Spoil Wagons

 
  4464 Chief Commissioner

Location: Gone, like a fart in a fan factory!
Can somebody please tell me the Wagon Codes for the Blue and Brown Spoil Wagons pictured below and any road numbers,Ive established NDCH (from a pic taken when Clyde Eng. had there display down Central of 8160 and the first wagon behind it NDCH 2520 L) but im quite sure there is a NS*F? code also .
I am modelling 6 of the wagons (2 Blue,4 Brown) so any help would be appreciated.
Thanks in Advance!

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  Clyde-GM Chief Commissioner

Location: Remote controlled from Junee.
LOL
I saw that train earlier that day!


Didn't think to look at wagon numbers, but it sounded brilliant slowly climbing up Spaniards. Wink
  M636C Minister for Railways

It is very difficult to judge from that photograph, but the leading vehicle is a former BD (NOAF) converted to a shunter's vehicle with railed platforms on each end. The blue wagons with white ends aren't really clear but might be former NOEF Cobar/Broken Hill ore wagons as rebuilt with raised sides. I haven't seen these with white ends. The next two brown wagons look like cut down G (NOHF) wagons and the third brown wagon is a converted BDX (NOBX). I think the two brown types carry the NDCH code but the number is usually just a sequential number in the departmental series, usually in the 2xxx series.

Some NDCH wagons were sold to CFCLA who had them converted to container wagons at Braemar.

Goulburn Workshops have built some new spoil containers for use on NOBX underframes, former NQIX wagons in the 10101 series, but these are painted orange and are easy to identify.

M636C

I'll check some photos and get back on this.

M636C
  crypticone Chief Train Controller

Location: Blue Mtns
Four types, Ex NOBX,Ex G (Old ore wagons,Bottom Dump built by waggonfabrick after WW 2) ex NOAF. NDMX blue ones ex NHLF/NLGX.
NOBX just changed numbers to NDCH, ex NHLF/NLGX to NDMX, heavier drawgear and 80 Tonne capacity,done by Goulburn or Bathurst w/shops.
Old G Wagons with the rivetted frame and bottom dump, just changed the code to NDCH but i think a letter has changed on them to differentiate the actual type.
NOAF or BD wagon has a propelling platform for compliance with the safe place rule, now I think NDNF.
Also some wagons of the NOBX welded frame type were converted to take Spoil bins , don't know the wagon code though, and some also converted to carry sleeper or spoil frames to allow for peaks and troughs in wagon requirements.

Cheers
  M636C Minister for Railways

The former NOBX spoil bin wagons are coded NDQF, the first one I've seen being NDQF 2636W, which was carrying containers SB-003 and SB-004 (SB for spoil bin (?)).

M636C
  4464 Chief Commissioner

Location: Gone, like a fart in a fan factory!
ex NHLF/NLGX to NDMX, heavier drawgear and 80 Tonne capacity,done by Goulburn or Bathurst w/shops.
Old G Wagons with the rivetted frame and bottom dump, just changed the code to NDCH but i think a letter has changed on them to differentiate the actual type.
"crypticone"

I Think these two would do.
NDMX (please clarify numbers)
NDCH 2501,2506,2513,2520
(Is this OK?)
  M636C Minister for Railways

I've found a photo of a newly converted NDMX (in fact two of them) at Chullora, I'd guess in about 1996. The NDMX is clearly the same as the three leading blue wagons on the train in the photo above, although the end wasn't painted white.

This car NDMX 1809 B is a former NOBX/BDX but with an entirely new body - even the vertical posts are square and not tapered towards the top as in a normal NOBX (seventh and eighth cars on the train photo above). The sides are lower than a normal NOBX (as also they are on NDCHs to reduce the risk of overloading with spoil) and they are completely flat. Most NDCH (ex NOBX) wagons retain the corrugated sides, but have flat panels replacing the doors.

When I find a magnifier, I'll post the number of the second one, but there is a good chance that it is 1808 or 1810.

If this was rebuilt from a louvre van, it would be shorter than 45 feet, unless the frame had been lengthened, and the photo shows that the frame hasn't been cleaned, let alone worked on!

M636C
  CaseyJones Chief Commissioner

Location: A little south of sanity

wagons with white ends
"M636C"

From memory (it's been a while since I've crewed a spoil train) the whole end of the wagon isn't painted white, only the corners in a strip about 3" either side.

I'm fairly sure some of the NDCH conversions took place at Metrofab, Braemar (where Bradken is now). They had some of the walls and end walls replaced with plain flat sheets (as opposed to the original corrugated panelling).

I'll see what else I can find out.

