Spirit of Progress

 
  LowndesJ515 #TeamRog

Location: Goulburn
As Seymour have Norman and Murray still, and are currently painting them blue, I'd assume they are running it, and appear to be planning to use S303 and possibly B74 at the noisy end, as both are or will be repainted. Add to that the numerous S cars they have, and IIRC they have CS1 as well, and they've basically got the consist covered. Surprising they do not mention the tour anywhere though.

Totally a wild stab in the dark, Steamrail *could* be planning to run a seperate train labelled as the Spirit, but as I said, I could be way off.
"r707"


Norman was sighted being in Blue on Saturday, she was all masked up to get the yellow lines.

Check out http://www.steamrail.com.au for more information regarding the Spirit Trip on the 17th of November. Details will be at hand shortly. There is an advert for the trip on the main page of the Steamrail Website.

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  VRfan Moderator

Location: In front of my computer :-p
I would much rather see the anniversary tour being hauled by a VR liveried S class (and B if available) rather than an R class in a non authentic livery pretending to be an S class steamer.

Unlike R711, S303 has a real connection to the VR spirit of progress as the S class diesels were used in the final years of the SOP on BG and they were used for a decade on the SG SOP. Having B74 along for the trip if ready would be an added bonus.
  Barrington Womble Photo Nazi

Location: Exit...Stage Left!
The B class used to haul the train double headed until the introduction of the S class - B74 would most certainly have hauled it at some stage, even led on occasions, so it is appropriate that she'll be along for the ride.
  ashbeer Assistant Commissioner

Lookout a development, it's official now! Good to hear, can't wait.
  Barrington Womble Photo Nazi

Location: Exit...Stage Left!
I might add that B74, S303, Murray and Norman are not part of the SRV train on the 17th of November.
  LowndesJ515 #TeamRog

Location: Goulburn
I might add that B74, S303, Murray and Norman are not part of the SRV train on the 17th of November.
"TheRev"


Steamrail's trip on the 17/11 is not part of the DOI/SRHC Spirit Trip which will be held one week later after Steamrails trip. I should have made this clear when I first posted, sorry about that.
  VRfan Moderator

Location: In front of my computer :-p
IMHO it's a bit crazy having two trips one week apart. Pity the groups don't work together to promote a single anniversary tour. Surely that would be a better outcome for preservation in general rather than having two competing trips.
  KngtRider Chief Commissioner

Location: http://www.nitroware.net
IMHO it's a bit crazy having two trips one week apart. Pity the groups don't work together to promote a single anniversary tour. Surely that would be a better outcome for preservation in general rather than having two competing trips.
"VRfan"


If you have one trip/train/excursion  you have to make compromises though. You said earlier you preferred the realistic consist to the mock steamer.

Therefore if you have one tour  you would either have to have multiple trains in the excursion or parallel running doesn't work in VIC any more and some may dislike fictional versus authentic stock being mixed if a same train is run. Thereafter what purpose is a co-operative tour other than marketing or operations ? carriage numbers ? SRHC has enough to make up an authentic train themselves.

S303 has a real connection to the VR spirit of progress as the S class diesels were used in the final years of the SOP on BG and they were used for a decade on the SG SOP.

By that reasoning any engine that hauled the train would qualify inc C and G

The C also would have hauled the SG SoP, A relatively brand new V/Line G defintly did haul the blue SoP in the final days, as I have seen a photo.
  rjcas SprogMasterZer0

S303 has a real connection to the VR spirit of progress as the S class diesels were used in the final years of the SOP on BG and they were used for a decade on the SG SOP.

By that reasoning any engine that hauled the train would qualify inc C and G

The C also would have hauled the SG SoP, A relatively brand new V/Line G defintly did haul the blue SoP in the final days, as I have seen a photo.
"KngtRider"

Not quite... S classes were regulars on the Spirit....
  VRfan Moderator

Location: In front of my computer :-p

If you have one trip/train/excursion  you have to make compromises though. You said earlier you preferred the realistic consist to the mock steamer.

