El Zorro

brads · Posted: Fri Mar 14, 2008 2:33 pm

MEASWELL · Posted: Mon Mar 17, 2008 2:31 pm

dcn llyds list today 17th march

PN `to scrap or sell excess rolling stock overseas'

Excess rolling stock belonging to Pacific National would be scrapped or sold overseas, rail industry insiders have told Lloyd's List DCN
But the rail operator said it was still in talks with grain companies about the future of its equipment after its downsizing of grain services in New South Wales and Victoria.
The loss of rolling stock would make it difficult for other operators to move into grain transport in the short term and could threaten the handling of a bumper harvests.
Rail operator El Zorro, ambitious to secure a long-term contact with AWB to handle a greater volume of New South Wales and Victorian grain than previously, had been in contact with Pacific National parent company Asciano to lease or purchase its equipment, El Zorro business manager, Geoff Tighe, said.
"I spoke to Mark Rowsthorn regarding the acquisition or lease of their equipment, particularly grain hoppers," Mr Tighe said.
"Mark Rowsthorn indicated that Asciano had other plans for the equipment.
"It will be scrapped or sold overseas.
"He (Mark Rowsthorn) indicated that they might rest in Saudi Arabia."
Mr Tighe said no Australian operator would have access to the equipment because he was told a better outcome for Asciano would be to sell it overseas.
"Saudi Arabia is the best financial option for his company," Mr Tighe said.
Last December, Asciano said that it would exit, sell or significantly downsize Pacific National's grain rail services in NSW and Victoria because of losses of $3m a month.
Asciano spokeswoman Marie Festa told Lloyd's List DCN the company would consider all options regarding the future of its rolling stock.
"We are continuing discussions with our customers – the grain companies – and until we finalise those discussions, we cannot confirm what we will do with excess rolling stock," Ms Festa said.
Asciano said the company's bulk services division, which included coal, industrial products and grain, had about 400 locomotives and 8,500 wagons.
Ms Festa said she could not provide a split as some equipment was used across the different areas.
The Australian Bureau of Agriculture and Resource Economics, in its March quarter commodities report, predicted that Australian wheat exports would rise by 9m tonnes in 2008/09.
"The value of Australian wheat exports would increase to $4.7bn – more than double the value in 2007/08," the report said.
Mr Tighe said he was concerned that there would not be enough rolling stock available to facilitate a bumper wheat crop in 2008/09.
"We are currently organising to get those resources in place," he said.
"But there will not be enough resources, in an adequate and timely manner, if we have a large grain harvest."
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lets hope common sense prevails here, i know that PN owe nothing to other operators but this really does smack of "crash & burn"!!! is it just another way for Toll to push more & more stuff onto their trucks

mjja · Posted: Mon Mar 17, 2008 6:10 pm

If only Geoff Tighe had that conversation on PN letterhead with a signature in ink at the bottom, instead of being a phone conversation, there'd be iron-clad proof that PN is being anti-competitive with its rollingstock. There can be no way in the world a buyer in Saudi Arabia would be willing to pay more than a local can, taking the cost of shipping into account.

Happy Gunzelling and remember, "Go by rail!"

Michael Angelico
President, Smart Passengers Inc
(My opinions are my own unless specifically stated.)

NathanCastle · Posted: Fri Mar 21, 2008 2:53 pm

bingley hall · Posted: Fri Mar 21, 2008 10:49 pm

Asciano is part of a consortium that is currently favourite to win the concession for a 1000km landbridge railway in Saudi.

Bing

Life is just a bowl of All Bran...you wake up every morning and it's there

NR26 · Posted: Tue Apr 08, 2008 6:36 pm

T356-S303-S313-T342 and T396 ran another El Zorro grain yesterday going into today

NR26

Flatop · Posted: Tue Apr 08, 2008 6:49 pm

G41 · Posted: Tue Apr 08, 2008 6:53 pm

S313 is currently in the L & N livery for the amerian film shoot.

Cheers

Matty C
"Signallers tell drivers where to go"
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MEASWELL · Posted: Wed Apr 09, 2008 8:19 am

there are pictures posted in the Victorian Forums under misc Vic sightings

Sammy D · Posted: Sun Apr 13, 2008 7:32 pm

Rumour has it Toll have a massive order for grain Trailers for Road Semi's!

