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Freddo
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Posted: Thu Aug 24, 2006 7:19 pm
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have been speaking to some fellow drivers, and last night 2 B Series Railcars had a head-on in Nowergup Depot, and according to them, it was not a light impact. Now before the Web Police Start Yelling and protest about Blocking Free Speech, no one was on board, no passengers etc no one hurt and that is all I know.
Update: NO Transperth Drivers were involved with this incident.
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NR29
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Posted: Thu Aug 24, 2006 8:36 pm
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how bad was the damage, how many B was damage and what is the Number of the set? thanks Freddo
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Australind
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Posted: Thu Aug 24, 2006 8:40 pm
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| Transit Guard wrote: | | how bad was the damage, how many B was damage and what is the Number of the set? thanks Freddo |
From what freddos post says 2 B sets where damage.
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WAGR
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Posted: Thu Aug 24, 2006 9:50 pm
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As the incedent is being investigated by the ORS i will not comment on the how & what & why but only to say that the damage is extensive and the two units maybe returned to QLD for rebuilding
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wongm
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Posted: Thu Aug 24, 2006 9:58 pm
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| Freddo wrote: | | Update: NO Transperth Drivers were involved with this incident. |
As in no drivers injured, or that no drivers were driving?
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chrisr001
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Posted: Thu Aug 24, 2006 10:17 pm
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| WAGR wrote: | | As the incedent is being investigated by the ORS i will not comment on the how & what & why but only to say that the damage is extensive and the two units maybe returned to QLD for rebuilding |
OUCH, that will hurt if they haver to send them back ?
If 2 cab cars were damaged, is it possible to graft the safe end cars + 1 middle car to make a new set (the end cars will be different), so we are only 1 set down ?
also, will ORS ever release the findings (like ATSB) ?
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wongm
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Posted: Thu Aug 24, 2006 10:27 pm
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| chrisr001 wrote: | | If 2 cab cars were damaged, is it possible to graft the safe end cars + 1 middle car to make a new set (the end cars will be different), so we are only 1 set down ? |
That has happened in Melbourne quite a few times after collisions, with the good cars being placed into one set and the rest sent off.
Are your driving cars identical at each end, or are they different? Since it was a head on, it wouldn't really matter though - you would have of each type of car at each end anyway. I aslo assume your sets don't get reversed at any time, as this could complicate matters.
The only big problem I forsee is that it will confuse railfans with two sets floating around with non-sequential numbers. 
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NR29
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Posted: Thu Aug 24, 2006 11:45 pm
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rebuild the damage cars by EDI? how is that possible while those guys are busy constructing the EMU and IMU
will the car be finish on time for the mandurah -clarkson line?
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Kafoopsy
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Posted: Fri Aug 25, 2006 12:12 am
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Wouldn't it be easier to send parts over here to fix them rather than send them back over east?
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NR29
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Posted: Fri Aug 25, 2006 12:15 am
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good point kafoospy
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3foot6
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Posted: Fri Aug 25, 2006 2:03 pm
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What about the expertise. The team who constructed the B Series EMU live in Maryborough, Queensland. I would say that if they need to be repaired they will be returned to Queensland in full.
Why in full? Because all three cars are required for testing when they're fixed.
Does anyone have photographs of the damage?
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Mike_in_the_west
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Posted: Fri Aug 25, 2006 2:31 pm
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| wongm wrote: | | That has happened in Melbourne quite a few times after collisions, with the good cars being placed into one set and the rest sent off. |
Dont forget in melbourne though, your trains are M+T+M. The M cars are all the same. Here, its BEA, BET, BEB. The BEA and BEB cars are different to each other. The M cars in Melbourne have the panograph per car with no transfer of electricty to the other car (apart from lighting to the trailer car). Here, the BET car has the panograph and supplies electricty to the entire trainset.
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3foot6
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Posted: Fri Aug 25, 2006 3:16 pm
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A B Series EMU consists of DMA + T + DMB. The entire Unit is required for it to run because each car (even the trailer) has equipment that is required for operation of the train.
One or two cars cannot return to EDI in Maryborough for repairs because they could not be tested after the work has been completed.
As Mike said, the Melbourne consist is different, thus allowing this movement to take place.
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Termite
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Posted: Fri Aug 25, 2006 4:23 pm
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| MichaelJ wrote: | What about the expertise. The team who constructed the B Series EMU live in Maryborough, Queensland. I would say that if they need to be repaired they will be returned to Queensland in full.
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Depends on the extent of damage and repairs required, may be cheaper to send the parts and necessary personnel over to W.A for repairs.
Cheers
v69
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NR29
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Posted: Fri Aug 25, 2006 5:14 pm
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i just hope that the damage will get fix in time b4 the opening of the mandurah line, which it should be unless the investigation hold the progress up which i doubt it and the time for the locomotive(to get damage B to QLD from perth) avaibillity
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