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bevans
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Posted: Wed May 21, 2003 7:42 am
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A new moderators forum has been established. The forum is closed and membership is via a usergroup. The purpose of the forum is to allow current forum moderators to now evaluate and discuss requests for new forums and changes to existing forums. We will also discuss policy and goverence issues around the Railpage Australia™ forum.
If you are a moderator and require access, please request through the usergroup section.
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xtrapolis999m
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Posted: Tue Mar 16, 2004 11:04 pm
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what governence and policy of Railpage Australia™ Forums?
it seems to me it is all "Railpage Australia™ is mine and i do what i like"
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John of Melbourne
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Posted: Tue Mar 16, 2004 11:19 pm
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| xtrapolis999m wrote: | what governence and policy of Railpage Australia™ Forums?
it seems to me it is all "Railpage Australia™ is mine and i do what i like" |
Well, it is and he can if he wishes.  We can only trust that he chooses to be fair about how he operates it, which is presumably more likely if we play fair also.
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Tonymercury
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Posted: Wed Mar 17, 2004 4:52 am
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| xtrapolis999m wrote: | what governence and policy of Railpage Australia™ Forums?
it seems to me it is all "Railpage Australia™ is mine and i do what i like" |
Exactly why shouldn't that be the case?
There is nothing stopping you from going off and opening your own site and setting your own rules.
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vicsig
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Posted: Wed Mar 17, 2004 8:58 am
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| Tonymercury wrote: | | xtrapolis999m wrote: | what governence and policy of Railpage Australia™ Forums?
it seems to me it is all "Railpage Australia™ is mine and i do what i like" |
Exactly why shouldn't that be the case?
There is nothing stopping you from going off and opening your own site and setting your own rules. |
That is what I did.
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Webslave
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Posted: Wed Mar 17, 2004 9:40 am
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| vicsig wrote: | | Tonymercury wrote: | | xtrapolis999m wrote: | what governence and policy of Railpage Australia™ Forums?
it seems to me it is all "Railpage Australia™ is mine and i do what i like" |
Exactly why shouldn't that be the case?
There is nothing stopping you from going off and opening your own site and setting your own rules. |
That is what I did. |
Did you?
| vicsig wrote: | | Riccardo wrote: | I have just been into your forum Vicsig and I have to point out (having read your rules) - DavidB and co are far more lenient towards dissenting posts (such as yours) than you seem prepared to be.
That and the fact that it is parochial Victorian stuff - I think one forum is enough, no matter how imperfect.
And again how can you exclude politics from your forum. Anything that isn't politics is counting rivets or trainspotting. Rail and politics are the same thing, been that way since 1855. |
Last time I checked the vicsig forums were to provide feedback on the vicsig website, additions, suggestions, errors etc... There is some general discussion forums for questions people might have after reading the information on vicsig.
I also see no rules, just some guidelines. 
I don't see any guideline about "exclude politics" just a guideline that vicsig isn't a forum for whinges and complaints like "my train is always late, XYZ trains are so crap they should be closed down"
I don't know why people compare RP2 with vicsig or Railpage Australia™ Forums with vicsig forums. Both are different, and always will be. |
Interesting to note vicsig doesnt have any rules...
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vicsig
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Posted: Wed Mar 17, 2004 10:32 am
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vicsig was around a long time before Railpage Australia™ Forums.
rules, guidelines, call them what you like, but vicsig has pubically available "guidelines" where as Railpage Australia™ Forums doesn't and Railpage Australia™ Forums doesn't have a level field treating all members the same.
Lets not get away from what Brian raised months ago (close to a year), and hasn't happened.
Railpage Australia™ Forums was doomed from the start due to lack of policy and goverence, and is heading down to aus.rail level and beyond.
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Webslave
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Posted: Wed Mar 17, 2004 10:40 am
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| vicsig wrote: | | vicsig was around a long time before Railpage Australia™ Forums. |
Clearly then, the decision was not based on your experiences with Railpage Australia™ Forums.
| vicsig wrote: | | rules, guidelines, call them what you like, |
That's a backflip on what you said just before. You identified them as two completely different things, but now you're saying they're the same?
| vicsig wrote: | | but vicsig has pubically available "guidelines" where as Railpage Australia™ Forums doesn't and Railpage Australia™ Forums doesn't have a level field treating all members the same. |
So you're saying you cant take people on a case-by-case basis on face value? Seems rather inflexible, and pretty unfair really.
| vicsig wrote: | | Lets not get away from what Brian raised months ago, and hasn't happened. |
Dont worry, if I were you I wouldnt like where this was going either.
| vicsig wrote: | | Railpage Australia™ Forums was doomed from the start due to lack of policy and goverence. |
And you were a moderator under that scheme, and thus bear the same amount of blame here. Dont be fooled Chris, you did the exact same things that you are saying are wrong. Please dont be a hypocrite.