This is only a rumour that I heard from a source I cannot mention.

Sammy D The Vice-President of the Diamond Valley Railway.

All comments are my own and do not reflect the views of the above mentioned railway unless otherwise stated.

cookie930 · Posted: Mon Apr 14, 2008 3:46 pm

mjja · Posted: Mon Apr 14, 2008 5:36 pm

Go Zorro!

Happy Gunzelling and remember, "Go by rail!"

Michael Angelico
President, Smart Passengers Inc
(My opinions are my own unless specifically stated.)

janesmith1 · Posted: Wed Apr 23, 2008 10:23 pm

TAA 0295-2008 Page 1 21/04/2008
TRAIN ALTERATION ADVICE NO: 0295-2008
DUE TO THE FOLLOWING:
AMENDMENTS TO THE STANDARD WORKING TIMETABLE
AMENDMENT 1
ALTERATIONS TO THE STANDARD WORKING TIMETABLE
BOOK 4, BOOK 5, WILL APPLY FROM 4th May 2008 until 27thDecember 2008
The below amendments will be included in Version 3 of the 6th Jan 2008 SWTT from the 4th
May 2008 until 2nd August 2008 and will be assessable on the ARTC web site at
www.artc.com.au
NORTH BOOK 5
Page NW119
Insert 1MQ5 for Tuesday Length 605 mtrs, Schedule C1, Status M, Operator El Zorro, Commodity Grain
will arrive Werris Creek 0312, depart 0354, arrive Gap Junction 0401, depart 0406, arrive Breeza 0424, depart
0429, arrive Curlewis 0455, depart 0500, pass Gunnedah 0519, arrive Gunnedah Loop 0522, depart 0527, arrive
Emerald Hill 0542, depart 0547, arrive Boggabri 0609, depart 0614, pass Boggabri Coal Loader Junction 0627,
arrive Turrawan 0653, depart 0658, arrive Narrabri 0723, depart 0728, arrive Edgeroi 0753, depart 0758, arrive
Bellata 0818, depart 0902, arrive Gurley 0922, depart 0927, arrive Moree 0955 terminate.
Page NW124
Insert 3MQ5 for Thursday Length 605 mtrs, Schedule C1, Status M, Operator El Zorro, Commodity Grain
will arrive Werris Creek 0214, depart 0354, arrive Gap Junction 0401, depart 0406, arrive Breeza 0424, depart
0429, arrive Curlewis 0455, depart 0500, pass Gunnedah 0519, arrive Gunnedah Loop 0522, depart 0527, arrive
Emerald Hill 0542, depart 0547, arrive Boggabri 0609, depart 0614, pass Boggabri Coal Loader Junction 0627,
arrive Turrawan 0653, depart 0658, arrive Narrabri 0723, depart 0728, arrive Edgeroi 0753, depart 0758, arrive
Bellata 0818, depart 0902, arrive Gurley 0922, depart 0927, arrive Moree 0955 terminate.
Page NW129
Insert 6MQ5 for Saturday Length 605 mtrs, Schedule C1, Status M, Operator El Zorro, Commodity Grain
will arrive Werris Creek 0915, depart 0945, arrive Gap Junction 0952, depart 0957, arrive Breeza 1015, depart
1122, arrive Curlewis 1148, depart 1153, pass Gunnedah 1212, arrive Gunnedah Loop 1215, depart 1242, arrive
Emerald Hill 1257, depart 1302, arrive Boggabri 1324, depart 1402, pass Boggabri Coal Loader Junction 1415,
arrive Turrawan 1441, depart 1609, arrive Narrabri 1634, depart 1639, arrive Edgeroi 1704, depart 1709, pass
Bellata 1728, arrive Gurley 1747, depart 1752, arrive Moree 1820 terminate.
Page NW137
Insert 3QM5 for Tuesday Length 605 mtrs, Schedule C1, Status M, Operator El Zorro, Commodity Grain
will depart Moree 2045, arrive Gurley 2116, depart 2121, arrive Bellata 2143, depart 2148, arrive Edgeroi 2210,
