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  42101 Banned

Location: Banned
Bump due to the amount of lazy sods we have had on here in the last couple of weeks.
READ from page 1 all of you who are TOO LAZY to use punctuation,grammer and capital letters where required.

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  wurx Lithgovian Ambassador-at-Large

Location: The mystical lost principality of Daptovia
What he said  Mad
  TheLoadedDog The Ghost of George Stephenson

Bump due to the amount of lazy sods we have had on here in the last couple of weeks.
READ from page 1 all of you who are TOO LAZY to use punctuation,grammer and capital letters where required.
"42101"


Yep.

In another change, due to the increased annoyance generated by the sheer amount of craptacular spelling and grammar on here, I'm going to abandon my former personal rule of not pulling up individuals and rather saving my spleen for threads such as this:  from now on, I'll be marking you, children. The red pen is out!  I hope others join me.  I care not if I am accused of being anal, pretentious, or any of the rest of it.
  Bigwato Chief Commissioner

Location: Craigieburn Victoria
I blame the teachers of today! Even when I attended High School in the 80's, the level being taught was appalling! My 12 yr old asks me time after time how do I spell occur, and other basic words. I am pulling my hair out trying to get her to understand the basics.
  TheLoadedDog The Ghost of George Stephenson

Bigwato, I was in the same boat.  The spelling and grammar components of the curriculum went south in the early 1970s, and have since stayed there.

If you want your daughter to improve, I suggest you do three things:

1.  Encourage reading.
2. Encourage reading.
3. Encourage reading.

That's how I learned.

Even if you make it a habit to sit down with her at breakfast and go over a newspaper article, that's a good start.  She doesn't have to be "bookish" if that's not her personality, but she does need to be around the written word.


Edited to add:

She'd be on the cusp of High School, yeah?  She won't get much basic grammar in that place.  It's all about mathematics and the sciences.  So don't rely on the teachers - this is something you can do at home (unlike the maths homework help if you're anything like me).  One thing high school can offer her is the chance to learn a foreign language - this is something she must jump at  (at which she must jump  8)  ).
  Maikha Moderator Not a gunzel

English is my second language.

So how did I improve on it at school? My parents got me both a Macquarie Dictionary and a Thesaurus and both never went more than a metre away from me while doing homework throughout primary and high-school.

Sounds nerdy, yes. But the marks said otherwise  8)
  xxxxlbear Token Booking Clerk

Location: Geelong
Most of the kids these days, is it generation x....or have we progressed to generation y yet?  Rolling Eyes , would not know what a thesaurus is, or even how to use one.
  Bwana Chief Commissioner

She won't get much basic grammar in that place.  It's all about mathematics and the sciences.
"TheLoadedDog™™"

That depends actually on the school. My school had the word "Technical" in the title, so you can probably guess where we were centred, but the two schools I worked at were VERY focused on the expressive arts, particularly the last one which was very focused on drama and visual art - to the point of spending (from memory) $20Million on a theatre at the time I left, and having a (small) art gallery.

If I was to make some generalisations, girls schools and private schools are more focused on the expressive arts (including writing), public schools and boys schools are more focused on the science/maths area. With that said, if you have a boy that you don't have the money to send to private school, but do want to improve their expressional skills, there are schools around for you, you'll just have to look hard (and hope they accept your son). Same for a daughter you want to become an engineer, although your search will be a bit easier.
  biqua Paper Tiger

Location: Under a rock
... but the two schools I worked at were VERY focused on the expressive arts, particularly the last one which was very focused on drama and visual art - to the point of spending (from memory) $20Million on a theatre at the time I left, and having a (small) art gallery.
"Bwana"

It wasn't Summer Heights High was it? Wink
  TheLoadedDog The Ghost of George Stephenson

...but the two schools I worked at were VERY focused on the expressive arts, particularly the last one which was very focused on drama and visual art - to the point of spending (from memory) $20Million on a theatre at the time I left, and having a (small) art gallery..
"Bwana"


Yeah, but that conjures up images of an assembly hall full of kids swayig about being told "pretend you're a tree".  All well and good I suppose, and my own school had lots of that kind of stuff.  What I'm talking about, though, is a classroom full of kids being told, "Open your grammar textbook to chapter 17 - Use of the Subjunctive".  You don't find much of that these days.
  Bwana Chief Commissioner

I grant chapter 17 will never be opened in a classroom again. Maybe it should be, instead of wasting the left-brainer's time on finding the humour in "Merchant of Venice" or trying to follow even the freakin' plotline in Wuthering Heights when there are multiple characters with the same freakin' name!! (something I never achieved - can you tell it's a sore point for me?).

Don't get me wrong, if Billy Shakespeare does it for you, go for it - in 3U english. But unless you're also studying Al's theory of relativity, don't shove Billy into the face of a left brain thinker, or expect them to give a rats how freakin' funny Portia's judgement to that bastard Shylock was. Sorry, I've read it twice, seen it once, and it is no better, or important, than last weeks episodes of Neighbours - and should have been forgotten about equally quickly.
  wurx Lithgovian Ambassador-at-Large

Location: The mystical lost principality of Daptovia
Bigwato, I was in the same boat.  The spelling and grammar components of the curriculum went south in the early 1970s, and have since stayed there.

If you want your daughter to improve, I suggest you do three things:

1. Encourage reading.
2. Encourage reading.
3. Encourage reading.

That's how I learned.

Even if you make it a habit to sit down with her at breakfast and go over a newspaper article, that's a good start.  She doesn't have to be "bookish" if that's not her personality, but she does need to be around the written word.


