Proposed Melbourne lines from 1950's

 
  locopage Station Master

Location: Mornington Peninsula, Victoria
Hello all,
While at work this week, I came across a 1954 MMBW report, with planning maps. Looking at the maps, I came across 5 proposed-but-never-built rail lines. Details are as follows (references are from Melways):

* Mornington direct.
This line branched off around 102 D3, and then headed south to Sweetwater Creek, west to Humphries Road, and then south again parallel to the Nepean Hwy (map coverage ended around 101 H11).
Stations were to be around 102 D6 and 101 J8.
I exepct a bit of tunnelling would have been required.

* Beaumaris.
This line branched off around 77 D7, and then curved across to Spring Street, headed south parallel to this street, and George Street; then curving across to run alongside where Balcombe Park Lane and Gareth Avenue now are.
Stations were to be around 77 C11, 86 B2, 86 C4, and the terminus at 86 C7.

* Darebin Creek (I have already seen this somewhere else previously).
This line branched off near Alphington, around 31 C10. It then headed north not far west of Darebin Creek, before finishing at East Reservoir.
Stations were to be at 31 B7, 31 A4, 31 B2, 19 B11 (close to Northland), 19 B8, and the terminus at 19 A6.

* Laverton North (I've also seen this line on 1977 MMBW maps a few years back).
This line branched off at Braybrook where the current bridge over Sunshine Road is. It headed west, with another line leading in from the Sunshine-Newport line. Next, it crossed Kororoit Creek and headed almost due-southwest, crossed Fitzgerlad Road, and ran down the west side of that and where Princes Freeway now is, to meet the main line just on the up side of Laverton.
A branch came off just after Kororoit creek, to run west alongside where Learmonth Cresecent, Felstead Avenue, etc, now are, before terminating where the Western Ring Road now is.
No stations.
Had this line been built, the operators could no doubt have been able to get a lot of traffic from this now rapidly-growing industrial area.

* Fishermans Bend
This line was a 'double balloon loop' setup. It branched off around where Graham station was, and headed northwest to split with lines on either side of the current West Gate Freeway, coming to a balloon loop with its western end at the western end of the current West Gate Park.

Regards,
John

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  wongm GEEWONG

Location: Geelong, Victoria
Hello all,
While at work this week, I came across a 1954 MMBW report, with planning maps.
"locopage"

Any chance of a scan of it? (or maybe a photo the maps?)


* Laverton North (I've also seen this line on 1977 MMBW maps a few years back).
This line branched off at Braybrook where the current bridge over Sunshine Road is. It headed west, with another line leading in from the Sunshine-Newport line. Next, it crossed Kororoit Creek and headed almost due-southwest, crossed Fitzgerlad Road, and ran down the west side of that and where Princes Freeway now is, to meet the main line just on the up side of Laverton.
A branch came off just after Kororoit creek, to run west alongside where Learmonth Cresecent, Felstead Avenue, etc, now are, before terminating where the Western Ring Road now is.
No stations.
Had this line been built, the operators could no doubt have been able to get a lot of traffic from this now rapidly-growing industrial area.
"locopage"

This was probably the "direct line" to Geelong that I have heard about elsewhere. Would be great to have it now. Razz
  Rodo Chief Commissioner

Location: Southern Riverina
Thanks for that, locopage.

I previously had the idea that the Beaumaris branch junction was near Cheltenham but you have set me straight. I believe that the reserve in the middle of the Beaumaris shopping centre is the space for the terminus of this branch. The Beaumaris branch would have been a useful terminus for all stations to Moorabin trains and suburban capacity problems would not exist on the Geelong line and SG access would be good as well.
  standard_gauge Dr Beeching

Location: Outside the toilet, waiting for Della Bosca to come out !!
Fisherman Bend? does that have anything to do with Webb Dock line?
  RM62 Deputy Commissioner

I think so
I heard in the late 80s they had revisited the idea
  PalmerEldritch Say goodnight to the bad guy

Location: Princes Park, Carlton
* Mornington direct.
This line branched off around 102 D3, and then headed south to Sweetwater Creek, west to Humphries Road, and then south again parallel to the Nepean Hwy (map coverage ended around 101 H11).
Stations were to be around 102 D6 and 101 J8.
I exepct a bit of tunnelling would have been required.
"locopage"

Frankston South - The first station would have been close to Frankston High School as well as servicing the Frankston South area.

