Footscray-Abattoirs Line

 
  ninthnotch Dr Beeching

Location: Not here. Try another castle.
I have read information in the past regarding this line - that it had a large electric staff controlling it and branched off between South Kensington and Footscray.  I've found a siding called 'Kenstore' on a 1963 signal diagram:



Anyone have any more information?

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  PalmerEldritch Say goodnight to the bad guy

Location: Princes Park, Carlton
I've never heard of the Kenstore siding, but I've always wondered if the area that is know a park in Kensington Banks bounded by The Crescent and Moylan Lane had a platform for the abbatoirs, with a siding following the path of the present Mercantile Parade south east to the main line just on the down from South Kensington station.
  ninthnotch Dr Beeching

Location: Not here. Try another castle.
Found it on the 1966 Melways:



Compare it to the map now:



When did it close?
  Riccardo Minister for Railways

Location: Gone. Don't bother PMing here.
Could have made a good spur line!

Flemington Racecourse branch 2 (don't laugh, Versailles in Paris has three railway stations, 1 on the main line and 2 on 2 separate spur lines all with 1km walk of each other)
  David Brent Station Master

Location: Slough Business Park with Gareth & Tim
Forgive me if I misunderstand but the 1966 Melway seems to contradict the 1963 signals diagram. The signals diagram seems to say that the line branched up of South Kensington station, ran parallel to the Footscray line (where Childers Street now is) and lines then went each to Kenstore and to the abattoirs.

The Melway says the line branched down of South Kensington station. Was the Melway incorrect or was the branching moved between 1963 and 1966?

To further confuse things, http://www.vrhistory.com/VRMaps/Vic1960.pdf seems to indicate that the Kenstore siding and the line to the abattoirs were the same line. It agrees with the signals diagram and not the Melway as to where the line(s) branched in relation to South Kensington station - ie. on the up side.

Also, doesn't the signals diagram indicate that all of the lines down of South Kensington station cross Footscray Road? I assume this should be Kensington Road?
  Riccardo Minister for Railways

Location: Gone. Don't bother PMing here.
I wouldn't take the Melways as gospel. The line may have branched up of Sth K but physically run along side it and then diverged.

The signal diagram isn't literal but even then it suggests that in the vicinity of the platforms the line would have been there, a diverge sooner than that would be shown at an acute angle.

But to reiterate, don't take the Melways as gospel
  ParkesHub Chief Commissioner

I wouldn't take the Melways as gospel. The line may have branched up of Sth K but physically run along side it and then diverged.

The signal diagram isn't literal but even then it suggests that in the vicinity of the platforms the line would have been there, a diverge sooner than that would be shown at an acute angle.

But to reiterate, don't take the Melways as gospel
"Riccardo"


From often going past that location, there does seem to be some credence to it running along side. There is what appears to be the remains of an old formation that disappears at about Sth K Stn.
  David Brent Station Master

Location: Slough Business Park with Gareth & Tim
Riccardo, I take your point about Melways.

I note that (pre-Melways) Morgan's directories also show the abattoirs line branching at the same point as Melways.

I've got a Morgan's from 1936 and it and all subsequent Morgan's only show one abattoirs line; ie. no second line/Kenstore siding along the current Mercantile Parade.  The line has been messily erased from the 44th Morgan's edition of the mid- to late-1960s.

All that said, if Melways shouldn't be taken as gospel, that's not a good sign for Morgan's which is nowhere near as accurate!