depart 2215, arrive Narrabri 2240, depart 2245, arrive Turrawan 2313, depart 2318, pass Boggabri Coal Loader
Junction 2346, arrive Boggabri 0001, depart 0006, arrive Emerald Hill 0025, depart 0100, arrive Gunnedah Loop
0115, depart 0155, arrive Gunnedah 0159, depart 0204, arrive Curlewis 0223, depart 0311, arrive Breeza 0339,
depart 0740, arrive Gap Junction 0802, depart 0807, arrive Werris Creek 0815, depart 0900.
TAA 0295-2008 Page 2 21/04/2008
Page NW142
Insert 5QM5 for Thursday Length 605 mtrs, Schedule C1, Status M, Operator El Zorro, Commodity Grain
will depart Moree 2045, arrive Gurley 2116, depart 2121, arrive Bellata 2143, depart 2148, arrive Edgeroi 2210,
depart 2215, arrive Narrabri 2240, depart 2245, arrive Turrawan 2313, depart 2318, pass Boggabri Coal Loader
Junction 2346, arrive Boggabri 0001, depart 0006, arrive Emerald Hill 0025, depart 0056, arrive Gunnedah Loop
0111, depart 0116, arrive Gunnedah 0120, depart 0148, arrive Curlewis 0207, depart 0307, arrive Breeza 0335,
depart 0740, arrive Gap Junction 0802, depart 0807, arrive Werris Creek 0815, depart 0909.
Page NW146
Insert 1QM5 for Sunday Length 605 mtrs, Schedule C1, Status M, Operator El Zorro, Commodity Grain
will depart Moree 0440, arrive Gurley 0511, depart 0516, arrive Bellata 0538, depart 0543, arrive Edgeroi 0605,
depart 0610, arrive Narrabri 0635, depart 0640, arrive Turrawan 0708, depart 0845, pass Boggabri Coal Loader
Junction 0913, arrive Boggabri 0928, depart 0933, pass Emerald Hill 0951, arrive Gunnedah Loop 1005, depart
1135, arrive Gunnedah 1139, depart 1144, arrive Curlewis 1203, depart 1208, arrive Breeza 1236, depart 1241,
arrive Gap Junction 1303, depart 1308, arrive Werris Creek 1316, depart 1346.
Page NW257
Insert 3QM5 for Wednesday Length 605 mtrs, Schedule C1, Status M, Operator El Zorro, Commodity
Grain will arrive Werris Creek 0815, depart 0900, pass Gap Junction 0906, arrive Springridge 0937, depart 0942,
pass Tamarang 0957, arrive Premer 1016, depart 1021, pass Weetaliba 1105, arrive Binnaway 1130, depart 1135,
pass Neilrex 1158, arrive Merrygoen 1216, depart 1221, arrive Elong Elong 1331, depart 1336, pass Troy Jct
1431, arrive Dubbo 1436, depart 1441, arrive Minore 1505, depart 1510, arrive Narromine 1530, depart 1535,
pass Narromine Agrigrain 1539, Narwonah 1546, Wyanga 1600, Tomingley West 1611, arrive Peak Hill 1626,
depart 1640, pass Mickibri 1655, Alectown West 1704, Goonumbla 1710, arrive Goobang Jct 1729, depart 1734,
pass Parkes Jct 1737.
Page NW258
Insert 5QM5 for Friday Length 605 mtrs, Schedule C1, Status M, Operator El Zorro, Commodity Grain
will arrive Werris Creek 0815, depart 0909, pass Gap Junction 0915, arrive Springridge 0946, depart 0951, pass
Tamarang 1006, arrive Premer 1025, depart 1030, pass Weetaliba 1114, arrive Binnaway 1139, depart 1144, pass
Neilrex 1207, arrive Merrygoen 1225, depart 1230, arrive Elong Elong 1340, depart 1345, pass Troy Jct 1440,
arrive Dubbo 1445, depart 1450, pass Minore 1513, Narromine 1531, Narromine Agrigrain 1534, Narwonah
1541, Wyanga 1555, Tomingley West 1606, Peak Hill 1620, Mickibri 1634, Alectown West 1643, Goonumbla
1649, Goobang Jct 1707, Parkes Jct 1708.