Edited to add:

She'd be on the cusp of High School, yeah?  She won't get much basic grammar in that place.  It's all about mathematics and the sciences.  So don't rely on the teachers - this is something you can do at home (unlike the maths homework help if you're anything like me).  One thing high school can offer her is the chance to learn a foreign language - this is something she must jump at  (at which she must jump  8)  ).
"TheLoadedDog™™"

May I add to the "encourage reading" theory (which BTW worked very well for me Smile ) - crosswords.

Crosswords are excellent brainfood, and the more you do them, the better you get at doing them. It makes your brain think of words, think of the spelling of words, think of synonyms (other words that mean the word in question, eg ball = orb = globe = planet, etc etc).

Can only add to the education and experience.
  David Peters Dr Beeching

Location: "With Hey Boy".
Crosswords have other abilities too, especially when you know the word, but cannot remember it, out comes the dictionary or thesaurus to look it up! Along the way you learn other words that can sometimes seem to jump off the pages at you! 8)
  574M White Guru

Location: Shepparton
I grant chapter 17 will never be opened in a classroom again. Maybe it should be, instead of wasting the left-brainer's time on finding the humour in "Merchant of Venice" or trying to follow even the freakin' plotline in Wuthering Heights when there are multiple characters with the same freakin' name!! (something I never achieved - can you tell it's a sore point for me?).

Don't get me wrong, if Billy Shakespeare does it for you, go for it - in 3U english. But unless you're also studying Al's theory of relativity, don't shove Billy into the face of a left brain thinker, or expect them to give a rats how freakin' funny Portia's judgement to that bastard Shylock was. Sorry, I've read it twice, seen it once, and it is no better, or important, than last weeks episodes of Neighbours - and should have been forgotten about equally quickly.
"Bwana"


Perhaps you will merit Heaven without all this, Bwana.  Portia and Shylock will not be the conversation at the Pearly Gates, I can tell you.
  Bwana Chief Commissioner

Perhaps you will merit Heaven without all this, Bwana. Portia and Shylock will not be the conversation at the Pearly Gates, I can tell you.
I doubt Chapter 17 will get you too far either. Chapter 17 MIGHT, however, help you (or at least your audience) between now and then.
  tbohlsennswssrg Chief Train Controller

Location: Roseville, Sydney, NSW
For all you abriviations needs go to Arrowhttp://www.acronymfinder.com/   8)  8)  8)
  David Peters Dr Beeching

Location: "With Hey Boy".
Personally if you have to abbreviate words like this you are just lazy, when writing by hand and if you need to be quick I can allow it, but typing on a computer it does not take much longer to type the full word than to type the abbreviation, You is an example it is only two letters less when put as U.

Also correct English make it a lot easier, on those of us that do not use chat speak, to understand what you are trying to say. If you cannot punctuate properly it does not really matter as long as you separate, say every second sentence by double spacing it, this makes it easier to read, although correct punctuation does help here!

I have to agree with TLD™ though education could stand to go back to the three R's, Reading, Riting and Rythamatic! Laughing
  Aaron Minister for Railways

Location: University of Adelaide SA
Personally if you have to abbreviate words like this you are just lazy, when writing by hand and if you need to be quick I can allow it, but typing on a computer it does not take much longer to type the full word than to type the abbreviation, You is an example it is only two letters less when put as U.
"David Peters"


*You* might only be two more letters, but it is also 300% more to type...

Also correct English make it a lot easier, on those of us that do not use chat speak, to understand what you are trying to say. If you cannot punctuate properly it does not really matter as long as you separate, say every second sentence by double spacing it, this makes it easier to read, although correct punctuation does help here!
"David Peters"


A nice example of what not to follow huh? *Do as I say, not as I do* and all that. Nice punctuation and top marks for spelling too! Rolling Eyes
  David Peters Dr Beeching

Location: "With Hey Boy".
We was to poor, to have a mudda! LaughingLaughingLaughingLaughing
  JatzCrackers Chief Commissioner

Location: Castle Crackers, Lithgovia
In my experience, learning a second language will teach you about your native tongue as well. It puts things in perspective, if that term may be used in reference to grammar.

["Excuse me, sir. I noticed that you made that turn of phrase while simultaneously using a gerund in a roundabout way. I'm afraid I'll have to ask to see your poetic license. Thank you."]
  alstom_888m Chief Commissioner

Location:
I have French as a second language. Not enough to live on it but enough to get around. You'd be suprised how much simularties there are to English.

Mind you my English skills are quite pathetic too.
  David Peters Dr Beeching

Location: "With Hey Boy".
I know 3 languages, English (well sometimes), Australian Strine and bad language! Does that make me multi- lingual! LaughingLaughingLaughing
  phower Chief Commissioner

Location: Over on Kangaroo Island Sth Aust
As are some I use regularly, such as AFAIK and AIUI.

Cheers
David
"DavidB"


as for the use of these  I agree.. but some do not know what they mean , so for the benefit of those  who don't know   "please Explain "   , I know but some don't .. Rolling EyesLaughingWink
  ARG706 Chief Commissioner

Location: SA
As are some I use regularly, such as AFAIK and AIUI.

Cheers
David
"DavidB"


as for the use of these  I agree.. but some do not know what they mean , so for the benefit of those  who don't know   "please Explain "   , I know but some don't .. Rolling EyesLaughingWink
"phower"


Hmm, you might be waiting a while as DavidB has long since departed from this forum
  phower Chief Commissioner

Location: Over on Kangaroo Island Sth Aust
Well I thought some of the moderators might like to have a go at explaining !!

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