Therefore if you have one tour  you would either have to have multiple trains in the excursion or parallel running doesn't work in VIC any more and some may dislike fictional versus authentic stock being mixed if a same train is run. Thereafter what purpose is a co-operative tour other than marketing or operations ? carriage numbers ? SRHC has enough to make up an authentic train themselves.
"KngtRider"


The tour could be run using S303 and B74 hauling mostly SRHC carriages plus Murray and Norman. Steamrail have a couple of blue and gold S cars (14BRS and 2BS) that could be added to the train. SRHC only have four operational sitting S cars at the moment.

Joint promotions have been done in the past. Back in 1988, many tours over Austeam 88 were run as joint ARHS/ARE/SRV tours. Steamrail provided the rollingstock, while all groups promoted it.

Running two tours one weekend apart doesn't help either group as it splits up what is a limited market (railfans)


By that reasoning any engine that hauled the train would qualify inc C and G


The only locos left in operating condition that were regulars on the BG Spirit of Progress were the B's and S's.

C's weren't regulars on the SG SOP and the G's were only used in the last few years. The X's were regulars in the 70's and early 80's on the SG SOP. None of these locos were used on the BG SOP at all.

As for the steamers, I'm not sure if an R ever hauled the SOP and even if it did, it certainly wouldn't have been a modified R painted in a blue and gold livery pretending to be an S.
  ashbeer Assistant Commissioner

IMHO it's a bit crazy having two trips one week apart. Pity the groups don't work together to promote a single anniversary tour. Surely that would be a better outcome for preservation in general rather than having two competing trips.
"VRfan"
I agree. Or at least have them both run on the same day possibly.
  LowndesJ515 #TeamRog

Location: Goulburn
IMHO it's a bit crazy having two trips one week apart. Pity the groups don't work together to promote a single anniversary tour. Surely that would be a better outcome for preservation in general rather than having two competing trips.
"VRfan"
I agree. Or at least have them both run on the same day possibly.
"ashbeer"


Im guessing Pathing would be an absolute nightmare if they were run on the same day!
  hotdogpants1 Deputy Commissioner

Location: Here.
There is Spirit of progress pictures at the Seymour railway station
  LowndesJ515 #TeamRog

Location: Goulburn
Steamrail's SoP celebration train trip is now online to view. At the moment they are planning to use an R Class with a mix of S & K Cars.

Trip will be run on the 17th November, 2007
0630 departure from Spencer St
1130 arrival into Albury

1700 departure from Albury
2230 arrival into Spencer St.

More information and booking details here: http://www.steamrail.com.au/srvtours_sop.htm

Cheers
  wongm GEEWONG

Location: Geelong, Victoria
with a mix of S & K Cars
"LowndesJ515"
A smart alec will say the K cars aren't even Victorian. Twisted Evil
  LowndesJ515 #TeamRog

Location: Goulburn
with a mix of S & K Cars
"LowndesJ515"
A smart alec will say the K cars aren't even Victorian. Twisted Evil
"wongm"


I actually cant find anywhere on the Steamrail Website or Brochure where it says that they are running the actual Spirit set or even using the Spirit Of Progress Train name unlike some other trips Steamrail operate. All it says is that its a special steam train to Albury to "commemorate the 70th Anniversary of the ‘Spirit of Progress’."
  r707 Chief Commissioner

Location: Here
with a mix of S & K Cars
"LowndesJ515"
A smart alec will say the K cars aren't even Victorian. Twisted Evil
"wongm"


I actually cant find anywhere on the Steamrail Website or Brochure where it says that they are running the actual Spirit set or even using the Spirit Of Progress Train name unlike some other trips Steamrail operate. All it says is that its a special steam train to Albury to "commemorate the 70th Anniversary of the ‘Spirit of Progress’."
"LowndesJ515"


