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Questions and Answers with Jim Betts

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mjja Sir Nigel Gresley   Joined: Jan 13, 2003
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Posted: Wed Jun 28, 2006 5:06 pm
I have made a new thread for this discussion. Sorry for mucking you up everyone, I'll transfer all the questions which haven't been answered.

For reference, the old thread was here: http://www.railpage.com.au/f-t11319385-0-asc-s30.htm

The conditions of this thread are:
1) Time is limited. We don't want Jim to spend all his time talking to us and none on looking after the system. Therefore, each person will be allowed to ask one question at a time. The moderators will make sure nobody hogs the thread.

2) No leading or loaded questons will be allowed. This thread is for those genuinely seeking information.

3) Discussion should be kept to a minimum. If you want to answer another person's question, do it by PM unless it's very brief. If you want to discuss a related issue, start another thread. This condition has a bit of give in it, ask a moderator if you're unsure.

I think that's it. On with the talking!



Happy Gunzelling and remember, "Go by rail!"

Michael Angelico
President, Smart Passengers Inc
(My opinions are my own unless specifically stated.)
 
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mjja Sir Nigel Gresley   Joined: Jan 13, 2003
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Posted: Wed Jun 28, 2006 5:15 pm
Questions from Meltrip:
Jim, I'd like clarification of a couple of points:

Jim Betts wrote:
Vinelander - thanks for your question

MOTC gives us an extra $120m per annum in recurrent funding for metro bus services; we build up to that level of incremental funding steadily over the next 4-5 years.

This will enable us to put in place a 330km largely orbital SmartBus network by 2011, operating at approx 15 minute frequencies (5.00am to midnight) on weekdays and though the weekend at approx 30 minute frequencies.


1. Is the 15 minute frequency an average throughout the day (ie 10 min peak, 15 off-peak and 30 night) or a level that will be maintained up to the last service at midnight?

2. Do you support harmonised headways for all bus routes, ie if trains are every 15 min, primary bus routes are every 15 min and secondary routes every 30 min to ensure reliable connections? (or if trains are 20 min, buses 20 or 40)

3. Given the claim that Smartbuses will reliably connect with trains, do you consider it reasonable that Smartbus service levels should match trains, ie 20 instead of 30 minutes on weekends?

3a. If the answer to the above indicates that resources are a problem, has thought been given to rationalising other routes and/or truncating underused sections (eg Mentone - Mordialloc sections of 700) to release resources?

4. What is the rationale for tiny local routes serving the back streets of Brighton or Yarraville (which have no major trip generators and are walking distance to trains/trams) having service superior to Smartbus routes serving major trip generators (eg 700)?

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The trick is not just to throw incremental resources at the system, but to work with councils and operators to redesign routes and stopping patterns/locations to maximise community benefit and (crucially) timetabled connections with trains, trams & SmartBus.


A very important point since in the past some local area service changes have been the former with lacklusture results.

5. I'd like to flesh out what 'work with' means in more detail.

* Assuming local councils and DPT support a particular resource-neutral service change as being in the public interest, but the operator doesn't, can they be compelled to comply (given that 80%+ of their funding is from taxpayers)?

* Can the Department require that operators drop certain routes provided that the operator is not disadvantaged (eg additional funding for another of their routes) in the interests of network efficiency and service where it's more needed?

6. Do you propose Transperth-style area-wide route consultations when changes are being planned? Will input be sought from groups like the PTUA?

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Of these, about 160 routes will be operating at 30 minute frequencies or better


7. Where a 30 minute frequency is chosen, will this service level only be used at times where this is compatible with trains (ie Burnley & Caulfield groups only during weekday interpeak and at nights network-wide).

Thanks,

Peter



Happy Gunzelling and remember, "Go by rail!"

Michael Angelico
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station street Chief Commissioner   Joined: Oct 07, 2005
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Posted: Wed Jun 28, 2006 5:29 pm
Before, I get started, I msut ask a simple but breif question: (Only because I'm un aware, not because I'm questioning your source) what's your position?

Anyway -

1) Is anything likely to happen in the near future to the platform capacity problems at Flinders Street? (For example, the way the Northern Group is restricted to one platform in peak)

2) Is there mcuh hope for a speed increase to either / both of the tram levelc rossings on the Glen Waverley line? (Gardiner and Kooyong) - Even if to 30 km / ph like Riversdale and Glen Huntly, opposed to the current 15 km / ph...

3) What is the current situation reguarding the City Loop's signalling and an upgrade, government funded?

4) Where will the third track on the Dandenong most likely end? (Springvale, Dandenong, Clayton...)

EDIT: Just realised MJJAs rules on asking questions. If indeed you find time limited, pelase feel free to only answer question 2.

- Station Street



Thanks for a good time - but I have decided to stop posting.

- Station Street
 
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mjja Sir Nigel Gresley   Joined: Jan 13, 2003
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Posted: Wed Jun 28, 2006 5:32 pm
Questions from tranzitjim (even though he's got a fan club he can ask his questions...):
Who owns the Vinelander cars?

What is to happen to the V/Line BS cars now they are withdrawn?