And to answer my own query: Kensington Road was formerly Footscray Road.  New Melbourne and Footscray Road became the current Footscray Road in the early 1960s.
  cageyr Locomotive Fireman

There was also another siding between South Kensington and Footscray into the Angliss abattoirs, which branched off the up line via facing points a short distance on the Sth Kensington side of the Hopkins Street bridge. This ran parallel with the main line before terminating in a head shunt high on an embankment towards the Maribyrnong River. A trailing siding then ran back into the meatworks, which were in the vicinity of the Beevers St/Jamieson Ave area. (Melways 42E3). I was always intrigued by the buffers on the end of the embankment and the difficulty of shunting the siding. Victorian Railways also recognised the difficulty of shunting the siding, as the Footscray- Angliss's siding rates a full page of instructions in both the 1936 and 1954 Victorian Railways General Appendix, which reads in part as follows-
"When a train is working in the siding, the driver must approach the Buffer Stops at the South Kensington end, either from the station or from the Freezing Works, with great caution, as the grade is a falling on of 1 in 40 to the Buffer Stops, and the Stops are about 30 feet above the ordinary ground level. The space between the Buffer Stops and the Points will hold ten medium trucks and the engine".
And a little further on,"There are no facilities for an engine to run around trucks in the Siding".
I am not sure when the siding was dismantled, but it certainly would have been gone when the quadruplication was opened between South Kensington and Footscray in November 1976.
As for Electric Staff working, I doubt it, given the length of the siding and the difficulties of a train working there.
Regards
cageyr
  Dreadnought Assistant Commissioner

Location: Oooh, look! [Pointing upwards] An eagle!!
According to the Weekly Notice Extracts, the Angliss Siding in Footscray was provided (connected to Down line) on 16/10/05, connection changed from Down line to Up line on 04/11/56, was spiked OOU on 15/01/70 and finally, connection was abolised on 08/02/70.

Certainly would have been an interesting shunting run...
Cheers,
Dreadnought
  PalmerEldritch Say goodnight to the bad guy

Location: Princes Park, Carlton
Thanks for posting the map ninthnotch, not quite where I had it pictured but not too far either  Smile

Could have made a good spur line!

Flemington Racecourse branch 2 (don't laugh, Versailles in Paris has three railway stations, 1 on the main line and 2 on 2 separate spur lines all with 1km walk of each other)
"Riccardo"

It could have been useful as a more direct route to the airport!

You could have removed South Kensington station, built a station at Kensington Banks and then sunk the line under Flemington Racecourse and the Maribyrnong River with the next station at Edgewater Maribyrnong then Highpoint, Airport West, Tullamarine etc (all underground)  Smile
  Railfan9949 Chief Commissioner

Location: Somewhere between Gembrook to Healesville to Seymour to Maldon
Abattoir!!  Shocked

Hey, I just learnt something new today!!

As my grandma living at Flemington which isn't too far away from the location, we always drive pass there on the way to Footscray Market..

I can still recall the empty stables there and the old red brick sheds which I now know is the abattoir building...

IIRC one of the sheds where preserved and turned into an apartment??

But hey.. that block of land is opposite the Racecourse and is HOT HOT HOT property I just wonder how many residence knew it's past history?! Rolling Eyes
  Zen Dave Junior Train Controller

Location: Canberra - Q2
Something to remember about street directories generally is that they are designed for road users.  So Melway (note the lack of an "s") will quite happily alter something unimportant like railway line locations, mainly to give a cleaner appearance to the page.

In cartographic terms, we call this "generalisation"; omitting or simplifying details of lesser importance to the purpose of the map.

So I'd more believe the signals diagram.

Quirky things about street directories:
When the first edition of Sydway appeared, they left out Valley Heights station on the map (and Casula in the index to stations).  They also spelt Darling Harbour (the water feature, not the locality) as "Darling Harour".

When I was working on the first vehicle navigation data for Sydney, we found large sections of streets in a few suburbs in Sydney UBD that were up to 100 metres out.

The main reason Melbourne UBD changed its style was to try to capture the Melway market, but there were very strong rumours that positional accuracy was extremely poor across the whole directory.

Finally, before the change of style, more Melbourne UBD directories were sold out of Melbourne than to Melburnians.
  ninthnotch Dr Beeching

Location: Not here. Try another castle.
Thanks everyone for your answers on this.
  Rodo Chief Commissioner

Location: Southern Riverina
I have certainly heard of it and been past it but never shunted it out.









