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vlinecars V/Man - "Yeah!"

Location: Here, there, everywhere!
Goodmorning All,
Watching Sunrise on Seven this morning, just on the 7:30 report was breaking news of a train/car crash at a level crossing in/near St.Albans.

The accident was reportedly around 6:15, and involved were (2?) Sprinters with train 8002, the 5:20 from Kyneton, and a car, which was stuck on the tracks.

Sadly, the three people inside the car died. There bodies are still in the wreck with crews working on getting them out.

Pax have been transferred onto coaches, if I find out any more information, I'll send it in.
 
bevans - Administrator Site Admin

Location: Melbourne, Australia
Looking at this too. Looks quite nasty. Interestingly, 3AW media are calling it a freak accident?

What was the car doing stuck on the tracks?  ABC Radio in Melbourne this morning reports it was due to a car in front being involved in a small accident?

As the dust settles a little, is this not the crossing where residents have been campaigning for a road underpass for some years?

Regards,
Brian
 
vlinecars V/Man - "Yeah!"

Location: Here, there, everywhere!
From http://www.news.com.au


Three killed in crossing smash
August 5, 2004

THREE people were killed when a car was hit by a train at a level crossing in Melbourne's north-west early today.

Police said the crash occurred on the level crossing at Furlong Road, St Albans, about 6.15am.

It is believed the car was struck by a Sunshine-bound train.

The bodies of the three were still to be removed from the wreckage of the car, a police spokeswoman said.

Bus services were replacing trains between Sunshine and Sydenham railway stations.
- A user
 
vlinecars V/Man - "Yeah!"

Location: Here, there, everywhere!

As the dust settles a little, is this not the crossing where residents have been campaigning for a road underpass for some years?
- A user


That's what I were thinking. Now this puts more bite into their argument. Maybe.

Now its off to getting ready for school for me!
 
vlinecars V/Man - "Yeah!"

Location: Here, there, everywhere!
More information:

50 passengers on board the train- none hurt.

One sprinter involved- damage doesn't appear overly apparent when shown on TV.

Blue Ford AU Falcon, looks like a 1999 model, is the car involved. Total wreck.

Interestingly, when shown on TV, the car seems to be a good 50m away from the train. I don't really know how this occured.

ABC Radio in Melbourne this morning reports it was due to a car in front being involved in a small accident?
- A user


Emergency Crews were already near the scene when the accident happened- so this is quite possible.

More news, as and if I get it!
 
SnOwYfriend Station Master

Location: Melbourne
Hmm, head about this while driving to work this morning !!  This is terrrible...  just checking the news on ninemsn...

http://news.ninemsn.com.au/article.aspx?id=13904

they have a picture and a movie scene that you can watch - but here is what the article says

Three people were killed when a car was hit by a train at a level crossing in Melbourne's north-west early on Thursday.

Police said the crash occurred on the level crossing at Furlong Road, St Albans, about 6.15am.

It's believed the car was struck by a Sunshine-bound train.

The bodies of the three were still to be removed from the wreckage of the car, a police spokeswoman said.

Bus services were replacing trains between Sunshine and Sydenham railway stations.


So its basically what someone else said up above !!!

ps. Plus they say 150 people on board the train no one hurt !!!
 
vlinecars V/Man - "Yeah!"

Location: Here, there, everywhere!
ps. Plus they say 150 people on board the train no one hurt !!!
- A user


Errrrrrrrrrrrrr, no.

Definitely not. There was 50 people on board the train- 8002 from Kyneton.

There was only one sprinter - and one sprinter can only seat 90 people and can only legally carry 105.
 
SnOwYfriend Station Master

Location: Melbourne
Ah okay - maybe i just heard it wrong *LOL*  Laughing
 
RoscoHead Junior Train Controller

Location: Chadstone, Melbourne
On morning news they said there was an earlier incident which was being attended by emergency services, and the fatal crash occurred when a car attempted to get past the accident area. They didn't say why it stopped on the crossing though.

ROSCO
 
Aussie Steve Deputy Commissioner

If this isn't a big enough hint to the State Govt to get rid of as many level crossings as possible, then I don't know what is!
 
725M Locomotive Driver

Location: Melbourne, Australia (Sydneham Line)
Guys i live 5 mins from that crossing and it has been an accident waiting toi happen for years  theres been many close calls and unfortunately this morning wasnt one.
The car supposedly went around the boomgates and got stuck.
There was an earlier accident which caused the traffic to bank up and i think he just got sick of waiting and went around and got stuck  , the sprinter continued on for 500m before it could stop.
Emergency services where already at the scene for the earlier accident and seen it happen  Shocked
 
Hellbilly Chief Commissioner

Location: Pampa Texas
If it is true that they drove around the boom gates, whos fault is it? Anyone with half a pickle for a brain would realise that trains are quite large, and most likely will kill you if you are in there path. Right now I do feel for the family of the deceased, but no where near how much I feel sad for a work comrade. Anyone who has never experienced a fatality, should refrain from having a go at me for what I said. These accidents are terrible, and extremely sad, but you watch the knives go at the government for this now, and the media will find any way possible to try and sink them for this.
 
