EDI/Bombardier Electric Multiple Unit(s) for Transperth

 
  Mouse Chief Train Controller

Location:
Is there a set 95? I thought that seeing as 79 was the last of the original lot and there were 15 more ordered, that 94 would be the last?

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  Set88 Station Staff

What will the railcar numbers be after Set 99 ?  And when will A sets be taken off the Mandurah line and put back onto the Armadale/Thornlie line where they belong ?
  Q4004 Chief Commissioner

Location: Thornlie
Is there a set 95? I thought that seeing as 79 was the last of the original lot and there were 15 more ordered, that 94 would be the last?
"Mouse"

No. 80-94 were the newer ones

What will the railcar numbers be after Set 99 ? And when will A sets be taken off the Mandurah line and put back onto the Armadale/Thornlie line where they belong ?
"Set88"

Read The Last Posts!! Only 80-94.
  NR29 Chief Commissioner

Location: Perth Australia
Is there a set 95? I thought that seeing as 79 was the last of the original lot and there were 15 more ordered, that 94 would be the last?
"Mouse"

No. 80-94 were the newer ones

What will the railcar numbers be after Set 99 ? And when will A sets be taken off the Mandurah line and put back onto the Armadale/Thornlie line where they belong ?
"Set88"

Read The Last Posts!! Only 80-94.
"Q4004"


Simple Set 100, 101 102 etc 4100+5100+6100
  WAGR_trains Assistant Commissioner

HA!

No more are set 94,  for at least the next 5 years!!!, bring on the overcrowding on the trains!!!!!!
  3foot6 Minister for Railways

Location: Unknown
Transperth EMU 94 rolling through Golbourn, NSW ...
http://www.flickr.com/photos/jamesmp/5153687270
  topher1976 Train Controller

Location: Mill Park, Vic
HA!

No more are set 94,  for at least the next 5 years!!!, bring on the overcrowding on the trains!!!!!!
"WAGR_trains"


Agreed.. they seriously need to look at the patronage of all the lines.. There needs to be at least another 10-15 units ordered but hey.. this is the Barnett government we are talking about...  Armadale is bloody shocking sometimes during peak..
  3foot6 Minister for Railways

Location: Unknown
They can't say additional units weren't offered ...
  Tyler Chief Commissioner

Location: Perth
With sets upto 92 in service, (13 additional since the first order) I'm still awaiting for the remaining 4 a sets to be redeployed onto the other lines.

Quite a few Mandurah/Joondalup trains are still 3 car sets in peak so obviously with the increased number of sets, they have decided to reduce the reliance on the first generation and provide a well earned rest.

With 46 sets here now, there should be enough sets to make all Mandurah/Joondalup trains 6 cars and shuttles 3 cars with 1 or 2 remaining to boost a shuttle service to 6 cars like the case is now with some services.

Offcourse the orginals sets still can't operate with the newer sets can they until the communication system is updated.
  topher1976 Train Controller

Location: Mill Park, Vic
With sets upto 92 in service, (13 additional since the first order) I'm still awaiting for the remaining 4 a sets to be redeployed onto the other lines.

Quite a few Mandurah/Joondalup trains are still 3 car sets in peak so obviously with the increased number of sets, they have decided to reduce the reliance on the first generation and provide a well earned rest.

With 46 sets here now, there should be enough sets to make all Mandurah/Joondalup trains 6 cars and shuttles 3 cars with 1 or 2 remaining to boost a shuttle service to 6 cars like the case is now with some services.