Page NW258
Insert 1QM5 for Sunday Length 605 mtrs, Schedule C1, Status M, Operator El Zorro, Commodity Grain
will arrive Werris Creek 1316, depart 1346, pass Gap Junction 1352, arrive Springridge 1423, depart 1428, pass
Tamarang 1443, arrive Premer 1502, depart 1507, pass Weetaliba 1551, arrive Binnaway 1616, depart 1621, pass
Neilrex 1644, arrive Merrygoen 1702, depart 1707, arrive Elong Elong 1817, depart 1822, pass Troy Jct 1917,
arrive Dubbo 1922, depart 1927, arrive Minore 1951, depart 1956, arrive Narromine 2016, depart 2021, pass
Narromine Agrigrain 2025, Narwonah 2032, Wyanga 2046, Tomingley West 2057, arrive Peak Hill 2112, depart
2240, pass Mickibri 2255, Alectown West 2304, Goonumbla 2310, arrive Goobang Jct 2329, depart 2334, arrive
Parkes 2340, depart 0420.
Page NW260
Insert 1MQ5 for Monday Length 605 mtrs, Schedule C1, Status M, Operator El Zorro, Commodity Grain
will pass Parkes Jct 1633, Goobang Jct 1634, Goonumbla 1653, Alectown West 1700, Mickibri 1709, arrive Peak
Hill 1725, depart 1730, pass Tomingley West 1746, Wyanga 1757, Narwonah 1812, Narromine Agrigrain 1818,
arrive Narromine 1823, depart 1828, arrive Minore 1844, depart 1849, arrive Dubbo 1900, depart 1942, pass Troy
Jct 1948, arrive Elong Elong 2057, depart 2102, arrive Merrygoen 2212, depart 2217, pass Neilrex 2243, arrive
Binnaway 2317, depart 2322, pass Weetaliba 2358, arrive Premer 0102, depart 0107, pass Tamarang 0141, arrive
Springridge 0207, depart 0212, pass Gap Junction 0257, arrive Werris Creek 0312, depart 0354.
TAA 0295-2008 Page 3 21/04/2008
Page NW260
Insert 3MQ5 for Wednesday Length 605 mtrs, Schedule C1, Status M, Operator El Zorro, Commodity
Grain will pass Parkes Jct 1527, Goobang Jct 1528, Goonumbla 1547, Alectown West 1554, Mickibri 1603,
arrive Peak Hill 1619, depart 1649, pass Tomingley West 1705, Wyanga 1716, Narwonah 1731, Narromine
Agrigrain 1737, arrive Narromine 1742, depart 1747, arrive Minore 1803, depart 1808, arrive Dubbo 1819, depart
1824, pass Troy Jct 1830, arrive Elong Elong 1939, depart 1944, arrive Merrygoen 2054, depart 2059, pass
Neilrex 2125, arrive Binnaway 2159, depart 2204, pass Weetaliba 2240, arrive Premer 2344, depart 2349, pass
Tamarang 0023, arrive Springridge 0049, depart 0114, pass Gap Junction 0159, arrive Werris Creek 0214, depart
0354.
Page NW261
Insert 6MQ5 for Friday Length 605 mtrs, Schedule C1, Status M, Operator El Zorro, Commodity Grain
will pass Parkes Jct 2055, arrive Goobang Jct 2057, depart 2240, pass Goonumbla 2301, Alectown West 2308,
Mickibri 2317, arrive Peak Hill 2333, depart 2338, pass Tomingley West 2354, Wyanga 0005, Narwonah 0020,
Narromine Agrigrain 0026, arrive Narromine 0031, depart 0036, arrive Minore 0052, depart 0057, arrive Dubbo
0108, depart 0113, pass Troy Jct 0119, arrive Elong Elong 0228, depart 0233, arrive Merrygoen 0343, depart
0348, pass Neilrex 0414, arrive Binnaway 0448, depart 0453, pass Weetaliba 0529, arrive Premer 0633, depart
0638, pass Tamarang 0712, arrive Springridge 0738, depart 0808, arrive Gap Junction 0855, depart 0900, arrive
Werris Creek 0915, depart 0945.
SOUTH BOOK 4
Page S59
