General Discussion

MattAustin · Posted: Thu Nov 09, 2006 7:18 pm

Well, well, well!

Ed, that model sure is coming along well!

(grabs hat, coat, leaves room)

Cheers,
Matt

It rubs the lotion on its skin or else it gets the hose again.

Alltrains · Posted: Thu Nov 09, 2006 7:38 pm

hey ed what a great model the only problem is I can't get any water out of it. I'm going to have to set up a siphern hose

MattAustin · Posted: Thu Nov 09, 2006 7:39 pm

Surely a bloke with a bucket would do the trick?

Cheers,
Matt

It rubs the lotion on its skin or else it gets the hose again.

Alltrains · Posted: Thu Nov 09, 2006 7:42 pm

I don't know about a rope but there are a couple of blokes I would like to use but then that would pollute the water

big_ed · Posted: Thu Nov 09, 2006 7:53 pm

Well Well Well what have we got here?

http://ed-bigge.fotopic.net/c1081304.html

Cheers Ed

Alyx · Posted: Thu Nov 09, 2006 7:55 pm

Alltrains · Posted: Thu Nov 09, 2006 7:56 pm

Hey ed you forgot the wagon code (one letter for each well) SPM

superheatedsteam · Posted: Fri Nov 10, 2006 7:00 am

Alltrains · Posted: Fri Nov 10, 2006 10:03 am

You are coming to an understanding of the situation (PM). You are lucky that those documents are in plain english which makes them easy to read
and understand. If I gave you the actual copyright act then you would be a good candidate for a mental home with all the legal jargon that is in it as is with all legal government documents.

allanl · Posted: Fri Nov 10, 2006 10:43 am

There is a well known painting (and prints) of an SAR T class ambling down the main street of Port Pirie.
One now questions whether the painter, Kenneth Jack, was required to obtain permission from the SAR to include the SAR T class locomotive and rolling stock, permission from the hoteliers, for the Hotel, the SAR for the station buildings, BHP for the rails and a number of shop keepers to include these and numerous other 'world objects' in his painting.
I also wonder whether the tourist got permission from the SA Government before he published his 'On Holiday' photo in one of the numerous 'share your photos' sites of his wife standing in front of the historic SA Museum building.
Before the 1500 route builders in the world scurry for cover and every route under construction is killed off, will you, please, be specific in some answers - please.
allanl

Alltrains · Posted: Fri Nov 10, 2006 11:24 am

Allanl if you do a pianting of any object it is classified as an object of art and therefore the artist has the copyright but if an artist does a painting of an object off the "plan" of that object then they require permission because they are copying an already existing piece of art (a plan of any object is classified as a piece of art) as the drawer of the plan is the copyright owner. If you take photos of any locomotives you are free to use those photos for your own personal use but if you use those photos in a book that you distribute to the public then you are required to obtain permission, now if you take a photo of your wife, mistress or whatever and it happens to have a locomotive or building in the background then that photo is yours but some places like the MCG in Melbourne and some of the big golf clubs do have photo restrictions on them. The building of an accurate 3D model requires that you use the "plan" of the real object for the measurements so therefore you are actually building a scale model of the real thing but if you build a locomotive that there is no "plan" of then that locomotive is classified as your design and therefore it becomes your copyright.
The whole thing is if you use a plan that was drawn by someone else then you require permission from them to use it. It is the same as you have designed and built a route of Adelaide and the Hills then you are the copyright owner and if I want to use any of your route to add on to it or anything then I am required to obtain permission from you. It is to protect the designer and their work so that others cannot steal their design use it for financial gain or recognition. If you require any further information allanl please PM me.

gallop3 · Posted: Fri Nov 10, 2006 11:42 am

Very interesting subject.
So therefore how could it be proved whether a proper scaled plan was used.?
The reason being that I know of some models that have been measured by hand and done with sketches etc.
It seems a fine line we are all walking.
Looking forward to more comments on this subject.
Will also be a good lesson for those that choose to ignore copyright altogether.
Cheers
Ian

gallop3

ARG706 · Posted: Fri Nov 10, 2006 11:44 am

Greetings to our resident bureaucrat here

I've built a model of a stone SAR station building, It is a close to an exact replica in width and length. The arch may be off by a few inches though.

I originally built this building using plans for another station building which is a replica. However I wasn't quite sure wether it was 79 feet or 75 feet. Althouh I am leaning towars the latter. Now my attempt to follow the plan was as considerate and careful as possible taking into avccount I had lost the piece of paper containing my recordings from the actual plan so I had to do it from memory.

By the miraculous chance that I had actually remembered it perfectly and constructed a perfect building am I supposed to contact the SAR commissioner who was in power back in 1911 via some sort of "ghost whisperer" to see if he is ok with me using some technology which he wouldn't have thought of in his wildest childhood dreams to construct his building?

Note, I have used this building in several places in a route and plan to use modify it with different textures. I have modified the nameboard on the western end of it at each siding accordingly but the model is the same. Given that there may be or may not be plans for each of these replica buildings. How many 130 year old copyrights am I breaching here?

Alltrains · Posted: Fri Nov 10, 2006 11:45 am

that is what all of this is about

Alltrains · Posted: Fri Nov 10, 2006 11:55 am

No ARG706 a copyright had a life of 50 years until recently and it has now been extended to 70 years but with the extension of time it does not go back further than 1956 when any plan that was designed before 31 December 1956 the copyright on that plan expires on 31 December 2006 but any plan that was done after 31 December 1956 has a copyright life of 70 years.
Ian if you take the measurements off the real object then it is deemed that you are copying from the original plan as you are using the dimensions that are set down on the original drawings