Offcourse the orginals sets still can't operate with the newer sets can they until the communication system is updated.
"Tyler"


Why then do Transperth insist on running it the otehr way around.. Mandurah services as 3 cars, and Cockburn services as 6???  Does not make any sense...
  Tyler Chief Commissioner

Location: Perth
Theres like a 4:30pm (close to) W service from Perth and then this train does like a 5pm whitfords shuttle from Perth. I think there maybe another one, it's to help the huge loadings from Perth from around 5pm.
  Q4004 Chief Commissioner

Location: Thornlie
MA1862 collected Set 94 From the Old Midland Workshops today. Final one ever from the old workshops to Claisebrook. Set 93 hauled Set 94 from Claisebrook to Nowergup.
  Mouse Chief Train Controller

Location:
And when will A sets be taken off the Mandurah line and put back onto the Armadale/Thornlie line where they belong ?
"Set88"


Also, when (if?) said A series trains are removed from the Clarkson-Mandurah line, are there any sections of the Clarkson line that will have their speed limit raised to 130? It seems quite silly to me having something like Karrinyup Rd to Reid Hwy as only 110.
  WAGR_trains Assistant Commissioner

And when will A sets be taken off the Mandurah line and put back onto the Armadale/Thornlie line where they belong ?
"Set88"


Also, when (if?) said A series trains are removed from the Clarkson-Mandurah line, are there any sections of the Clarkson line that will have their speed limit raised to 130? It seems quite silly to me having something like Karrinyup Rd to Reid Hwy as only 110.
"Mouse"


A series probably wont go until Butler opened, and track speeds will not increase.
  Mouse Chief Train Controller

Location:
*Bump*

Any news so far of building the next batch of these things? If they're being delivered from the second half of 2013, then construction better be starting soon...

Also I note Mr Barnett wants another couple of sets when/if Aubin Grove is built  (is this an increase in the order to 17, or setting aside two of the fifteen for when the station opens? Wink)
  thewaratahtrain Chief Train Controller

Umm aubin grove station is going to be the first 230m platform which will support nine car sets we currently support 2,3,4 & 6, in the order Barnett stated that he will order 2 more three car sets and six standard sets what are these standard sets are they going to be nine car or six car sets, he hasn't exactly made it clear, everyone here probably knows as much as I do, nine car sets is really saying something about our population growth & forecasted growth, Melbourne still don't have this.
  LL10194 Station Master

Location: Perth

@ thewaratahtrain - Firstly the confusion about the "2 more three car sets and six standard sets." I'm not sure of your source but the official WA government media statement mentions "two three-railcar sets" i.e. two normal B-sets. Perhaps someone has done the simple arithmetic to come up with six cars, and then somehow the whole thing has become confused. (2,000-bay car park, station for southern suburbs, Sun 5 Aug, 2012, http://www.mediastatements.wa.gov.au/Pages/Results.aspx?ItemID=150625 ) The funny thing about that media release is that the priority seems to be the provision of car-parking spaces, not a new station.

I'm interested in your comment that the newly announced Aubin Grove station will be built at 230m long, allowing possible nine car sets. Can I ask what your source is for this information? A few measurements of some existing Joondalup and Mandurah line platforms and available space for extending them (using Google Earth) would suggest that they and the track alignments have been designed with the potential for future extension to suit eight or nine car sets, but I would have thought that was a seriously long term option. Is it possible that your source is talking about design for future expansion as opposed to what will be built in the short term?

Is there anyone on the forum who could confirm if the Joondalup and Mandurah line stations have in fact been designed for this kind of long term expansion? It sounds both plausible and sensible to me, (considering how the demand on this north-south spine can only grow) but I can't imagine it happening for twenty years or so. Until then I expect that we will see a gradual increase in the number of six car sets to replace the threes and fours, and increases in frequency. And what is the platform length at Perth Underground and the Esplanade?

  thewaratahtrain Chief Train Controller

Here's the link to the west Australian article

http://au.news.yahoo.com/thewest/a/-/wa/14469011/libs-copycats-on-station-plan/

"mr Buswell said this will be the first 230m platform on the mandurah line it's building for the future and means we'll be able to take a nine cars in one rail set we currently take three or six" and perth underground can barely hold a complete six car set part of the drivers cabin sticks out at the end of the platform. He also said part of the project included buying six new train carriages.
  LL10194 Station Master

Location: Perth
@ thewaratahtrain - Thanks for that, quotes from the mouths of Premiers, Treasurers and Transport Ministers don't always come true - but it is promising. And you confirmed my recollection of the Perth Underground & Esplanade stations. The planning of stations is getting a little off topic, so perhaps I'll start a new one with some of my other queries.
  NR100 Station Master

I cannot hold on to this.How the hell can we have a 9 car train when Aubin Grove is the only one planned to be 230 metres long, or will the platform extentions be done intime?
Another point. Perth Underground, Joondalup and Esplande cant be extended, can it? Unless you spend another $50 millone bucks to drill into concrete.
My 2 cents worth.