Mount Eliza - The second station appears to be in a rather useless area in terms of patronage generation.

* Beaumaris.
This line branched off around 77 D7, and then curved across to Spring Street, headed south parallel to this street, and George Street; then curving across to run alongside where Balcombe Park Lane and Gareth Avenue now are.
Stations were to be around 77 C11, 86 B2, 86 C4, and the terminus at 86 C7.
"locopage"

Brixton - the first station, close to Sandringham College (Sandringham campus) and the Cheltenham Memorial Park and Cemetary.

Black Rock - second station in the midst of several golf courses. Not a particularly useful place for a railway station, so the MMBW must have had a different vision for the area in the 1950's.

Balcombe Park - third station rather close to second station, but also close to present Sandringham College (Beaumaris campus).

Beaumaris - fourth station and terminus, ideal location right next to Beaumaris strip shopping precinct.

Interesting that the MMBW proposed the line to be a branch from Moorabbin, rather than an extension of the Sandringham line.

* Darebin Creek (I have already seen this somewhere else previously).
This line branched off near Alphington, around 31 C10. It then headed north not far west of Darebin Creek, before finishing at East Reservoir.
Stations were to be at 31 B7, 31 A4, 31 B2, 19 B11 (close to Northland), 19 B8, and the terminus at 19 A6.
"locopage"


Fairfield Grange - first station, low catchment residential patronage potential.

Thornbury East - second station, servicing Thornbury Darebin College.

Preston Bell - third station, seems to be in a rather useless location.

Northland - fourth station, the big patronage generator with the Shopping Centre and Home Centre, Northland Secondary College, and several smaller educational and medical establishments within walking distance.

Reservoir East - fifth station and terminus, little of note other than Reservoir East primary school. More useful termini could have been located at Summerhill Village (shops, retrirement village and secondary college all nearby), or at Latrobe Univeristy Bundoora.

*All bolded station names derive from the imaginings of myself and are not names taken from any MMBW plan.
  Rossco T Train Controller

Location: Camberwell, Victoria
Very interesting John.

Do you know if there was any protection under Planning Schemes or what ever instruments were used back then to prevent development from occurring in the path of the proposed right of ways?

For instance I know that today the proposed route of the Airport Rail Link via the Albion-Jacana freight line has been protected to stop any buildings being constructed in the path of where the railway is proposed even though the government is not actively purchasing the land.

There doesn't seem to be much evidence left looking at the Melways of where the proposed rail corridors were, although the angle at which some of the streets run in the vicinity of the proposed lines would suggest that there may have been some planning protection in place (assuming that the rail lines were proposed before the streets were constructed).

For the Beaumaris Line possible examples include Balcombe Park Lane and Gareth Avenue at 86 C5.

For the Darebin Creek Line possible examples include Laurel Street and Eisenhower Street at 19 B10.

Meanwhile the proposed reservation for the Sunshine West spur line to the Western Ring Road appears to be relatively intact.

I wonder how long these proposals remained until they were abandoned.

One proposed rail line I had heard of from way back was a line proposed to run to the Oakleigh South/Moorabbin East area. This explains the presence of the mysterious "Railway Place" which is shown at Melway 78 D6.  If I recall correctly this line was meant to run along the median strip of South Road (similar to that other proposed line along North Road/Wellington Road median) to Rowville.

The only other proposed Melbourne metropolitan rail line I can think of that was never built was the Doncaster East line which was shown in some Melway editions in the 1980s and even made it onto the Destination scrolls of some Comeng? trains.

There is one current proposed line (that is not a former line) that is occasionally mentioned in the media. This is a the spur line to Epping North from Lalor. If you look at the new housing estate at Melway 182 A7 you can see where this line is meant to go. (You need a new Melway for this!)

One other currently proposed line which I haven't heard mentioned for some time uses part of the former Ravenhall explosives siding at Melway 25 B10.  You can see by the planning of the new subdivision in that area that it allows for the future reinstatement of this track.  I had heard that this line was proposed to head south and link back into the Werribee Line at some point. However, I haven't heard anything on this proposed line for awhile.

