl to security.

After failed attempts to communicate with Pumpkin in English, a passenger who spoke Mandarin also tried unsuccessfully to get a response.

"They weren't able to solicit any response at all," Mr Walker said.

Mr Walker said staff then took Pumpkin to the security centre at the station, where she had a drink.

When police arrived 20 minutes later, Mr Walker said they were able to have limited conversation with the girl.

"Police have interviewed all our staff involved, and they all made statements immediately" he said. Insp Shallies said it was believed the separation was deliberate.

"To walk away and not look back, of course, that's distressing," he said.

Insp Shallies said many calls had been made to Crime Stoppers but no concrete leads had been established.

"Some of the calls have indicated that they may have known where the mother is, but that has turned out not to be the case," he said.

Department of Human Services director of child protection and family services, Christina Asquini, said Pumpkin had been well cared for.

"We would be asking that her mother, her father or any extended family to make their way forward so . . . they can help us work out what's best for her in the future," she said. "It's pointless really speculating about the circumstances of why the child was left."

Police named the girl Pumpkin after her Pumpkin Patch brand vest.

The abandonment of Pumpkin follows the dumping of Baby Catherine at an entrance to Dandenong Hospital earlier this year.

Anyone who can help identify Pumpkin is urged to contact Crime Stoppers on 1800 333 000.
  PClark Chief Commissioner

A police officer interviewed on 3AW this morning stated that the child and the adult male arrived at Melbourne Airport from an unspecified Asian destination on Thursday.

He was reluctant to go into fine detail because, understandably, the case is still "work in progress."

I think that until more is in the public domain it is unwise to jump to conclusions or to make generalised statements about Asians, "Aussies" or anybody else.
  574M White Guru

Location: Shepparton
A police officer interviewed on 3AW this morning stated that the child and the adult male arrived at Melbourne Airport from an unspecified Asian destination on Thursday.

He was reluctant to go into fine detail because, understandably, the case is still "work in progress."

I think that until more is in the public domain it is unwise to jump to conclusions or to make generalised statements about Asians, "Aussies" or anybody else.
"PClark"


Interesting follow up.

Although this boggles the mind and invites all sorts of reactive comments. I agree with your wise comment above. It is better to wait and see the outcome.

Although we occasionally bicker and spat in here, the response to this thread shows we are filled with basic decent values, particularly where children and their welfare are concerned.

Hope everything turns out right for little "Pumpkin" ...
  psr85 Chief Commissioner

Location: Sandringham Line, Melbourne
PSR, I find it hard to see how any normal reasonable thinking person can try to make some justification for this man's actions..................
"loco2301"
I find it even harder to believe how many racist pigs are out there.

You've got no idea why this happened, neither do I. I'm not saying what he did was anywhere near the proper thing. What I have a problem with is the racism, the "how could anybody do this to a child" etc. No-one knows any of the circumstances yet, I don't see the point in judging this guy.

Do you remember the headline that the Daily Telegraph published when the mother abandoned her baby earlier this year? "How could she?" - that was harsh, you just don't know the mental state of anyone involved. I know I said we should stop speculating, but in the person's eyes it could have been done in the interest of the child.

I just don't understand how everyone can jump on this man, knowing nothing, saying that, I'm not supporting what he did either.
  PalmerEldritch Say goodnight to the bad guy

Location: Princes Park, Carlton
Found at: http://www.news.com.au/heraldsun/story/0,21985,22431656-5005961,00.html

Toddler dumped by dad, police believe
By Matthew Schulz, Anthony Dowsley and Mary Bolling
September 17, 2007 01:44pm

A TODDLER abandoned at a Melbourne railway station was dumped by her father before he fled to the US, police believe.

The man who took the girl to Southern Cross station in the city and left her there on Saturday was her father. He then went to the airport and got on a plane to the US, Inspector Brad Shallies said today.

The girl, aged about three, is now in foster care.

"Our belief is that he has left Australia and may now be in the United States," Insp Shallies said.

"We believe the man is the girl's father but we're not 100 per cent sure. It is one of the most intriguing cases I have been involved in," he said.

Police would not release the name of the man until they had tracked him down.

Insp Shallies said he could face criminal charges.

He said the pair flew to Melbourne from New Zealand last Thursday morning.

The child, dubbed Pumpkin by authorities, understood English and was asking for her mother, he said

Police were not sure if she spoke any other language but she and her father had New Zealand passports.

Insp Shallies said police were working with New Zealand and US authorities.

One theory was that the girl had relatives in Australia and that the father hoped someone would come forward to claim her.

"There is a real potential that there is a relative or extended family in Australia," Insp Shallies said.

He told Channel 7 earlier that a number of calls from the public yesterday led police to form a "firm scenario" about what had happened.

The pair had spent two nights at a Melbourne hotel before going to Southern Cross railway station about 8am on Saturday.

"We know from there that the child was left at the bottom of an escalator," Insp Shallies said.

The station's authorities believed the girl was able to identify a man on the security camera as a relative.

Security footage shows the girl hand-in-hand with a man pulling a suitcase.

The man then disappears, leaving the girl wandering the station alone for up to 15 minutes before security staff spotted her.

Insp Shallies said Pumpkin had been "calm and composed" since being taken into care.

Department of Human Services director of child protection and family services Christina Asquini said Pumpkin had been well cared for.

"We would be asking that her mother, her father or any extended family to make their way forward so . . . they can help us work out what's best for her in the future," she said.

- with AAP
  574M White Guru

Location: Shepparton
A sad story of abandonment is emerging in the daily papers.

Authorities in New Zealand are searching for the girl's mother:

From ABC News:
http://abc.net.au/news/stories/2007/09/18/2035869.htm?section=justin

From The Age, we have a name for the girl, she is Chinese, and her father ran a newspaper called the Chinese Times from his home in NZ.  He was in debt.  The parents were separated, reconciled, and now this.

Story in The Age:
http://www.theage.com.au/news/national/where-is-this-little-girls-mum/2007/09/17/1189881435054.html

Folks, don't jump on the racism bandwagon.

Chinese culture is different, and this sort of thing is not unknown in China. Girls are often aborted, in-utero, in China. In this land of the Southern Cross, all are equal, and thank you Bob Hawke (I never thought I would say that) we have a deeply embedded ethic of multiculturalism, and One Nation.

Your response is your expression of your very deeply held True-Aussie values, and lets keep it that way.
  standard_gauge Dr Beeching

Location: Outside the toilet, waiting for Della Bosca to come out !!
Might need to lock the thread..? looks like the "pumpkin" affair might turn into a fatal murder.
  PClark Chief Commissioner

Other than the fact that the child was abandoned in a railway station there is nothing relevant to rail in this topic.

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