Two B Class Series have Head-On in Nowergup Depot

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Freddo Chief Commissioner

Location: Junee NSW
have been speaking to some fellow drivers, and last night 2 B Series Railcars had a head-on in Nowergup Depot, and according to them, it was not a light impact.  Now before the Web Police Start Yelling and protest about Blocking Free Speech, no one was on board, no passengers etc no one hurt and that is all I know.

Update: NO Transperth Drivers were involved with this incident.
 
NR29 Chief Commissioner

Location: Perth Australia
how bad was the damage, how many B was damage and what is the Number of the set? thanks Freddo
 
Australind Minister for Railways

Location: Perth, Western Australia
how bad was the damage, how many B was damage and what is the Number of the set? thanks Freddo
- Transit Guard


From what freddos post says 2 B sets where damage.
 
WAGR Chief Commissioner

As the incedent is being investigated by the ORS i will not comment on the how & what & why but only to say that the damage is extensive and the two units maybe returned to QLD for rebuilding
 
wongm GEEWONG

Location: Geelong, Victoria
Update: NO Transperth Drivers were involved with this incident.
- Freddo

As in no drivers injured, or that no drivers were driving?
 
chrisr001 Chief Commissioner

As the incedent is being investigated by the ORS i will not comment on the how & what & why but only to say that the damage is extensive and the two units maybe returned to QLD for rebuilding
- WAGR


OUCH, that will hurt if they haver to send them back ?

If 2 cab cars were damaged, is it possible to graft the safe end cars + 1 middle car to make a new set (the end cars will be different), so we are only 1 set down ?

also, will ORS ever release the findings (like ATSB) ?
 
wongm GEEWONG

Location: Geelong, Victoria
If 2 cab cars were damaged, is it possible to graft the safe end cars + 1 middle car to make a new set (the end cars will be different), so we are only 1 set down ?
- chrisr001

That has happened in Melbourne quite a few times after collisions, with the good cars being placed into one set and the rest sent off.

Are your driving cars identical at each end, or are they different? Since it was a head on, it wouldn't really matter though - you would have of each type of car at each end anyway. I aslo assume your sets don't get reversed at any time, as this could complicate matters.

The only big problem I forsee is that it will confuse railfans with two sets floating around with non-sequential numbers. Laughing
 
NR29 Chief Commissioner

Location: Perth Australia
rebuild the damage cars by EDI? how is that possible while those guys are busy constructing the EMU and IMU

will the car be finish on time for the mandurah -clarkson line?
 
Kafoopsy Chief Commissioner

Location: Perth, WA
Wouldn't it be easier to send parts over here to fix them rather than send them back over east?
 
NR29 Chief Commissioner

Location: Perth Australia
good point kafoospy
 
3foot6 Minister for Railways

Location: Unknown
What about the expertise.  The team who constructed the B Series EMU live in Maryborough, Queensland.  I would say that if they need to be repaired they will be returned to Queensland in full.

Why in full?  Because all three cars are required for testing when they're fixed.

Does anyone have photographs of the damage?
 
Mike_in_the_west Chief Commissioner

Location: Perth, WA
That has happened in Melbourne quite a few times after collisions, with the good cars being placed into one set and the rest sent off.
- wongm


Dont forget in melbourne though, your trains are M+T+M.  The M cars are all the same.  Here, its BEA, BET, BEB.  The BEA and BEB cars are different to each other.  The M cars in Melbourne have the panograph per car with no transfer of electricty to the other car (apart from lighting to the trailer car).  Here, the BET car has the panograph and supplies electricty to the entire trainset.
 
3foot6 Minister for Railways

Location: Unknown
A B Series EMU consists of DMA + T + DMB.  The entire Unit is required for it to run because each car (even the trailer) has equipment that is required for operation of the train.

One or two cars cannot return to EDI in Maryborough for repairs because they could not be tested after the work has been completed.

As Mike said, the Melbourne consist is different, thus allowing this movement to take place.
 
Termite Chief Commissioner

Location: NSW
What about the expertise.  The team who constructed the B Series EMU live in Maryborough, Queensland.  I would say that if they need to be repaired they will be returned to Queensland in full.
- MichaelJ


Depends on the extent of damage and repairs required, may be cheaper to send the parts and necessary personnel over to W.A for repairs.