Ross
  standard_gauge Dr Beeching

Location: Outside the toilet, waiting for Della Bosca to come out !!
Any unfinish line or unfinish railway station?  Shocked
  John of Melbourne The Ghost of George Stephenson

Location: Melbourne suburbs
I had heard of the direct line to Mornington, including the need for a tunnel.  I believe that land was reserved for that line.  The others are all news to me.

Other proposed lines that made it to planning schemes and in some cases at least had land reserved include and extension of the Glen Waverley line and the well-known Huntingdale—Fern Tree Gully line.  And there were the plans for a line from Lyndhurst to Langwarrin, and probably others I can't recall just now.

There is one current proposed line (that is not a former line) that is occasionally mentioned in the media. This is a the spur line to Epping North from Lalor. If you look at the new housing estate at Melway 182 A7 you can see where this line is meant to go. (You need a new Melway for this!)
"Rossco T"
I don't have the latest Melway, but the best place to check for existing easements is the Land Department's interactive map, which shows property boundaries.  But it doesn't show anything looking like a rail easement around there.
  Via City Loop Chief Commissioner



One proposed rail line I had heard of from way back was a line proposed to run to the Oakleigh South/Moorabbin East area. This explains the presence of the mysterious "Railway Place" which is shown at Melway 78 D6.  If I recall correctly this line was meant to run along the median strip of South Road (similar to that other proposed line along North Road/Wellington Road median) to Rowville.
"Rossco T"


I'm not doubting that idea for a second, but another possibility for there being a Railway Place in that are could be some sort of railway connected to the sand mines, though I've never heard of any such thing.

Another one, and the one I'm thinking may be most likely is that there were once a number of tramways in the area to service the market gardens. From memory they were horse drawn or hand pushed along wide rails. Possibly a single rail. There was a section remaining along Centre Dandenong Rd near the airport until recently, infact it may still be there.

Also I've mentioned this before but I remember seeing a map in the late 1980s of the Met system which also had proposed lines on it. Two which stuck out were the Doncaster line and a line which IIRC ran from around Dandenong to Frankston. It was the sort of map which appeard in the Melway at the time, but I saw it in a graphics text book.
  railnut Station Master

Location: Ferntree Gully
There was a railway line alogn Centre Dandenong road, and yes, it did service the market gardeners. It was actually a predecessor to the tramway, known as a plateway. It was horse drawn and a miserable failure.
  locopage Station Master

Location: Mornington Peninsula, Victoria
I've finally got around to scanning in and uploading the plans. They are at:

http://www.geocities.com/john_cleverdon/1950s_Rail_Plan1.jpg (Mornington 'direct' line)
http://www.geocities.com/john_cleverdon/1950s_Rail_Plan2.jpg (Darebin Creek line)
http://www.geocities.com/john_cleverdon/1950s_Rail_Plan3.jpg (Beaumaris line)
http://www.geocities.com/john_cleverdon/1950s_Rail_Plan4.jpg (Fishermens Bend and Laverton North lines)


Another map I have is a copy of a 1915 Melbourne Harbour Trust Commissioners plan showing 'Proposed Harbour Improvements',

This involved creating 5 large docks in the Fishmermens Bend area (west of the Port Melbourne line); as well as another 4 docks north of the Yarra (which were modified to become Appleton and Swanson Docks); and finally, a couple of smaller berths at Newport.
As well, there were to be many berths along the Yarra itself , from roughly Salmon Street to Newport.

There was also a proposal for a bridge or tunnel across the Yarra between whats now the current Cooling Water outlet at Newport and the southern end of Webb Dock.

It would have been a massive project in all.

The railway side of things involved a considerable network of rail lines and yards running to serve the many sheds which were to be built alongside the docks and berths. Of course, this would have been many kilometres in length.

I have taken a photo of this 1915 plan with my digital camera and uploaded it, and the file is at:
http://www.geocities.com/john_cleverdon/1915PortOfMelb_Plan.JPG (note it is around 1.1MB in size)


I'm not familair with planning scheme details for preserving reservations.
However, another railfan mentioned to me some months back that some past rail lines still appear on the planning scheme maps - the former Lancefield to Kilmore line (in parts) given as an example. See http://www.dse.vic.gov.au/planningschemes for the maps (or the LandChannel map as mentioned above)..


Finally, for the Doncaster line, not only did it appear in the Melway, but I've seen a Certificate of title for land at Doncaster showing VR as owner for around 1976-1984.

