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VRfan
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Posted: Fri Jun 13, 2008 10:53 pm
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Thanks for posting those. Certainly an interesting collection of wagons.
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42101
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Posted: Fri Jun 13, 2008 11:00 pm
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VZWA15Q is that a spoked Gibson ring wheelset????? if its a Gibson ring wheelset it should be stopped from running as those are banned Aus wide due to their being unsafe due to the securing rings tendency to move causing the tires to come off the wheel.
GM Diesels Rule. 3801ltd Quality right to the end. Hands off the large sartor. DFTT.
All spelling errrors blame my tom cat meggs.
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Fireman Dave
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Posted: Sat Jun 14, 2008 9:05 am
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| 42101 wrote: | | VZWA15Q is that a spoked Gibson ring wheelset????? if its a Gibson ring wheelset it should be stopped from running as those are banned Aus wide due to their being unsafe due to the securing rings tendency to move causing the tires to come off the wheel. |
I'm fairly sure there is no BAN as such, but you do have to have procedures in place for monitoring the security of the gibson ring. Having said that though, I don't think I'd be using them in freight service.
Dave Malcolm
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42101
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Posted: Sat Jun 14, 2008 9:24 am
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Dave they were banned outright as they are an unsafe wheel type i will try to dig out if i can find them the papers stating so.
GM Diesels Rule. 3801ltd Quality right to the end. Hands off the large sartor. DFTT.
All spelling errrors blame my tom cat meggs.
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903
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Posted: Sat Jun 14, 2008 8:07 pm
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| Fireman Dave wrote: | | 42101 wrote: | | VZWA15Q is that a spoked Gibson ring wheelset????? if its a Gibson ring wheelset it should be stopped from running as those are banned Aus wide due to their being unsafe due to the securing rings tendency to move causing the tires to come off the wheel. |
I'm fairly sure there is no BAN as such, but you do have to have procedures in place for monitoring the security of the gibson ring. Having said that though, I don't think I'd be using them in freight service. |
Some track owners may have banned them but they are still being used in tourist railways and some freight services around Australia.
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42101
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Posted: Sat Jun 14, 2008 8:11 pm
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903 thanks mate i thought it was a blanket ban (it should be) it must be just in NSW then.
GM Diesels Rule. 3801ltd Quality right to the end. Hands off the large sartor. DFTT.
All spelling errrors blame my tom cat meggs.
Optus suck
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YM-Mundrabilla
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Posted: Sat Jun 14, 2008 9:17 pm
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| 42101 wrote: | | 903 thanks mate i thought it was a blanket ban (it should be) it must be just in NSW then. |
Don't look too hard - the V/Line Addenda referred to a couple of posts ago lists ###A vehicles as OK for 80km/h..... 
It is sad that go ahead positive thinking operators are forced to use some of the junk that they do while PN cuts up perfectly good rolling stock simply to stop competition on routes PN does not want anyway. I suppose it is to do with their road operations.
YM Mundrabilla
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Reality has been omitted for clarity.
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YM-Mundrabilla
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Posted: Sat Jun 14, 2008 9:26 pm
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| 42101 wrote: | | VZWA15Q is that a spoked Gibson ring wheelset????? if its a Gibson ring wheelset it should be stopped from running as those are banned Aus wide due to their being unsafe due to the securing rings tendency to move causing the tires to come off the wheel. |
Just waiting to see how long before a Train Examiner emerged. I don't think any major operators use these any more.
YM Mundrabilla
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Reality has been omitted for clarity.
Why is it that there are so many in high places who prefer activity to achievement?
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42101
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Posted: Sat Jun 14, 2008 9:44 pm
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YM looks like at least one mob do with one wheelset, they should change it out as it would not be very hard to source one wheelset.
GM Diesels Rule. 3801ltd Quality right to the end. Hands off the large sartor. DFTT.
All spelling errrors blame my tom cat meggs.
Optus suck
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Fireman Dave
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Posted: Sun Jun 15, 2008 7:49 pm
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| 42101 wrote: | | Dave they were banned outright as they are an unsafe wheel type i will try to dig out if i can find them the papers stating so. |
Better tell the regulator then, there's a few running around. Most steam locos at least.
Dave Malcolm
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42101
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Posted: Sun Jun 15, 2008 8:08 pm
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Well arnt you just so clever dave here i am talking wagons and you bring up steam loco's  well der they have always had Tyres and Wheels and they are not Gibson rings now are they.
Go hassel someone else dave or i will start following you around the board like you do to me sport..hey hows that 73 going.
GM Diesels Rule. 3801ltd Quality right to the end. Hands off the large sartor. DFTT.
All spelling errrors blame my tom cat meggs.
Optus suck
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barny
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Posted: Mon Jun 16, 2008 5:24 pm
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| 42101 wrote: | Well arnt you just so clever dave here i am talking wagons and you bring up steam loco's well der they have always had Tyres and Wheels and they are not Gibson rings now are they.
Go hassel someone else dave or i will start following you around the board like you do to me sport..hey hows that 73 going. |
"tyres and wheels".If a gibson ring isnt used then may i ask how the tyre is attached to the wheel? C,mon 42101 enlighten us with your wealth of knoweledge
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42101
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Posted: Mon Jun 16, 2008 5:43 pm
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Work it out yourself troll.
GM Diesels Rule. 3801ltd Quality right to the end. Hands off the large sartor. DFTT.
All spelling errrors blame my tom cat meggs.
Optus suck
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barny
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Posted: Mon Jun 16, 2008 9:10 pm
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| 42101 wrote: | | Work it out yourself troll. |
Just asking a question of which you obviously know the answer judging by your previous posts
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tjrailway
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Posted: Tue Jun 17, 2008 12:28 pm
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Lets get back to the subject shall we!
ELZ are running into Mallala again this week from northern NSW via Melbourne. They have truly joined the ranks of long hall operators covering a round trip of almost 5000 kilometers with these services.
Given that these trains are likely to run weekly for the next few months they must know want they doing. How about some credit where its due.
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