Shell suspends rail loading

 
  alcoholic Beginner

Location: Shepparton
On Friday Nov 10th Shell Geelong suspended all rail loading activities for an indefinite period due to concerns regarding potential falls within the gantry while loading is taking place. Although  the gantry has gangways and platforms it was identified during a recent Shell global health and safety audit that the system in place was inadequate therefore shutting it down, affecting rail deliveries to Shepparton and Mildura. We load up to 55 rail cars per week at the facility with at least 40 to Shepparton and 15 to Mildura weekly. Supplies will be sourced from Newport, Birkenhead and Clyde by road until the issue is resolved which could take up to 8 weeks to complete.
Mark Thomson
Shell Logistics
Shepparton

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  ninthnotch Dr Beeching

Location: Not here. Try another castle.
Thanks for posting that, Mark.
  574M White Guru

Location: Shepparton
That will make a really quiet day up here in Shep, without the Dookie Oiler ...

hmmmm, hope it gets fixed up quickly...
  bingley hall Minister for Railways

Location: Last train to Skaville
I wonder of anyone did a risk management excercise on the potential chain of responsibility risks from the additional road tankers on the road vs the potential risk of a fall while loading is taking place. Question

Bing
  duttonbay Minister for Railways

I wonder of anyone did a risk management excercise on the potential chain of responsibility risks from the additional road tankers on the road vs the potential risk of a fall while loading is taking place. Question

Bing
"bingley hall"

Why would you? That's not Shell's concern at all....
  Riccardo Minister for Railways

Location: Gone. Don't bother PMing here.
I wonder of anyone did a risk management excercise on the potential chain of responsibility risks from the additional road tankers on the road vs the potential risk of a fall while loading is taking place. Question

Bing
"bingley hall"

Why would you? That's not Shell's concern at all....
"duttonbay"


No, but is it the Man in the Chair's concern?



If not, why not?

That said, I hope Shell's desire to get it back in 8 weeks is reassuring
  wolfpac Minister for Railways

Location: Over here...
I wonder of anyone did a risk management excercise on the potential chain of responsibility risks from the additional road tankers on the road vs the potential risk of a fall while loading is taking place. Question

Bing
"bingley hall"

Why would you? That's not Shell's concern at all....
"duttonbay"


Considering there'd be potentially 15 extra trucks on the road to Mildura and probably 40 more trucks to Shepparton, that's a lot of trucks out and about. Not to mention inefficient...

Wolfpac
  Mickelaar The Ghost of George Stephenson

Location: At the layout, tinkering.
I wonder how long it will take shell head office that this move will cost them an extra $20 in fuel costs in shipping the fuel, and raise fuel costs but 18 cpl? Razz
  wolfpac Minister for Railways

Location: Over here...
No doubt the prices will start creeping back up again...  Rolling Eyes

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  Mickelaar The Ghost of George Stephenson

Location: At the layout, tinkering.
No doubt the prices will start creeping back up again...  Rolling Eyes

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"wolfpac"
Last spike was 118.9, same as the week before. So far so good Very Happy
  mjja Sir Nigel Gresley

Location: Mount Waverley, Melbourne
"Suspends" - is that temporarily or permanently? Or theoretically temporarily but practically permanently?
  wolfpac Minister for Railways

Location: Over here...
Last spike was 118.9, same as the week before. So far so good Very Happy
"mickelaar"


True, and it's always better than the 149.9 or so we were paying... At least now it's more viable to use Optimax Extreme.

In any case, it would make sense for them to do the OH&S work ASAP to get the trucks off the road and move the oil/petrol etc in trains.