Cheers!
  1213Driver Chief Commissioner

Location: Perth Western Australia
.How the hell can we have a 9 car train when Aubin Grove is the only one planned to be 230 metres long, or will the platform extentions be done intime!
"NR100"


You Cant!

All the platforms need to be of 9 car length - That would include the underground stations and yes that would take plenty of $$$ due to narrow minded planning!

Whats more - if the B series are retrofitted (as is intended) with the PDS (Platform Detection System) that is currently fitted to the A series then you most definately need the platforms to be of 9 car length to open the doors.

Idea The only way around this would be to redesign the PDS to only open the doors that are on a platform - this would then allow you to have a car or 2 deliberately off either end of the platforms enabling you to run bigger train sets into all stations.

But you would then need to re-train the Sheep to travel in the middle sections of the train as we used to do when a train was stopping at a short platform. The benefit gained with the B series is that you can wander through 3 cars if you found yourself at either end.
Im pretty sure the Footy crowd would never figure this out! Here we go here we go here we go - awww are we there yet! Razz

But guess what ?

The PDS is poorly designed and has only been set up to prevent "ALL" doors from opening if even just one door is "half" off a platform surface area - and sometimes it doesnt work even with all the doors on a platform. Rolling Eyes

The libs cant build a couple of Km's of railway in a short space of time nevermind want to buy enough cars to sustain multiple 9 car sets so dont be fooled by election promises that they will withdraw from after the event. "Ellenbrook comes to mind".

More sets of Cars for Higher frequency 6 car sets is the short term answer as previously mentioned and even this would likely require some better signalling infrastucture.
  WAGR_trains Assistant Commissioner

The plan is to extend the "major" stations to handle 9 car sets.

Esplanade Station can handle an extension to 9 car sets, it was built so that the station can be extended back towards the river end.

The question has been already answered in regards to the PUG. It wont be extended, but as they do in other cities, the train will stop off the platform. The doors not on a platform will not open (Platform detection system modified to fit the Bs)) and the pax will have to detrain through the doors that are on the station. Hence why they can upgrade somestations and leave the rest. This is a little in the future, but would save $$$ by putting on 9 cars in the future,  rather than having more 6 car sets. You can increase a train from a six to a nine, without a big increase in cost.
  Northmetro Junior Train Controller

On Clarkson-Mandurah, no train any time in the day misses out more than 2 stations so 9 car trains won't be a reality for years.

Nice to see some forward planning in allowing for this in the very long term future. But for the next 5-10 years the plan needs to be 

- get all trains to 6 cars
- run more frequent trains
- THEN think about longer trains

Training passengers to move a bit quicker at Perth Underground and Esplanade to reduce dwell times could help too.
  dw54 Assistant Commissioner

Location: Devonport, Tas
I cannot hold on to this.How the hell can we have a 9 car train when Aubin Grove is the only one planned to be 230 metres long, or will the platform extentions be done intime?
Another point. Perth Underground, Joondalup and Esplande cant be extended, can it? Unless you spend another $50 millone bucks to drill into concrete.
My 2 cents worth.

Cheers!
"NR100"


Network Rail in the UK propose to overcome this problem by use of SDO (Selective Door Opening). How having 1 1/2 cars overhanging in tunnel at each end of the Underground Stations is going to work in practice - well that's another story altogether.

DW in Don, Tas.
  Northmetro Junior Train Controller

It certainly won't help station dwell time

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