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PalmerEldritch
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Posted: Tue Oct 09, 2007 7:46 pm
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Found at: http://www.meltonleader.com.au/article/2007/10/09/23350_mtv_news.html
| Quote: | Call for better public transport
Amy Walker
09Oct07
THE Public Transport Users Association is calling for increased public transport in Melton Shire.
The Getting Melbourne's Rail System Back on Track report identified the extension and electrification of the Melton train line and a station at Caroline Springs' as long-term goals.
But in the next year, the report called for six cars on all Metropolitan trains until 10pm, a review of stopping patterns, a new timetable, more trains and increased coordination with bus and rail services.
PTUA president Daniel Bowen said the train network was under-performing.
"Immediate and decisive action must be taken to handle demand," he said.
"To not grasp this opportunity to set the public transport system on a path of continuing growth is to condemn the government's 2020 goal to failure."
Cambridge ward councillor Garry Stock said the PTUA report highlighted ongoing problems with transport in Melton Shire.
"My concern for our community is that Caroline Springs is 22km from the city and you have to drive between 5 and 10km, depending on where you live, to the nearest station," Cr Stock said.
He said buses were difficult to coordinate with trains and it concerned him that Melton was the fastest growing municipality in Victoria and only had V/Line services.
Caroline Springs resident Gary Jennings said the Western Hwy was "choked to a standstill" through to Deer Park and beyond on weekdays from 6.30am.
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Posted: Tue Oct 09, 2007 8:05 pm
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Heh...
I just searched the PTUA's site, the Melton plan doesn't show under 'search'. Is it really not there, or am I just blind?
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Posted: Tue Oct 09, 2007 8:42 pm
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I can't find it either.
Just for information, here's Smart Passengers' draft policy on Melton:
| Quote: | Many people have called for the Melton line to be electrified and upgraded to the standard we expect for a suburban railway line. To the passengers on the line it was disappointing that the upgrade was not included in the government's blueprint for public transport, Meeting our Transport Challenges.
However, electrification is not necessary in order to provide a service equivalent to what the rest of the system gets. The only aspect in which it currently lags is in service frequency. By buying extra V/Locity railcars and training extra drivers, it would be possible to upgrade the Melton service to a half-hour off peak frequency or better.
Building trains and training drivers would have to be done anyway if the line were electrified. The only disadvantage of this arrangement is that the running costs will be higher due to the cost of diesel fuel. On the positive side, it can be done relatively simply and cheaply, because the V/Locity cars are still in production (so the cost of extending the order will be lower than it would otherwise be, and the lead time to delivery may be shorter). Also, the residents of Melton will not lose the comforts of long distance trains - better quality seats, on-board toilets and water fountains, and running express from Sunshine to the city. |
I'm not sure what the signalling is like. I know Bendigo was done for 20 minute headways, does anyone know what Melton has?
Happy Gunzelling and remember, "Go by rail!"
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Posted: Tue Oct 09, 2007 9:38 pm
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I have to say I agree with Smart Passengers on this. Melton doesn't have to be electrified to get good service, all we need is a bit of extra room, duplication of Deer Park to Melton, and Triplication or possibly even Quadruplication from Sunshine to Footscray. There is nothing wrong with diesel suburban services.
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Posted: Tue Oct 09, 2007 9:57 pm
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| SteamtoStay wrote: | Heh...
I just searched the PTUA's site, the Melton plan doesn't show under 'search'. Is it really not there, or am I just blind? |
Hmmm... not sure how well the search is performing...
Press release
Plan download page
Cheers,
Daniel
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Posted: Tue Oct 09, 2007 11:53 pm
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Yeah, I found those two, but when I saw the word 'plan', I thought there'd be an image like the Doncaster, Rowville and Airport links, showing stations, lines, surrounding roads, etc., as in 'It's time to move.' (which is severely out of date!)
I searched for 'Melton' on the download page with 'ctrl+F', and got 'electrification and duplication from sunshine to melton' and 'caroline springs station on melton line.' That's it. No images, no nothing.
However, if I can make a note, I'd say have the entire line, from Sunshine to Ballarat and beyond, serviced by VLocities, two tracks throughout, BUT add a parallel track from Deer Park to Rockbank, with the current tracks becoming a freight/express route. This new track could include Burnside and Caroline Springs stations:
(MELWAYS)
UP junction: p25, A9
Burnside: p358, J5
Caroline Springs: p358, D3
DOWN Junction: p355, B11
This also opens the possibility of a line from Caroline Springs station north, bordering the suburb, by passing under (over?) the tip of the Western FWY, with stations at Kororoit Creek, Plumpton, [Tunnel] Taylors Hill Shopping Centre [/tunnel], Hillside, Hillside North. Then, if need be, an extension to join the Bendigo line, just after Sunbury. (Maybe have Sunbury-Caroline Springs as the VLocity route, and Sunbury-Sydenham-Sunshine as the Spark route?)