Insert 3QM5 for Wednesday Length 605 mtrs, Schedule C1, Status M, Operator El Zorro, Commodity
Grain will pass Parkes Jct 1737, Forbes Mountain Industry Siding 1810, arrive Forbes 1815, depart 1820, pass
Red Bend 1830, Grawlin Plains 1840, Garema 1850, Back Creek 1856, arrive Wirrinya 1907, depart 1912, arrive
Caragabal 1933, depart 1938, pass Quandialla 1957, arrive Bribbaree 2009, depart 2050, pass Weedallion 2102,
Milvale 2114, arrive Stockinbingal 2133, depart 2200, arrive Cootamundra West 2234, depart 2244, pass
Cootamundra North Jct 2244, Cootamundra 2248, Strattons Mill 2250, Frampton 2300, Bethungra 2310, Illabo
2320, Marinna 2327, Junee West Jct 2333, arrive Junee 2334, depart 2338, pass Harefield 2349, Shepherds Sdg
2356, Bomen 0002, arrive Wagga Wagga 0010, depart 0040, arrive Uranquinty 0055, depart 0110, pass The Rock
0123, Yerong Creek 0135, Henty 0147, arrive Culcairn 0201, depart 0306, pass Gerogery 0323, Table Top 0335,
arrive Albury 0350, destination Melbourne.
Page S65
Insert 5QM5 for Friday Length 605 mtrs, Schedule C1, Status M, Operator El Zorro, Commodity Grain
will pass Parkes Jct 1708, Forbes Mountain Industry Siding 1741, arrive Forbes 1747, depart 1752, pass Red Bend
1802, Grawlin Plains 1812, Garema 1822, Back Creek 1828, arrive Wirrinya 1839, depart 2120, arrive Caragabal
2141, depart 2146, pass Quandialla 2205, arrive Bribbaree 2217, depart 2222, pass Weedallion 2234, Milvale
2246, arrive Stockinbingal 2305, depart 2310, arrive Cootamundra West 2344, depart 2354, pass Cootamundra
North Jct 2354, Cootamundra 2358, Strattons Mill 0000, Frampton 0010, Bethungra 0020, Illabo 0030, Marinna
0037, Junee West Jct 0043, arrive Junee 0046, depart 0200, pass Harefield 0211, Shepherds Sdg 0218, Bomen
0224, Wagga Wagga 0231, Uranquinty 0244, arrive The Rock 0257, depart 0445, pass Yerong Creek 0458, Henty
0510, Culcairn 0523, Gerogery 0539, Table Top 0551, arrive Albury 0606, destination Melbourne.
Page S72
Insert 1MQ5 for Monday Length 605 mtrs, Schedule C1, Status M, Operator El Zorro, Commodity Grain
will depart Albury 0600, pass Table Top 0614, Gerogery 0627, Culcairn 0642, Henty 0655, arrive Yerong Creek
0708, depart 0730, pass The Rock 0743, Uranquinty 0755, Wagga Wagga 0808, Bomen 0816, Shepherds Sdg
0824, Harefield 0830, arrive Junee 0846, depart 0850, pass Junee West Jct 0853, Illabo 0906, Bethungra 0916,
Frampton 0931, Strattons Mill 0945, Cootamundra 0946, Cootamundra North Jct 0947, arrive Cootamundra West
0947, depart 0957, arrive Stockinbingal 1027, depart 1032, pass Milvale 1052, Weedallion 1112, arrive Bribbaree
1127, depart 1400, pass Quandialla 1420, arrive Caragabal 1440, depart 1445, arrive Wirrinya 1505, depart 1510,
pass Back Creek 1525, Garema 1535, Grawlin Plains 1540, Red Bend 1550, arrive Forbes 1555, depart 1600, pass
Forbes Mountain Industry Siding 1605, Parkes Jct 1633.
TAA 0295-2008 Page 4 21/04/2008
Page S76
Insert 3MQ5 for Wednesday Length 605 mtrs, Schedule C1, Status M, Operator El Zorro, Commodity
Grain will depart Albury 0600, pass Table Top 0614, Gerogery 0627, arrive Culcairn 0643, depart 0720, pass
