Trains up at Tocumwal

 
  Brenden Locomotive Driver

Location: Melbourne
Hi all,
I'm heading up this way in 2 weeks time, and just wondering what sort of train movements can be seen. Was hopping to go fishing near the old bridge over the Murray.

I assuming grain and fuel is the go.
Do they run trains during the day on Saturday/Sunday or is it just at night?
Some rough times would be appreciated.

Cheers

Brenden

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  rjcas SprogMasterZer0

AFAIK, there are currently no trains to Tocumwal
  574M White Guru

Location: Shepparton
9353 and 9354 run to Tocumwal Mon-Fri.

I will check with the signaller and get times to post here.

Check back here in a few days.
  fast01 BUTTSCRATCHER!

Location: Somewhere your not.
I thought they were axed a while back? I heard before they were axed though they were tried as night runs for a few weeks Confused
  rjcas SprogMasterZer0

I thought they were axed a while back? I heard before they were axed though they were tried as night runs for a few weeks Confused
"fast01"


Exactly what I heard too
  ninthnotch Dr Beeching

Location: Not here. Try another castle.
As far as I am aware, 9353 and 9354 still run; the down run pronbably wouldn't get there before dawn; the nighttime run should leave in late afternoon.  

There may also be a grain train or two running.  Either way, Tocumwal is a nice spot with a very good pub opposite the station.
  574M White Guru

Location: Shepparton
I thought they were axed a while back? I heard before they were axed though they were tried as night runs for a few weeks Confused
"fast01"


9351 and 9352 were axed.

9083 and 9084 now run in those paths, joining the NE lines at Toolamba.
  574M White Guru

Location: Shepparton
As far as I am aware, 9353 and 9354 still run; the down run pronbably wouldn't get there before dawn; the nighttime run should leave in late afternoon.  

There may also be a grain train or two running.  Either way, Tocumwal is a nice spot with a very good pub opposite the station.
"ninthnotch"


Spot on as usual.
There is also a railfan shop (of sorts) opposite the station.

Be careful of the long grass and the weeds on the NSW side.
There's track under there.
  Rodo Chief Commissioner

Location: Southern Riverina
On weekdays, train sits most of the day in Tocumwal yard while containers are exchanged from semi-trailers and road trains.  Some wagons of grain are generally shunted from the grain terminal or a seperate grain train can operate at the busiest times of grain cartage.
  LowndesJ515 #TeamRog

Location: Not in Victoria
9353 normally departs Tottenham yard around the 0030 mark and gets to tocumwal anywhere between 0600 and 0800. 9354 leaves tocumwal around the 1800 to 2000 (depends on if the crew want to get dinner at shepparton) and gets to tottenham between 0030 and 0300. 9353 had containers to mooroopna and tocumwal. the fast track wagons to shepparton sometimes oils to shepparton and sometimes grain to tocumwal. all this happens monday to friday.

9083 will follow the old path of 9351, where as 9084 will go infront of 9354. 9084 is due to get to seymour around 2135 then 9354 will be able to depart shepparton i believe.

There is also a railfan shop (of sorts) opposite the station.

this has gone now. been gone for a couple of months.
  Brenden Locomotive Driver

Location: Melbourne
Thanks guys for your information.
Looks like no action on the weekends but a few good pics of the bridge/yard to be had.

Cheers

Brenden
  Brewza Locomotive Fireman

Location: Shepparton, Victoria
I am surprised as to why daylight services have been discontinued. Any reason why, and is there a possibility of a re-commencement of daylight services?
  hally Train Controller

Location: Splitting the Eaton up into 18th
I am surprised as to why daylight services have been discontinued. Any reason why, and is there a possibility of a re-commencement of daylight services?
"Brewza"


They are only nighttime services for you because your looking at the serivce as it goes thru Shepparton. Its a daylight service for Tocumwal. Anyway the cancelation of the true "daytime freight" has been discussed in another thread. The name was 9351/9352 canned (someone kind will post the link)

Ill give you some of my ideas why it no longer runs, even if it is a bit anoying that its gone.
9351 used to get into Shepp at about 1000 to 1030 ish to fufill its train order so the down pass can depart Seymour. Then it dropped its Oil loading for shepp and headed off for Toc. 9352 would return and be in shepp by around 1300 to 1345, sometimes with as little as 3 or 4 loaded 20ft containers. So the only container loading from Toc is what was left over from the previous night or the very first loadings of that morning. My guess is that the containers would need to be at Toc yard by 9.30am!!
It would then pick up the empty oil carts from shepp yard which are draged up by the Y from Shell on the Dookie line. It would then preceed to Mooroopna and pick up the Mornings container loading at about 1400ish.. To make this train you need your containers at Mooroopna by 1230, maybe 1300 at the very latest.
So while this service was great for Phillips/Patriks customers in Mooroopna, it was of less use to Toc because it departed soo early.
In the end Pac nats "we run big trains like in america" attitude showed and now the two trains are joined together.
One thing i think it may have allowed is that 9083 and 9084 run via Seymour/Toolamba. With the extra midday pass service to Shepp now i dont think they would have fitted in the echuca if 9351/9352 was running.
Also seen as thou u dont put containers on trains it shoulnd worry you much. Just get on your pushbike and ride to Tatura to see a daylight freight.[/url]
  T411 Moderator

Location: Somewhere
What has been found recently is that with the loading coming out of Tocumwal/Shepparton/Mooroopna that the second train (51/52) would have been evry useful. 9353/9354 are quite often on the limit in terms of mass and length.