Regards,
John
  chairman Assistant Commissioner

Location: Belgrave

It was... a miserable failure.

Why do you say that? Most of the local histories published (Moorabbin, Caulfield, StKilda, etc) don't suggest that at all.
  PalmerEldritch Say goodnight to the bad guy

Location: Princes Park, Carlton
I've finally got around to scanning in and uploading the plans. They are at:

http://www.geocities.com/john_cleverdon/1950s_Rail_Plan1.jpg (Mornington 'direct' line)
http://www.geocities.com/john_cleverdon/1950s_Rail_Plan2.jpg (Darebin Creek line)
http://www.geocities.com/john_cleverdon/1950s_Rail_Plan3.jpg (Beaumaris line)
http://www.geocities.com/john_cleverdon/1950s_Rail_Plan4.jpg (Fishermens Bend and Laverton North lines)
"locopage"

I keep on getting the following error message from Yahoo Geocities when I click on each link:

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  wongm GEEWONG

Location: Geelong, Victoria
I've finally got around to scanning in and uploading the plans. They are at:

http://www.geocities.com/john_cleverdon/1950s_Rail_Plan1.jpg (Mornington 'direct' line)
http://www.geocities.com/john_cleverdon/1950s_Rail_Plan2.jpg (Darebin Creek line)
http://www.geocities.com/john_cleverdon/1950s_Rail_Plan3.jpg (Beaumaris line)
http://www.geocities.com/john_cleverdon/1950s_Rail_Plan4.jpg (Fishermens Bend and Laverton North lines)
"locopage"

I keep on getting the following error message from Yahoo Geocities when I click on each link:

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"PalmerEldritch"
You need to try again later - they only let so much traffic through every hour. I came up against that problem earlier today, and just finished downloading them... Twisted Evil

EDIT

With Geocities dead, I have reuploaded the maps to Imageshack:

http://img607.imageshack.us/img607/736/1950srailplan1morningto.jpg
http://img215.imageshack.us/img215/8009/1950srailplan2darebincr.jpg
http://img638.imageshack.us/img638/3418/1950srailplan3beaumaris.jpg
http://img802.imageshack.us/img802/7374/1950srailplan4fisherman.jpg
  PalmerEldritch Say goodnight to the bad guy

Location: Princes Park, Carlton
I've finally got around to scanning in and uploading the plans. They are at:

http://www.geocities.com/john_cleverdon/1950s_Rail_Plan1.jpg (Mornington 'direct' line)
http://www.geocities.com/john_cleverdon/1950s_Rail_Plan2.jpg (Darebin Creek line)
http://www.geocities.com/john_cleverdon/1950s_Rail_Plan3.jpg (Beaumaris line)
http://www.geocities.com/john_cleverdon/1950s_Rail_Plan4.jpg (Fishermens Bend and Laverton North lines)
"locopage"

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"PalmerEldritch"
You need to try again later - they only let so much traffic through every hour. I came up against that problem earlier today, and just finished downloading them... Twisted Evil
"wongm"

Thanks wongm, shall leave it for later  Smile
  railnut Station Master

Location: Ferntree Gully
I say that it was a miserable failure because it only lasted a few years.
  Dreadnought Assistant Commissioner

Location: Oooh, look! [Pointing upwards] An eagle!!
I'm not familair with planning scheme details for preserving reservations.
However, another railfan mentioned to me some months back that some past rail lines still appear on the planning scheme maps - the former Lancefield to Kilmore line (in parts) given as an example. See http://www.dse.vic.gov.au/planningschemes for the maps (or the LandChannel map as mentioned above)..

Regards,
John
"locopage"


That might have been me.  I've noticed some anomolies on a few VicMaps.  For example, if you have Vicmap30K_T7621-3-1-4, you'll find the Beaac line is still intact almost to Ondit....   IIRC, there were similar errors for some maps covering the Waubra and Shelbourne lines too.
Cheers,
Dreadnought
  duttonbay Minister for Railways

I say that it was a miserable failure because it only lasted a few years.
"railnut"

It depends on why it closed.  It could have been a roaring success for a few years until roads were improved, when it no longer had a purpose and was closed.  (Not saying that's the case, mind you, but just because something only lasted a few years doesn't necessarily make a miserable failure)

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