Warks Minister for Railways

Location: Near H30+059
If it is true that they drove around the boom gates, whos fault is it? Anyone with half a pickle for a brain would realise that trains are quite large, and most likely will kill you if you are in there path. Right now I do feel for the family of the deceased, but no where near how much I feel sad for a work comrade. Anyone who has never experienced a fatality, should refrain from having a go at me for what I said. These accidents are terrible, and extremely sad, but you watch the knives go at the government for this now, and the media will find any way possible to try and sink them for this.
- Hellbilly


You might recall the recent accident in NSW with the Xplorer and a car on the crossing at Baan Baa. Of course the knee-jerk reaction was to recommend lowering of the speed limit of Countrylink services. Not sure if that was put through.

Here is the discussion

http://www.railpage.com.au/modules.php?name=Forums&file=viewtopic&t=7777&postdays=0&postorder=asc&start=0

Most had the viewpoint that if you get hit by a train on a crossing it's your fault.  It's a heck of a lot easier for a car to stop than a train.  (All sympathies to the families of the victims however.)
 
DavidB - Moderator Site Admin

Location: Canberra
You might recall the recent accident in NSW with the Xplorer and a car on the crossing at Baan Baa. Of course the knee-jerk reaction was to recommend lowering of the speed limit of Countrylink services. Not sure if that was put through.
- Warks

Yep. There's a blanket 120km/h speed limit on all XPT and Xplorer services on the off chance that a car driver fails to stop at a level crossing. Not to make light of a tragic event, but this morning proves that the restriction is a sham. IF a train hits you at 100km/h you'll come off just as bad as if the train was going 160.

Cheers
David
 
SnOwYfriend Station Master

Location: Melbourne
You have to wonder whats going through the minds of the drivers that think they can beat a train - i mean come on anything thats bigger than you...  GET OUTTA THE WAY !!  Its a dreadfull shame though lives had to be wasted for such a lesson to be learned !!!  *shakes head.* And your right I fell terrible for the family that now have to greive for there losses
 
standard_gauge Dr Beeching

Location: Outside the toilet, waiting for Della Bosca to come out !!




Pic sources Herald Sun and The Age
 
RoscoHead Junior Train Controller

Location: Chadstone, Melbourne
IF a train hits you at 100km/h you'll come off just as bad as if the train was going 160.
- DavidB

True, but the people on the train might come off better. Anyone know how fast the sprinters usually do through that area?

ROSCO
 
spottyrahr Chief Commissioner

the crossing the want underground is Main rd east/west. From what i've heard from the news etc, is that they were trying to get around the accident when it happened. the news also says that the train was traveling at 100km/h cept the line speed for that area is 95 Razz so they are wrong again even if it was by 5 k's. other news reports say it was sitting on the crossing when it happened. but a) the train would have seen it from further away, and would most likely have slowed done (?) b) the people would have seen the train coming, they would have got out because c) the train would have been blowing its whistle
 
TA 2000 Chief Commissioner

Location: SA - I wish!
I saw that on the news this morning. Not much of car left. I really feel sorry for the driver of the train.
 
r707 Chief Commissioner

Location: Here
Isn't speed restricted to 80 under the wires as that is the fastest speed the suburban signalling system can handle?
 
Suburban_Soldier Chief Commissioner

Location: Grey Ghost
the furlong rd crossing is a headache. though not as bad as the main rd one it still does get congested especially at peak times. in recent years it has received more traffic ( more chance of an accident!) since furlong rd was extended to station rd in deer park. i feel quite bad for the driver. no driver wants to go through that. though even more so for the victims.
bloody peter batchelor
 
joffie Chief Commissioner

Location: Melbourne
Very bad accident.  The track is restricted to 95kph for trains, so no doubt the sprinter was going that fast.  I was surprised that it didn;t derail like ballan considering the speed.
 
Brunny Chief Commissioner

Location: Peoples Republic of Moreland
If you're on a level crossing when the bells are active and the booms are down, you deserve exactly what you get.  You're not even legally allowed to go onto a crossing or any other intersection when the way ahead is blocked.

By all rights, the Government should be issuing a few post-mortem fines to the estate for the traffic offences.
 
Railfan9949 Chief Commissioner

Location: Somewhere between Gembrook to Healesville to Seymour to Maldon
I didn't find out till I was on the train home this afternoon.. I saw the picture on the front of the MX.. I nearly fell over and all me mates we like, what da?!

By the way approx how much would the train weigh with 98 passengers.. or even when its with full capacity??
 
SwissRail Locomotive Fireman

Location: 35km from Britomart, Auckland, NZ
T o answer the mass question, about 60 tonne of Sprinter and 4 tonne of passengers, would be my quick guess. Pretty light train mass compared to a fully loaded 6 car spark, or even a freight train like 2000t. The media here in NZ also showed the mess. Sad eh. Likewise I feel for the families and the Sprinter driver.
Is the approach path of the train a straight path?
If I was stuck on tracks I would get out, or use the starter motor to move off. So I guess the AU might have been negotiating the crossing when it was hit?
 

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