I have heard of the odd extra service being run at night recently to bring back excess loading in addition to the regular service. Also it appears that at least once a week loading is left somewhere for the next night due to being over the limits allowed.
  hally Train Controller

Location: Splitting the Eaton up into 18th
What has been found recently is that with the loading coming out of Tocumwal/Shepparton/Mooroopna that the second train (51/52) would have been evry useful. 9353/9354 are quite often on the limit in terms of mass and length.

I have heard of the odd extra service being run at night recently to bring back excess loading in addition to the regular service. Also it appears that at least once a week loading is left somewhere for the next night due to being over the limits allowed.
"T411"


I have seen this a number of times now... Its amazing how such trains are pulled by a single X or A from Toc and then they get an extra P and T or some combination containing at least 1 P from Mooroopna. One evening i saw about 350 meters of train left in seymour, and a G added to the front!
What would be good is if the yard pilot or a T or P could take the Mooroopna loading to Murch to join on with 9084, as it would be returning late afternoon... Or the non time dependant freight could be taken to much yard and conected to the next up Echuca train..
  574M White Guru

Location: Shepparton
One thing i think it may have allowed is that 9083 and 9084 run via Seymour/Toolamba. With the extra midday pass service to Shepp now i dont think they would have fitted in the echuca if 9351/9352 was running.
"hally"


Note 9083/84 - these are now renumbered to

9383
9384

from Thursday of this week.
  LowndesJ515 #TeamRog

Location: Not in Victoria
A block grain train went up to Tocumwal last night being 9387 and 9388 and i believe that there was another block grainy to tocumwal of tuesday this week, same numbers. leaves tocumwal somewhere around 1430 i think.
  another gunzel Assistant Commissioner

Location: Melbourne
Yes, it went up there last night rostered with G511 - X42 - X44. It was actully splitting half the train at Shepparton, G511 to take the Tocumwal half and X42 take the other half to Dookie to load and return as 9359/9360, then attach back at Shepparton with the loading ex Tocumwal for Mlebourne.
  another gunzel Assistant Commissioner

Location: Melbourne
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"hally"


Note 9083/84 - these are now renumbered to

9383
9384

from Thursday of this week.
"574M"




Its actully re-numbered from Monday 4th September!
The path that the Deniliquin freight is allocated to is as follows:

9383 Mon to Fri TOTTENHAM YARD to DENILIQUIN - Freight Train
TOTTENHAM YARD    ex 07:00
BROADMEADOWS   07:48*
(Fits in between SEY Sprinter 8303 & ALB Pass 8305)
SEYMOUR                   09:10
SEYMOUR                   09:17
TOOLAMBA   10:20
TOOLAMBA   10:30
ECHUCA                   12:25
ECHUCA                   12:40
DENILIQUIN          arr   14:35

9384 Mon to Fri DENILIQUIN to TOTTENHAM YARD - Freight Train
DENILIQUIN          ex   16:35
ECHUCA                  18:30
ECHUCA                  18:45
TOOLAMBA  20:35
TOOLAMBA                  20:40
SEYMOUR                  21:35
SEYMOUR                  21:40
BROADMEADOWS  22:59*
TOTTENHAM YARD  arr 23:30


I dont know if the Toolamba-Echuca line has been re-open again as yet tho???????
  574M White Guru

Location: Shepparton
There are photgraphs of the first train over that track in the Echuca-Toolamba thread in this forum.
  hally Train Controller

Location: Splitting the Eaton up into 18th
Yes, it went up there last night rostered with G511 - X42 - X44. It was actully splitting half the train at Shepparton, G511 to take the Tocumwal half and X42 take the other half to Dookie to load and return as 9359/9360, then attach back at Shepparton with the loading ex Tocumwal for Mlebourne.
"another gunzel"


Why do the block grainies get such horsepower, when ussually they are only a 40 wagon rake..? The nightime freights are much longer and heavier, and generally have less horsepower. This is eveident when i see it go past my house. Usually the graines are doing 70km/h plus (G+XR), where as the freights are mashed in 8th doing about 45 struggeling up to a bit over 60km/h?
  csyjunior Chief Commissioner

cause grain have all the good locos and General Freight get the sh#t less horse powered locos hence your Ps
  Brewza Locomotive Fireman

Location: Shepparton, Victoria
Slightly off-topic here.
I know that the Dookie line works on an as-required basis, so what is the most predictable time to try and see a train on the line? Or are operations on the line occuring on an unpredictable basis where running times are not officialy timetabled?

I'm asking because i'd love to get some video footage along that piece of track....
  csyjunior Chief Commissioner

Trains along this line are seasonal.They have a timetable of course and unless you know when they are going to put one on your camera battery might get pretty flat waiting Very Happy
  hally Train Controller

Location: Splitting the Eaton up into 18th
How many trains run out to Dookie each year? It must be a few, because back in the 90's the fully ballasted the line.
On a similar topic, i wonder how long it will be till one ends up in the dirt on the toolamba echuca line. 2 trains a day with a line supported by dirt and crushed rock.....?

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