Cheers
v69
 
NR29 Chief Commissioner

Location: Perth Australia
i just hope that the damage will get fix in time b4 the opening of the mandurah line,  which it should be unless the investigation hold the progress up which i doubt it and the time for the locomotive(to get damage B to QLD from perth) avaibillity
 
NR29 Chief Commissioner

Location: Perth Australia
I just hope that the damage will get fix in time b4 the opening of the Mandurah line,  which it should be unless the investigation hold the progress up which I doubt it and the time for the locomotive(to get damage B to QLD from Perth) Availability
 
Australind Minister for Railways

Location: Perth, Western Australia
I just hope that the damage will get fix in time b4 the opening of the Mandurah line,  which it should be unless the investigation hold the progress up which I doubt it and the time for the locomotive(to get damage B to QLD from Perth) Availability
- Transit Guard


And it also depends on where they going to send it and what damage needs to be repaired, could of twisted anything.
 
miketransperth Deputy Commissioner

Location: Perth [Southern Suburbs]
Okay, this isnt something that the PTA wanted. This will delay some things (such as possible order of more B's any time soon). However, the damage will most likely be able to be fixed here, except if it is technical wiring or internal damages to any system of the train. If it was just the Exterior of the Body that was damaged, the parts will be sent here as that can simply be repaired here. They will NOT sent the trains back to EDIB for something which is as simple as this. Too much hype.

I dont think it was SERIOUS. Just a good crunching. Picture would be very nice.

Cheers
 
wongm GEEWONG

Location: Geelong, Victoria
One or two cars cannot return to EDI in Maryborough for repairs because they could not be tested after the work has been completed.

As Mike said, the Melbourne consist is different, thus allowing this movement to take place.
- MichaelJ

I still think it would be possible - you can't operate Melbourne Comengs as just 2 cars, they went for repairs as a 3 car set, with the good one still kicking around in revenue service.

You could do the same with a B set, provided you want to go through all the mucking around of remarshing the 6 cars around (to sort out the right types of cars in each set) and the associated disconnecting and reconnecting of the inter-car connections.
 
miketransperth Deputy Commissioner

Location: Perth [Southern Suburbs]
It is this simple. If it is only the front exterior panel. They will be knocked off, and new part installed.

Except if more is damaged, which seems unlikely, except if the train was traveling 15km/h + ?

More details on this accident would be good, instead of panicing about multiple scenarios

Cheers
 
WAGR Chief Commissioner

i believe the impact speed was 31kph
 
miketransperth Deputy Commissioner

Location: Perth [Southern Suburbs]
i believe the impact speed was 31kph
- WAGR


30 km/h is fairly fast for collision! Hmmm, i hope someone can get an image of this.
 
NMR watcher Assistant Commissioner

As this "accident"  happened at Nowergup depot there is little that the PTA can do about it, as the mainenance and repair ot the "B" trainsets are the responsibilities of EDI- Bombardier who have control of the Nowergup facility,  so any arrangement to have the trainsets involved repaired rests with EDI-Bombardier.
Any employee of that company would be endangering their employment if they were rash enough to make any photograph of the damaged railcars for their own use prior to any inquiry as to the cause of the "accident".
 
miketransperth Deputy Commissioner

Location: Perth [Southern Suburbs]
As this "accident"  happened at Nowergup depot there is little that the PTA can do about it, as the mainenance and repair ot the "B" trainsets are the responsibilities of EDI- Bombardier who have control of the Nowergup facility,  so any arrangement to have the trainsets involved repaired rests with EDI-Bombardier.
Any employee of that company would be endangering their employment if they were rash enough to make any photograph of the damaged railcars for their own use prior to any inquiry as to the cause of the "accident".
- NMR watcher


Incorrect, the PTA encorporate this mate. The repair of this train is NOT the responsibility of EDIB (EDI are not an insurance company) however the Maintainance is. I acqknowledge that EDIB are in contract to MAINTAIN these trains, but damage due to accident is not necessarily covered. The PTA can choose what to do, but will most likely work with EDIB and come to a resolution that is the quickest, safest and cheapest.

Depending on how serious the damage is, you could see two sets being sent back, if its fixable here, well, thats what will happen.

Photograph of the trains would be good, however employees and public must follow with rules and laws, and if photography is 'illigal' then dont do it.

Cheers
 
wongm GEEWONG

Location: Geelong, Victoria
Photograph of the trains would be good, however employees and public must follow with rules and laws, and if photography is 'illegal' then dont do it.
- miketransperth

Usually most railways seem to be touchy about photos of accidents - though more of a concern about bad media publicity than anything else.

If it was in a public area then some pics would have popped up by now, but I guess with the accident being in the depot, anyone seen taking photos would probably get a talking to from managment. (not a good thing if one enjoys having a job...) Down the track a bit, some offical investigation photos might turn up - do the published accident reports include them?
 

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