To quote you; "You have a lot to learn", but that's okay - we never stop learning, not me, not you, no-one.
James Morgan
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vicsig
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Posted: Wed Mar 17, 2004 10:50 am
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| Webslave wrote: | | vicsig wrote: | | vicsig was around a long time before Railpage Australia™ Forums. |
Clearly then, the decision was not based on your experiences with Railpage Australia™ Forums. |
The vicsig forum on Railpage Australia™ Forums was.
| Webslave wrote: | | vicsig wrote: | | rules, guidelines, call them what you like, |
That's a backflip on what you said just before. You identified them as two completely different things, but now you're saying they're the same? |
No its not, go re-read what I said.
| Webslave wrote: | | vicsig wrote: | | but vicsig has pubically available "guidelines" where as Railpage Australia™ Forums doesn't and Railpage Australia™ Forums doesn't have a level field treating all members the same. |
So you're saying you cant take people on a case-by-case basis on face value? Seems rather inflexible, and pretty unfair really. |
You can't delete one person's posts for a personal attack, but leave another person's post who openly calls David Bromage "GOD". Leaving out the offence to any Christians on here.
| Webslave wrote: | | vicsig wrote: | | Lets not get away from what Brian raised months ago, and hasn't happened. |
Dont worry, if I were you I wouldnt like where this was going either. |
Its going no where, I didn't re-raise this issue, I made agreement Tonymercury that some have gone to start their own forums, or worry about their own websites.
Are you attacking me or defending Railpage Australia™ Forums or both?
| Webslave wrote: | | vicsig wrote: | | Railpage Australia™ Forums was doomed from the start due to lack of policy and goverence. |
And you were a moderator under that scheme, and thus bear the same amount of blame here. Dont be fooled Chris, you did the exact same things that you are saying are wrong. Please dont be a hypocrite. |
Yes, and I didn't agree with it, and tried to changed it. Because I rocked the boat I was removed as moderator.
| Webslave wrote: | | To quote you; "You have a lot to learn", but that's okay - we never stop learning, not me, not you, no-one. |
Then you better go off to class then, or do some private study.
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Webslave
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Posted: Wed Mar 17, 2004 11:03 am
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| vicsig wrote: | | Webslave wrote: | | vicsig wrote: | | vicsig was around a long time before Railpage Australia™ Forums. |
Clearly then, the decision was not based on your experiences with Railpage Australia™ Forums. |
The vicsig forum on Railpage Australia™ Forums was. |
Then make up your mind. Either Vicsig was a result, or it wasnt.
| vicsig wrote: | | Webslave wrote: | | vicsig wrote: | | rules, guidelines, call them what you like, |
That's a backflip on what you said just before. You identified them as two completely different things, but now you're saying they're the same? |
No its not, go re-read what I said. |
Empty comment. Perhaps you could offer some justification on it? Watch how I do it;
You said: "I also see no rules, just some guidelines."
and then said: "rules, guidelines, call them what you like"
| vicsig wrote: | | Webslave wrote: | | vicsig wrote: | | but vicsig has pubically available "guidelines" where as Railpage Australia™ Forums doesn't and Railpage Australia™ Forums doesn't have a level field treating all members the same. |
So you're saying you cant take people on a case-by-case basis on face value? Seems rather inflexible, and pretty unfair really. |
You can't delete one person's posts for a personal attack, but leave another person's post who openly calls David Bromage "GOD". Leaving out the offence to any Christians on here. |
Why cant you? The laws of defamation, for example, dont come into effect when someone has positive comments made about them, only negative ones.
| vicsig wrote: | | Webslave wrote: | | vicsig wrote: | | Lets not get away from what Brian raised months ago, and hasn't happened. |
Dont worry, if I were you I wouldnt like where this was going either. |
Its going no where, I didn't re-raise this issue, I made agreement Tonymercury that some have gone to start their own forums, or worry about their own websites.
