Lets see if you know your tracks!! What station is that???

mortrail · Posted: Tue Jul 01, 2008 7:30 am

not navigators/navigator

RoderickSmith · Posted: Tue Jul 01, 2008 11:35 am

RATM has stalled; this could be a duplicate sending.

Layout way back, a board-of trade access to an up-end up-side goods shed on double line. Clue: not urban (then, or still?).

Melbourne - Bendigo: not Sunbury, Clarkefield, Riddell, Redesdale Jn, Taradale, Elphinstone,
North Geelong - Ballarat: not Moorabool, Bannockburn, Lethbridge, Meredith, Elaine, Lal Lal, Navigator

For this entry: Gisborne. I knocked it earlier because of the the diagram didn't show the refuge siding, but perhaps cropping is responsible.

Roderick B Smith
Rail News Victoria Editor

mortrail · Posted: Tue Jul 01, 2008 5:57 pm

the prosess of elimination will win out in the end

The diagram is dated 1967

mortrail · Posted: Tue Jul 01, 2008 5:57 pm

the prosess of elimination will win out in the end

The diagram is dated 1967

mortrail · Posted: Tue Jul 01, 2008 5:58 pm

the prosess of elimination will win out in the end

The diagram is dated 1967

duttonbay · Posted: Tue Jul 01, 2008 7:28 pm

Gisborne? I would like to see a scan of the whole diagram.

I have no recollection of layout anything like that in the mid-60s, and indeed I thought that the goods shed was on the down side of the line, rather than the up side.

The SRSV document http://www.vrhistory.com/Locations/Gisborne.pdf doesn't match this snippet - but does at least back my memory of the goods shed.

Sorry, but this doesn't look anything like Gisborne to me...

John Dennis
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RoderickSmith · Posted: Tue Jul 01, 2008 8:03 pm

As I move into the marginals, Diggers Rest. It wasn't urban then, and is barely urban now (in metcard, and urban for other RATM quizzes, but not electrified). Certainly, it had a signal frame on the up platform.

It is certainly harder than at first sight: others have quit after one entry, or have never entered the field at all.
As usual, I am working from memory, and not from consulting diagrams (which I don't have) or photos (which I may have, but too hard to find).

Roderick B Smith
Rail News Victoria Editor

duttonbay · Posted: Tue Jul 01, 2008 8:07 pm

Ahh, I see that Rod has considered "the prosess of elimination will win out in the end" to mean No to Gisborne, whereas I thought you were saying that the process of elimination had come up with a winner...

Ignore my previous post.

John Dennis
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Lance-Fieldline · Posted: Wed Jul 02, 2008 5:04 am

Beveridge

mortrail · Posted: Wed Jul 02, 2008 8:47 pm

And beveridge it is

OVer to you

Ballast_Plough · Posted: Thu Jul 03, 2008 10:16 am

Hmmm - I vaguely remember being comatose one camping trip where that siding used to be. I think Hosking knows it well too!

My pics here - and the Forsayth Goods here!

Brendan McKenna
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duttonbay · Posted: Thu Jul 03, 2008 10:55 am

That was a good choice for the quiz.

It might have been a little easier if the drawing had been oriented conventionally with Melbourne to the left. I think we were all looking for a signal box and goods shed on the up side of the line, not the down side At least, I know I was...

The connection between the siding and the up line (over the diamond) was not placed out of use until 1977. I must admit that surprised me, but Beveridge was a place I tended to ignore as I headed for Wallan and points north.

John Dennis
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RoderickSmith · Posted: Thu Jul 03, 2008 11:22 am

While on the post mortems,
I had discounted Mangalore (and Geelong and Moe) because the duplication came in a later era, when layouts didn't follow Board of Trade.
'Destiny' doesn't have any diagrams. It does mention that provision had been made for the duplication in the original design: all that had to happen was the linking of the loops to the new second track.
Even so, that means that Beveridge got Board of Trade in 1873, perhaps a decade after the last previous application of the style had been built, and other stations on the line didn't? Perhaps they did, but all had been demolished in any era which I can remember. IIRC, the only AREA Beveridge railmotor tour which I ever rode had to go further on to reverse, the ability to refuge and cross over had gone (and that was the main reason for selecting the destination, also the fact that it was remote from the nearest pub).
With duplication, Tallarook was the only yard requiring remodelling.

This hints that Somerton, Donnybrook, Wallan, Wandong, Kilmore East and Broadford did have similar layouts in some era: conceivably every one with the goods shed on the down side at the down end.

What was the source of the diagram: it wasn't in 'Destiny', and the fact that it was reversed from convention hints that it wasn't a VR one either.

Roderick B Smith
Rail News Victoria Editor

duttonbay · Posted: Thu Jul 03, 2008 2:25 pm

According to the information on Andrew Waugh's site (Beveridge is http://www.vrhistory.com/Locations/Beveridge.pdf ) the BoT arrangement, but with a single slip, dates from 1885 or 1886, when duplication was extended to Wallan. The diamond replaced the compound by 1900.

It's interesting that Donnybrook had the same arrangement as Beveridge in 1886, but the single-slip was replaced by a pair of trailing crossovers rather than a diamond, by 1900.

The only other station with a diamond (except for Heathcote Junction) was Broadford, where one was used to gain access to the yard on the up side (from the down main) until 1961, when with the advent of SG the goods siding was moved to the down side, and a new diamond provided for access from the up line. This lasted until 1981.

John Dennis
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Andyroo · Posted: Thu Jul 03, 2008 6:14 pm

Beveridge box diagram from Mark Bau's site.

http://www.victorianrailways.net/signaling/completedia/beveridgebox.html

This seems to be the diagram used in the previous quiz.

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