Henty 0734, Yerong Creek 0746, arrive The Rock 0759, depart 0830, pass Uranquinty 0843, Wagga Wagga 0856,
arrive Bomen 0905, depart 0920, pass Shepherds Sdg 0929, Harefield 0935, arrive Junee 0951, depart 0955, pass
Junee West Jct 0958, Illabo 1011, Bethungra 1021, Frampton 1036, Strattons Mill 1050, Cootamundra 1051,
Cootamundra North Jct 1052, arrive Cootamundra West 1052, depart 1102, arrive Stockinbingal 1132, depart
1137, pass Milvale 1157, Weedallion 1217, arrive Bribbaree 1232, depart 1259, pass Quandialla 1319, arrive
Caragabal 1339, depart 1344, arrive Wirrinya 1404, depart 1409, pass Back Creek 1424, Garema 1434, Grawlin
Plains 1439, Red Bend 1449, Forbes 1454, Forbes Mountain Industry Siding 1459, Parkes Jct 1527.
Page S81
Insert 6MQ5 for Friday Length 605 mtrs, Schedule C1, Status M, Operator El Zorro, Commodity Grain
will depart Albury 1240, pass Table Top 1254, Gerogery 1307, arrive Culcairn 1323, depart 1345, pass Henty
1359, arrive Yerong Creek 1412, depart 1435, pass The Rock 1448, Uranquinty 1500, Wagga Wagga 1513,
Bomen 1521, Shepherds Sdg 1529, Harefield 1535, arrive Junee 1551, depart 1555, pass Junee West Jct 1558,
Illabo 1611, Bethungra 1621, Frampton 1636, Strattons Mill 1650, Cootamundra 1651, Cootamundra North Jct
1652, Cootamundra West 1652, arrive Stockinbingal 1722, depart 1727, pass Milvale 1747, Weedallion 1807,
arrive Bribbaree 1822, depart 1827, pass Quandialla 1847, arrive Caragabal 1907, depart 1912, arrive Wirrinya
1932, depart 1937, pass Back Creek 1952, Garema 2002, Grawlin Plains 2007, Red Bend 2017, Forbes 2022,
Forbes Mountain Industry Siding 2027, Parkes Jct 2055.
Page S85
Insert 1QM5 for Sunday Length 605 mtrs, Schedule C1, Status M, Operator El Zorro, Commodity Grain
will arrive Parkes 2340, depart 0420, pass Parkes Jct 0422, Forbes Mountain Industry Siding 0455, arrive Forbes
0457, depart 0502, pass Red Bend 0512, Grawlin Plains 0522, Garema 0532, Back Creek 0538, arrive Wirrinya
0549, depart 0554, arrive Caragabal 0615, depart 0620, pass Quandialla 0639, arrive Bribbaree 0651, depart 0656,
pass Weedallion 0708, Milvale 0720, arrive Stockinbingal 0739, depart 0744, arrive Cootamundra West 0818,
depart 0829, pass Cootamundra North Jct 0829, Cootamundra 0833, Strattons Mill 0835, Frampton 0845,
Bethungra 0855, Illabo 0905, Marinna 0912, Junee West Jct 0918, arrive Junee 0919, depart 0924, pass Harefield
0935, Shepherds Sdg 0942, Bomen 0948, Wagga Wagga 0955, Uranquinty 1008, The Rock 1020, Yerong Creek
1032, arrive Henty 1045, depart 1110, pass Culcairn 1124, Gerogery 1140, arrive Table Top 1153, depart 1234,
arrive Albury 1250, destination Melbourne.
This TAA has been entered into TRIMS.

LowndesJ515 · Posted: Wed May 14, 2008 6:28 pm

For all those who get past the previous post...

El Zorro is running a grain train this friday to Dimboola from McIntyre Loop. 20 Wagons using an SCT G Class loco. El Zorro have hired this loco from SCT for the job. Not sure which SCT G at this stage. Due out of SCT Laverton depot at 2100 for a light engine run to McIntyre loop to pick up the train.

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PhilA71 · Posted: Fri May 16, 2008 12:26 am