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Door controls on the 'lectrics

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skidsteer Chief Train Controller   Joined: Feb 13, 2006
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Posted: Tue Jun 20, 2006 5:05 pm
Siemens725M wrote:
skidsteer wrote:
This is correct for both Siemens and Xtrap, though the Siemens door system can be bypassed also. But the Comengs and Hitatchis also have a 15 second Traction Power Delay if all the doors are not proved closed when they were supposed to be. But, again, there are ways around this (involving serious penalties if caught)


The Siemens though will cut the power again and revert to "limp home mode" on door failure. This means the driver has no choice but to manually close to door or to proceed without passengers as who would stay on a train doing 30km/h.

The door system on the Siemens is much more "secure" than the X'Traps where you can manually isolate the entire door relay and still operate the train.

If you isolate the doors on a Siemens by use of the curcuit breaker - it automatically detects a failure and reverts to safe mode. The only true bypass is to lock each door so it "closes" the curcuits off for each of the door sets - and this means the doors are closed anyway.



Just wondering if you made up this "limp home mode" or you can you tell me where you got this infomation from.

Im asking because you either made it up or whoever you got this info from has no idea

Isolating/Bypassing of the Door Safety Loop and the Siemens has no effect on the tractive effort available to run the train
 
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Siemens725M Chief Commissioner   Joined: Sep 13, 2005
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Posted: Tue Jun 20, 2006 8:00 pm
Its inbuilt into the on board computer. It should on all the post-update units (which is all but 6 I think at last count) but I did think that feature was on pre-updates too. I worked on them so I have half an idea. The update covered many aspects of the train operations. I think you should have access to these documents if you infact a driver. The Siemens have gone through multiple updates in the last 6-9 months.

Also im not talking about the door safety loop, im talking about the physical power to the door motors from the relay. The door safety loop should never be isolated under any circumstance unless the emergancy door release has been pulled in the rear 3 car set and the driver needs to get the unit to the next station so he can beat the living piss out of the smeghead who did it. The relay however will trigger a major failure in the system as it is an electrical fault condition not a driver caused condition.

"Limp home mode" (or as it is called on a XT, the siemens do have another name for this) can be entered into only by the train itself or maintainance crew when emergancy recoveries of dead units take place. This usually requires a system management computer to be plugged in directly.



The next station is Frankston, This train will be terminating at Frankston.
 
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