Are you attacking me or defending Railpage Australia™ Forums or both? |
Who says I am either? I'm making an observation, and that observation is that your current stance conflicts with your statement of it earlier. As for where it was going, it was starting to bring vicsig under scrutiny, which no doubt you'd want to avoid (though there's no need to get all defensive about it). I, too would prefer to avoid it as it doesnt really interest me that much and provides no real benefit.
| vicsig wrote: | | Webslave wrote: | | vicsig wrote: | | Railpage Australia™ Forums was doomed from the start due to lack of policy and goverence. |
And you were a moderator under that scheme, and thus bear the same amount of blame here. Dont be fooled Chris, you did the exact same things that you are saying are wrong. Please dont be a hypocrite. |
Yes, and I didn't agree with it, and tried to changed it. Because I rocked the boat I was removed as moderator. |
No Chris, that's not why you were asked to leave.
| vicsig wrote: | | Webslave wrote: | | To quote you; "You have a lot to learn", but that's okay - we never stop learning, not me, not you, no-one. |
Then you better go off to class then, or do some private study. |
Actually, as it happens - I'm in class. How about instead of constantly tryign to remind me that I have a lot to learn (openly admitted), you spend that time doing some more learning yourself. Your choice of course, completely up to you.
James Morgan
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vicsig
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Posted: Wed Mar 17, 2004 11:17 am
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I consider this thread to have gone far enough.
I agree with some points of Webslave concerning me, and disagree with most others.
I don't wish to be part of a personal attack from Webslave on vicsig or myself, and would have expected better of an admin to stir up old arguements.
For the goodness of Railpage Australia™ Forums I will not reply to any further comments, attacks and/or missunderstandings from Webslave on this matter.
This lead should be set by the "leaders" (ie admin/mods) not the users.
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michaelgreenhill
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Posted: Wed Mar 17, 2004 3:49 pm
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Before you start on me, let me make this clear that I am NOT taking sides in this.
| vicsig wrote: | | I don't wish to be part of a personal attack from Webslave on vicsig or myself, and would have expected better of an admin to stir up old arguements. |
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| Webslave wrote: | | vicsig wrote: | | Are you attacking me or defending Railpage Australia™ Forums or both?. |
Who says I am either? I'm making an observation, and that observation is that your current stance conflicts with your statement of it earlier. |
He just said that he wasn't attacking you, didn't you read that? And I think that he would be in a better position to judge his actions then you are, considering he is the one that is making them...
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John of Melbourne
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Posted: Wed Mar 17, 2004 11:15 pm
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| Webslave wrote: | | vicsig wrote: | | Webslave wrote: | | vicsig wrote: | | vicsig was around a long time before Railpage Australia™ Forums. |
Clearly then, the decision was not based on your experiences with Railpage Australia™ Forums. |
The vicsig forum on Railpage Australia™ Forums was. |
Then make up your mind. Either Vicsig was a result, or it wasnt. |
I'm not sure what relevance the first statement has, but Chris was saying that the VicSig web-site was around before Railpage Australia™ Forums, but the VicSig forums came after Railpage Australia™ Forums. So he hasn't contradicted himself.
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Wheel slip
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Posted: Tue Mar 23, 2004 10:24 pm
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The way that Vicsig had written his reply, gave me the impression that he had a forum on the Vicsig site, BEFORE Railpage Australia™ Forums started. That is how I interpreted it. It may have no relevence to you, but it does to me. Perhaps Vicsig could make himself a little clearer on what he is refering to?
Some of us less intelligent life-forms could then get the right end of the stick!
I'm watching YOU through sniper rifle sights...Where am I though? You can't see me! But I can see you! Oh, and give ninthnotch his avatar back. Where's Ron gone?
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John of Melbourne
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Posted: Tue Mar 23, 2004 11:08 pm
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| Wheel Slip wrote: | The way that Vicsig had written his reply, gave me the impression that he had a forum on the Vicsig site, BEFORE Railpage Australia™ Forums started. That is how I interpreted it. It may have no relevence to you, but it does to me. Perhaps Vicsig could make himself a little clearer on what he is refering to?
Some of us less intelligent life-forms could then get the right end of the stick! |
I think you misinterpreted my comment about the relevance. See my next paragraph.
I agree that, in context, VicSig's comment could have been read as referring to the forum on his site. It didn't say that (which was my main point), but I couldn't see the relevance of him talking about when his web-site started whilst it was the forums that were under discussion.
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