General QR CityTrain thread

Mickelaar · Posted: Thu Aug 10, 2006 7:43 pm

Hi all.

Recent issues with posts going awol on their original topic has inspired this thread. Chat isn't bound by any specific topic.... if it's on your chest and its QR related, here's the spot.

May I start with the current worst offender. Talks in relation to 15 minute services and where they should go. This one seems to pop up all the time, as majority of the folks here seem to all for 15 minute service.. given it be from particular stations... IE Kingston - Mitchelton.

New lines also which i guess ties in with the 15 minute service proposal. Or is it that "we" as a forum have done that? New lines that are either proposed, continually on again / off again (kippa Ring), which of course could lead the way with a Petrie - Northgate 15 minute frequency. Same again With Greenbank.

So guys, if the forum starts going astray, please think of this thread, and take it here...

Cheers

Mick

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ar31 · Posted: Thu Aug 10, 2006 7:50 pm

I'd probably suggest topic change to "General QR CityTrain thread" or something along those lines as its mainly focused on that and it'll prevent the recent change of topics in other posts.

MelbourneCity · Posted: Thu Aug 10, 2006 9:25 pm

I think Citytrain needs a 15minute frequency on all lines, except to Gympie and Rosewood.

15mins to Caboolture, Cleveland, Airport, Gold Coast, Ipswhich, Ferny Grove and Shorncliffe.

What is the greatest frequency that the Gold Coast line can handle once the upgrade is complete?
Will trains be able to run every 5mins from Roma Street to Robina? (assuming demand ever required that)

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ar31 · Posted: Thu Aug 10, 2006 9:28 pm

Mickelaar · Posted: Thu Aug 10, 2006 10:30 pm

6 car at 30 minutes... It would be a better idea to run a 3 car at 15 minutes. The units are already there, just a matter of hiring an extra guard & driver per unit sent.

Beenleigh would be the only line that could benefit from a "full line" 15 minte run.... At the least, run from kingston. As Colin said, It used to be the terminus for EMU, with the 2000 class taking over from Kingston, to Beenleigh.

As for 5 minute Robina (soon to be Reedy Creek) to Brisbane... I doubt that kind of frequency will ever be needed.

Cheers

Mick

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ar31 · Posted: Thu Aug 10, 2006 10:36 pm

colinw · Posted: Fri Aug 11, 2006 8:20 am

Running 100% of capacity all the way to the end of the line is silly, as it means a lot of empty seats in the outer half of each of the major lines.

The population density, and number of boardings, increases markedly inward of about the 15km point on most lines, a bit closer in some cases, a bit further out in the case of Beenleigh due to the Woodridge/Kingston area.

It therefore makes sense to run more frequent trains up to an intermediate point, so that the level of service matches demand. This is what already happens from Corinda to Northgate with 15 minute off-peak. Stations through the densely populated inner western and inner northern suburbs easily support the quarter hourly service, but it would be a waste to run those trains all the way to Ipswich.

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RTT_Rules · Posted: Fri Aug 11, 2006 8:38 am

It was mentioned about running ltd express to Ips and then to Rosewood/Grandschestor.

I don't see any conflicts with the existing 30min all stoppers trains. The express could leave say Plat 3 5min after the all stopper and move to the main western lines passing the all stopper before Corinda and then should have a clear run through to Ipswich with the previous train arriving 5-10min prior. The express would stop at say Toowong, Indo, Corinda, Darra. Should be easier than the GC/BL line.

I agree on the 15min thing for Kingston/Kuraby, Manly, Petrie, Mich. Corinda to NG is already there. No reason why it couldn't happen as it only adds a 4 more train movements per hour across the bridge and through the city. Potentially some/all of the existing 6 cars sets could be broken down to 3 cars as there may be slightly less demand for the 30min set. Also the 30min set may actually run with a more consistent load so the train is used more efficently.

I wonder how many more crew are actually needed. As all QRCT crews are full time, so perhaps some after peak have little work driving a train.

Anyway, surely extra cost is minimal as if you are able to convert 6 car 30min trains to 15min, with half the sets stopping half way you use less energy, sets, wear on outer rails etc.

regards
Shane

beauyboy · Posted: Fri Aug 11, 2006 9:36 am

My idea for the Rosewood/ipswich Service is that the shorncliffe corinda service be extended all the way to rosewood but on once leaving corinda it becomes an express to ipswich then all stations to rosewood. This would inturn mean there would be less train movements thru Roma street and less train movements on the line, an express service thru service to Rosewood and an easy change from one service to another at Ipswich.

Beauyboy

For christ sakes upgrade the NCL QR!!!!!
BCC give us some more bikeways for safe travel!!

colinw · Posted: Fri Aug 11, 2006 9:57 am

IMHO, extension of the Shorncliffe to Corinda to Springfield is far more likely.

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Mickelaar · Posted: Fri Aug 11, 2006 9:58 am

ar31 · Posted: Fri Aug 11, 2006 10:22 am

Mickelaar · Posted: Fri Aug 11, 2006 10:27 am

That realy hurts... (for the locals)... but then again, there isnt that much at rosewood... and are the shuttles used? How often is a 3 car EMU full.... Appart from the school time service?

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colinw · Posted: Fri Aug 11, 2006 11:05 am

Rosewood services are much better used than the old Helidon railcar was, with its infrequent, non clock-face timetable. There is a lot of housing springing up at places like Walloon and also around Wulkuraka.

I believe there is a proposal for a power feed at Karrabin, which would probably break the overhead into separate sections from Corinda to Ipswich and just beyond Ipswich to Rosewood. The Darra/Redbank 3rd line and Springfield branch will require a power upgrade on the Corinda to Ipswich section, and probably a separate feed for the branch.

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Guss · Posted: Fri Aug 11, 2006 2:25 pm

i'll be catching a train from sandgate tomorrow, i'll see what passenger levels are like...

James..