Steamrail can't really run the actual Spirit set, as the original riveted cars are dispersed to various groups (including a couple with V/Line and one with PN IIRC), and the special cars that were part of the set (1CS, Murray and Norman) are all with SRHC. They would most likely be using K cars simply because they are steel cars, to try and maintain the 'streamlined' effect. Odds on it will be R761 on the front, unless some miracle happens in regards to R711.
  LowndesJ515 #TeamRog

Location: Goulburn
with a mix of S & K Cars
"LowndesJ515"
A smart alec will say the K cars aren't even Victorian. Twisted Evil
"wongm"


I actually cant find anywhere on the Steamrail Website or Brochure where it says that they are running the actual Spirit set or even using the Spirit Of Progress Train name unlike some other trips Steamrail operate. All it says is that its a special steam train to Albury to "commemorate the 70th Anniversary of the ‘Spirit of Progress’."
"LowndesJ515"


Steamrail can't really run the actual Spirit set, as the original riveted cars are dispersed to various groups (including a couple with V/Line and one with PN IIRC), and the special cars that were part of the set (1CS, Murray and Norman) are all with SRHC. They would most likely be using K cars simply because they are steel cars, to try and maintain the 'streamlined' effect. Odds on it will be R761 on the front, unless some miracle happens in regards to R711.
"r707"


Or Mainline Steam bans come into play...

Steamrail do own the "Spirit Of Progress" name though. They havent used it for this current trip (that I have seen, open to correction of course). SRHC is actually running the official SoP train to Albury on the 24th November through the DOI. Steamrail is mearly running a special train to Albury to commemorate the special event in their own way, as the SoP was very important to Victoria's Railway History.
Im also guessing (im not saying your wrong R707) they are using the 'K' cars as they are high speed cars, keep to the timetable and run at maximum speed. Probably a lot easier to get a path at 115km/hr than 80km/hr.

Cheers
  r707 Chief Commissioner

Location: Here
Im also guessing (im not saying your wrong R707) they are using the 'K' cars as they are high speed cars, keep to the timetable and run at maximum speed. Probably a lot easier to get a path at 115km/hr than 80km/hr.
"LowndesJ515"


I forgot about the 80 km/h speed restriction on wooden stock Embarassed. Your explanation is much more feasible as to why the K cars are being included.
  ashbeer Assistant Commissioner

Will their be a gunzel bus run forr this tour like the Bairnsdale oen recently?
  rjcas SprogMasterZer0

Im also guessing (im not saying your wrong R707) they are using the 'K' cars as they are high speed cars, keep to the timetable and run at maximum speed. Probably a lot easier to get a path at 115km/hr than 80km/hr.

Cheers
"LowndesJ515"

Speculating here, but I think the Idea of an all blue and gold consist could be on Steamrail's mind. As all of Steamrail's S carriages aren't in the Blue and Gold scheme, the use of K cars seems Ideal. Someone can correct me here but I'm pretty sure most, if not all, of the Steamrail K carriages are all in the VR Blue and Gold.
  LowndesJ515 #TeamRog

Location: Goulburn
Well yes that also...
  wongm GEEWONG

Location: Geelong, Victoria
I think it was in this thread that someone mentioned the last anniversary run of the SOP, 10 years back IIRC, with a mish mash of liveries, but the original cars. So what was the consist and liveries?
  rjcas SprogMasterZer0

I think it was in this thread that someone mentioned the last anniversary run of the SOP, 10 years back IIRC, with a mish mash of liveries, but the original cars. So what was the consist and liveries?
"wongm"

Gimme about 10 mins and I'll get you a pic.
  rjcas SprogMasterZer0



S313 and a failed S302 haul the Spirit of Progress 60th Anniversary Tour to Albury over the grades near Wangaratta. Sat.22.11.97  Peter Weickhardt
Source: Newsrail front cover of January 1998

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