Here's an image I whipped up. I forgot to mention though, a black dot is a closed/possible station, a white circle is HOST, and a black circle with a white border is a Premium.
Also, remember, Mjja, the Vlocity cars are numbered 1100+, 1200+ and soon-to-be 1300+. So, we can only have 99 of each before we need to do some serious re-numbering! From what I've heard, that will add to the cost of producing set 100 by a fairly large amount!
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Posted: Wed Oct 10, 2007 12:56 am
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Single sprinter running between Melton and Sunshine would be ideal during off-peak.
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wolfpac
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Posted: Wed Oct 10, 2007 9:34 am
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It's amazing that this is almost made to be something that's "new"... Melton has only been asking for electrification/duplication for the past 25 years.
At minimum, the line should be duplicated from Deer Park West to Melton. Then look at electrification. The increased capacity would help up front, as would triplification of Sunshine-Footscray (and beyond, pending room for the tracks beyond Footscray?).
I doubt you could actually increase the frequency to Melton/Bacchus at the moment, with the single line, since there's not really enough chance to pass.
And not knocking you, steamtostay, nice work there with the map/plan, but I can't see how that actually helps the Melton line? 
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Posted: Wed Oct 10, 2007 11:05 am
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And Melton/Western suburban line Caroline Spring, sadly majority of the population do NOT live near Ballarat railway line, majority live closeby Western highway.
Single line capacity issue needs to be solve on Ballarat line first(and perhaps some level crossing easing at Deer Park, Rockbank) before electrification goes ahead to melton
Hey?..whatever happen to my warning level?
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Posted: Wed Oct 10, 2007 11:27 am
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| standard_gauge wrote: | And Melton/Western suburban line Caroline Spring, sadly majority of the population do NOT live near Ballarat railway line, majority live closeby Western highway.
Single line capacity issue needs to be solve on Ballarat line first(and perhaps some level crossing easing at Deer Park, Rockbank) before electrification goes ahead to melton |
Good point, and with the Western Hwy effectively being between where the station would be and Caroline Springs, and with the new bypass around Deer Park to the Western Ring road, I can see why most people just drive into the city.
Too right it does. The Station Rd, Deer Park crossing perhaps needs to be sunk/raised (grade separated) and the Anderson Rd needs to be "looked" at? (Anderson Rd would be very tricky, of course)
If the line was duplicated, V/Line could offer more services. Electrification would come later. But the line would need to duplicated before electrification. It's only logical.
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Posted: Wed Oct 10, 2007 1:17 pm
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Wolfpac, the idea was that it'd be a direct VLocity service, as it is now, but diuplicated from Sunshine to Ballarat.
Also, Zone 2 fares apply as far as Ballan, making it cheaper for Melton passengers to be transported. The brown tracks refer to freight-only services, so that should save some time, and add more paths? The light-green service was the proposed line, since this is dated 2050.
Heck, maybe even tricplicate the line to Deer Park, then have two tracks (Pax) going to Deer Park West and Caroline springs, and the thrid track going along the cuurrent route. Then continue three tracks as far as Ballan. Then, two tracks to Ballarat.
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Posted: Wed Oct 10, 2007 1:37 pm
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| route14 wrote: | | Single sprinter running between Melton and Sunshine would be ideal during off-peak. |
OR
a single steam train running express between Melton and Sunshine and return. Just add water and coal. Then borrow the PBPS people to come and operate it for you. Call it a tourist attraction and run it all day.
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fogcv
EDIT: OR
Melton to Williamstown Pier, interchange at Sunshine for electric trains
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Posted: Wed Oct 10, 2007 3:38 pm
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| SteamtoStay wrote: | Wolfpac, the idea was that it'd be a direct VLocity service, as it is now, but diuplicated from Sunshine to Ballarat.
Also, Zone 2 fares apply as far as Ballan, making it cheaper for Melton passengers to be transported. The brown tracks refer to freight-only services, so that should save some time, and add more paths? The light-green service was the proposed line, since this is dated 2050.
Heck, maybe even tricplicate the line to Deer Park, then have two tracks (Pax) going to Deer Park West and Caroline springs, and the thrid track going along the cuurrent route. Then continue three tracks as far as Ballan. Then, two tracks to Ballarat. |
I noticed you did not put places like Riddles Creek in to zone 2.
It will be good to have Ballan in Zone 2, but under the new ticketing system called MYKI, Ballan will be located in zone 4, but I think it should be located in zone 3.
Here is a map which shows all new zones for MYKI ticketing system.
http://www.melbtrip.com/image/mykimap.gif
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Posted: Wed Oct 10, 2007 3:50 pm
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This thread isn't about ticketing, shoe fly.
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