Cheers
  M636C Minister for Railways

Back again, and my guess was wrong - the second car in the photo was 1820 F, and I can't be sure that it was coded NDMX, but it looked very similar, blue with flat panels.

As to white ends, I thought I saw some yellow former G wagons at Goulburn outside the workshops with entirely white ends, but I haven't any photos.

M636C
  M636C Minister for Railways

At Goulburn today there is a brown painted NDCH cut down from an NOBX (2921 C) with the not entirely reassuring note painted on it "do not scrap this truck".

There are a number of the modified NOBX frames converted (apparently) from NDXF concrete sleeper wagons retaining the 26xx series numbers they had in that form.

They are now class NDYF, fitted with container locks for two 20 feet containers in the centre of the wagon. These are currently equipped with two 22'6" concrete sleeper racks that project outward beyond the container locks at each end.

In this form the wagons are equivalent to the NDXH, but could also carry the SB spoil bins if required.

Other relevant way and works cars seen at Goulburn are five NHSF side dump wagons, numbered in the 16xx series, now painted bright orange (as are the NDYF and NDQF wagons).

(edited correcting NYQF to NDQF)

M636C
  CaseyJones Chief Commissioner

Location: A little south of sanity
M636C, what are the NYQFs? Or is that supposed to be NQYF?

Cheers
  M636C Minister for Railways

M636C, what are the NYQFs? Or is that supposed to be NQYF?

Cheers
"CaseyJones"


Sorry Casey,

Should be NDQF - an NOBX frame with two centrally aligned 20 ft container locations, for spoil containers.

I'll fix the last posting!

M636C
  crypticone Chief Train Controller

Location: Blue Mtns
At chullora NDMX 1819 was N??? 33626 and NDMX 1806 was N??? 33642,
the old plates are still on some wagons.
M636C did the NOBX have this 33000 series numbers ??
The NDMX also seem to have taller wheels than the NDCH/NOBX from the 28000 series.

Cheers
  4464 Chief Commissioner

Location: Gone, like a fart in a fan factory!
Thanks Kid,I noticed them on your site and thought........."they'll come in handy". 8)
  ssrkid Chief Commissioner

Location: stanmore
If you want more of the other types NDBF's, NDCF's and NDCH's let me know, but i dont have any of the wagons where the sides fold down, dont even know there code. I think they carry stone of some sort for infrustructure works?
  biqua Paper Tiger

Location: Under a rock
... but i dont have any of the wagons where the sides fold down, dont even know there code.
"ssrkid"

The yellow ones? NDSF, and somewhere in my to do list also ...
  080900 Assistant Commissioner

Location: -
Hi all

dose any one have any photos of NDWF spoil wagons i saw some models on ebay.

and if no one has photos are they in RIC orange and what other codes do they carry.

thanks

080900
  Kent_B Assistant Commissioner

Location: ED101D
NDWF's are sleeper wagons not spoil wagons, and yes they are in RIC orange.

They similar, but still different, to NDYF's etc.
  Shed_Rat Train Controller

Location: 'A' Shop - Swindon Works
At least some of the NDSF side tip wagons were built by A. Goninan & Co. at Broadmeadow in the 1980's to BHP drawings. They are essentially a "Difco" 30 cubic yard side tip wagon. The is a riveted underframe BHP Newcastle Steelworks version of this type of wagon preserved at Richmond Main (DC 259).
  080900 Assistant Commissioner

Location: -
Dose any one know any spoil wagons that could be modeld (Kit biult) in RIC orange, and if not what are some spoil wagons that can be modeled and thier coads.

080900
  Shed_Rat Train Controller

Location: 'A' Shop - Swindon Works
See this post in a previous thread regarding side tip wagons for details of the Goninan side tip wagons.
http://www.railpage.com.au/f-p1021659.htm#1021659
  M636C Minister for Railways

NDWF's are sleeper wagons not spoil wagons, and yes they are in RIC orange.

They similar, but still different, to NDYF's etc.
"Kent_B"


A couple of NDWFs carry orange boxes that look like spoil boxes but are actually used to recover the wooden spacer strips used with stacks of concrete sleepers.

It was only when I saw them in use that I realised what they were for...

M636C
  080900 Assistant Commissioner

Location: -
See this post in a previous thread regarding side tip wagons for details of the Goninan side tip wagons.
http://www.railpage.com.au/f-p1021659.htm#1021659
"Shed_Rat"


WOW Very Happy . thanks for that Very HappyWink

080900
  645edude Train Controller

Location: In my own little 1/87 world
Hi all
Can anybody tell if the NDCH ex NOBX and NDCH ex NOFH had their wagon sides lowered? If so how much?
Any and all help appreciated
645edude

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