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mjja Sir Nigel Gresley   Joined: Jan 13, 2003
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Posted: Wed Jun 28, 2006 5:34 pm
Question from Somebody in the WWW:
Heres my 5 questions (and 2c):

- Within what radius of the majority of residents in the metropolitan area does the government intend to provide a public transport service meeting the "minimum service requirements"? I am curious as there are some locations within the middle suburbs where it is over 1.2km for many residents to walk to their nearest public transport service which runs decent operating hours & frequencies Mon-Sat, with usually almost no service on Sundays.

- Is it intended to redesign some routes to be more direct through the back streets of suburbia? There are some routes that operate large sections with little catchment that add significantly longer to the timetable while collecting few passengers along such areas.

- Are some surplus bus routes (ie #509 along Hope Street, #479 extension to City) likely to be scrapped entirely on the grounds of duplicating other services and receiving little patronage?

- Are you in a position to comment on patronage? If so, what are the most and least used services on a passengers-per-service ratio?

- Is it intended to re-design timetables to co-ordinate train & bus connections & frequencies? For example, in some areas there is a train service running every 15 minutes, and a bus every 20, meaning that any connection is just luck, or vice versa. Another example would be too short connections - one being that on week nights at Box Hill, there is a 3 minute connection between the train from the City and the #279 bus. As passengers are required to walk one escalator, exit through the ticket barriers, then walk through a confusing shopping centre to another escalator to take them up to the bus dec, this connection is very hard to make within the 3 minutes allocated without hurrying!

Thanks! Very Happy



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mjja Sir Nigel Gresley   Joined: Jan 13, 2003
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Posted: Wed Jun 28, 2006 5:38 pm
I think that's the lot. PM me if I've missed anything.



Happy Gunzelling and remember, "Go by rail!"

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Posted: Wed Jun 28, 2006 5:50 pm
Do you expect the T&L statement will be enough to achieve the government's goal of 20% by 2020
 
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savethehumans Chief Train Controller   Joined: Mar 21, 2005
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Posted: Wed Jun 28, 2006 6:06 pm
Q: How many paid employees does the DoI have, what proportion (roughly) could be described as service planning, and what is the combined salary (or the average salary) per service planning person.
 
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Posted: Wed Jun 28, 2006 6:39 pm
What is the timeline on the third track from Blackburn to Ringwood, including the relocation of Heatherdale?

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melbtrip Chief Commissioner   Joined: Mar 02, 2004
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Posted: Wed Jun 28, 2006 6:50 pm
What happing with the Red Orbital bus?
It was in the Banyule Banner (July 2006) it was going to start in 6 months time long following roads: Southern Road, Oriel Road, Bell street, Burgundy street, Dora/Jika Streets.

If so going to start in 6 months time, what bus company is going run the bus route?



 
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PalmerEldritch Say goodnight to the bad guy   Joined: Jun 16, 2004
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Posted: Wed Jun 28, 2006 7:15 pm
Jim, is the State Government still committed to three tracks between Caulfield and Dandenong, or will the triplication end at Springvale permanently?

Thanks in advance
PE



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Byrnesy Minister for Railways   Joined: Jul 07, 2005
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Posted: Wed Jun 28, 2006 7:40 pm
Reminds me...

Jim, is the DoI looking at issues other than Dandenong-Cranbourne duplication and Caulfield-Dandenong triplication that affect the Caulfield group in peak hour in particular?

These could include a third track from Moorabbin to Cheltenham or Mordialloc, changes in the manner in which trains run between Richmond and Caulfield to a more East Richmond/Burnley style arrangement (so, with a DOWN all stopper-DOWN express, UP express-UP express arrangment for the four tracks from Richmond/South Yarra to Caulfield instead of DOWN Dandenong-UP Dandenong DOWN Frankston-UP Frankston arrangement that we have now), a flyover DOWN of Caulfield to avoid conflicts, more direct peak services etc.

Thanks in advance.



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unique Chief Commissioner   Joined: Feb 13, 2006
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Posted: Wed Jun 28, 2006 7:50 pm
Who is Jim Betts?
 
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PalmerEldritch Say goodnight to the bad guy   Joined: Jun 16, 2004
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Posted: Wed Jun 28, 2006 7:55 pm
unique wrote:
Who is Jim Betts?
I beleive he is the director of public transport within the DoI.



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Posted: Wed Jun 28, 2006 8:36 pm
First up, thanks to the Moderators for establishing order in the face of insurrection from the Taliban.

Second up, many thanks for all these questions.

Probably the best way forward is for me to log in over the weekend and try to answer as many points as possible in one go. In the mean time, keep the questions coming.

For those of you who don't know (and why should you?), I've been Director of Public Transport in the Vic State Govt since November 2004. I run Public Transport Division - part of the Dept of Infrastructure - and have a staff of 400 people. We deal with trains, trams, buses and taxis across Victoria - long term planning, short term contract management & regulation, etc, etc.

I've been heartened by the willingness of most people on this site to engage constructively.

Think about this formulation:

Option (a): as a Govt you invest $6.5bn in public transport
Option (b) as a Govt you do nothing for public transport

If, under both scenarios, you get bagged by the PTUA et al, you may be tempted to go for option (b) and spend the money on more grateful stakeholders in the health and education sectors. That's why these people are NOT ON OUR SIDE.

Enough of PTUA, let's share some facts and opinions and I'll do my best to be open with you at all times.
 
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