My wife went to the station to see the engines shunt.
A bit of steel flew off the wheel and hit her in the.
Country girls are nice, city girls have class.
Put their heads between their legs and whistle up their.
Auntie Mary had a canary, thought it was a duck.
Took it behind the kitchen door and taught it how to.
  Dreadnought Assistant Commissioner

Location: Oooh, look! [Pointing upwards] An eagle!!
re: the Angliss Siding...

Was the primary traffic livestock in, meat out or both??

Also, was the "stock bridge" shown in both of ninthnotch's Melways maps across the Maryibyrnong River to take stock from the Markets to the NE of the river to the Angliss works on the SW of the river??

Cheers,
Dreadnought
  cageyr Locomotive Fireman

AFAIK, livestock for Angliss Footscray, and all other meatworks in the Kensington area was unloaded at Newmarket Cattle Yards on the Flemington Racecourse/Showgrounds line, and taken on foot by drovers to the various meatworks in the area. The Angliss siding (also mentioned as the Freezing Works in the VR General Appendix) was presumably to take the finished product out. That it was probably used for this purpose is shown by the fact that 8 "T" trucks ( according to the VR 1959 Traffic Branch Instructions for the Transportation of Goods) were each fitted out with 115 carcass hooks specifically for W Angliss & Co.
Also of interest is that the the other line mentioned in this thread from South Kensington to City Abattoirs was able to take "A2" and lighter, and "B" class locos subject to a maximum speed of 10MPH, according to the November 1963 Northern & Midland Working Timetable. [/quote]
  Dreadnought Assistant Commissioner

Location: Oooh, look! [Pointing upwards] An eagle!!
I had heard from various people that they had seen "T" wagons being shunted there but I didn't know whether they were the only rollingstock to visit the siding.

The movement of stock from the area along the Flemington RC Line through Kensington to the butchers also tends to fit in with the existing stockbridge over the Maribyrnong.

Cheers,
Dreadnought
  Via City Loop Chief Commissioner

The "Stock Route" is now a walking/ bike path and wide rassed area running though the Kensington Banks area from the Stockbridge to Kensington Community High School on the saleyards site at the corner of Racecourse and Smithfied Roads. I think Newmarket Plaza was built over the northern side of Racecourse Rd.

There's no evidence left of the Kenstore line that comes to mind. I'll have a closer look next time I'm having a stroll in the park.
  Edith Chief Commissioner

Location: Line 1 from Porte de Vincennes bound for Bastille station
Abattoir!!  Shocked

that block of land is opposite the Racecourse and is HOT HOT HOT property I just wonder how many residence knew it's past history?! Rolling Eyes
"Railfan9949"


When Back Abattoirs Road becomes Stockman's Way, we introduce some degree of camouflage into the history of the area.    Wink
  Flagstaff Red Afro

Location: Eaglemont, Hursty line, Melbourne.
I quite like the area. Everyone who sees the area would know it was something historically, the first time I drove through the area I thought stockmans way was initially a railway line.
  Railfan9949 Chief Commissioner

Location: Somewhere between Gembrook to Healesville to Seymour to Maldon
Behold.. the site of the Former Abattoir.. taken from 'Google Earth'!



For those who are unsure of the site.. if you look at the bottom left you will see a compass and next to it is a railway line.. if you follow it in a 'North West' direction you will find a road which runs under this railway line and a bit before that is a street coming on this road..

That is the location of the intersection of Kensington Road and Hobsons Rd...  

From there it is best to have a melways on the lap or in front of you as well.. since now you have a 'starting point'!

[edit] Indeed i try to take a shot of the whole block... as almost to the top right corner you might be able to see a intersection.. that is indeed corner of Smithfield Rd and Epsom Rd!

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