Wolfpac
  Dreadnought Assistant Commissioner

Location: Oooh, look! [Pointing upwards] An eagle!!
Remember that Shell is both a customer of, and a supplier to, PacNat...
Both are probably keen to get fuels back to rail ASAP.
Cheers,
Dreadnought.
  wongm GEEWONG

Location: Geelong, Victoria
I'm hoping that the oil loading heads back to rail - the shunt moves out to the Corio refinery from North Geelong are something different. Smile

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Is this shunt the only time that Y classes are allowed out on the main line? IIRC they wern't allowed out on the main, but the various works trains in Melbourne seem to have changed that.
  ashbeer Assistant Commissioner

Is this shunt the only time that Y classes are allowed out on the main line? IIRC they wern't allowed out on the main, but the various works trains in Melbourne seem to have changed that.
"wongm"
Y's normally do all the oil and log shunting in Geelong (Corio/Nth Shore) And And they do regular transfers on the main lines too.
  A no 1 Chief Commissioner

Location: I see a Seagoon
The Shell Oil Company put Safety as a No 1 in there refinery
the suspension of loading rail wagons must have some OH&S concerns
They wiil go back to filling rail wagons but not until their OH&S is 100%
  duttonbay Minister for Railways

The Shell Oil Company put Safety as a No 1 in there refinery
the suspension of loading rail wagons must have some OH&S concerns
They wiil go back to filling rail wagons but not until their OH&S is 100%
"A no 1"

Yes, Safety should be No. 1.  But people are asking about the safety aspect of all those extra tankers on our public roads.  I suspect that the probability of an accident involving a road tanker is likely to be higher than an accident involving loading the rail tankers.
  A no 1 Chief Commissioner

Location: I see a Seagoon
I aggree but it's only temporery
  wongm GEEWONG

Location: Geelong, Victoria
I went past Shell Corio today - it seems like they have resumed loading rail tanks, as there were takers under the filling equipment. They might have been sitting there since the shutdown, and I didn't notice...  Confused
  ashbeer Assistant Commissioner

I went past Shell Corio today - it seems like they have resumed loading rail tanks, as there were takers under the filling equipment. They might have been sitting there since the shutdown, and I didn't notice...  Confused
"wongm"
Yeh, i saw them too Thursday. Not sure how long they've been there.
  hally Train Controller

Location: Splitting the Eaton up into 18th
The Shell Oil Company put Safety as a No 1 in there refinery
the suspension of loading rail wagons must have some OH&S concerns
They wiil go back to filling rail wagons but not until their OH&S is 100%
"A no 1"

Yes, Safety should be No. 1.  But people are asking about the safety aspect of all those extra tankers on our public roads.  I suspect that the probability of an accident involving a road tanker is likely to be higher than an accident involving loading the rail tankers.
"duttonbay"


Lets take our hand off it for a minute hey.... Sorry Duttonbay your not the only one who has made the comment about increased tankers on the roads, your just the first one up the page to quote.

40 trucks from Melbourne to Shepparton a week is next to nothing. The potential risk increase while it is a factor is also minimal. I have a feeling many people here dont grasp the volume of goods moved in this country by road. Iam no supporter of road transport (however where i work we are big users of it, more than 40 return trucks a week every week down the hume alone). And the reason for this, as ive said before is the fact that the Mooroopna Melbourne service is too slow. And when we moved from rail to road there was NO risk assesment just a price assesment! Money and time talk!

Anyway
Could anyone here bring to light the reason for the mobil depo and BP depos closing in shepparton a few years ago? Both these sites are heavily polluted, (as the Shell site would be too) but it would have kept another 60 or more trucks off the road. If we add the 60 from those two plus 40 up at shell were getting somewhere near a figure where the risks start to increase, along with road wear.
  574M White Guru

Location: Shepparton

Anyway
Could anyone here bring to light the reason for the mobil depo and BP depos closing in shepparton a few years ago? Both these sites are heavily polluted, (as the Shell site would be too) but it would have kept another 60 or more trucks off the road. If we add the 60 from those two plus 40 up at shell were getting somewhere near a figure where the risks start to increase, along with road wear.
"hally"


I noticed the other day that the taxi depot has been moved from that site as well. Must be well and truly polluted. Wonder if Pizza Hut is polluted also?
  alcoholic Beginner

Location: Shepparton
At this stage the RTC's at Corio would are in place to access the changes required to faciliate modifications to the gantry, We have just emptied the last 2 rail cars based in shepp which we held as emergency stock, the road carriers are not keeping up!! given they are committed to their regular work and then have this additional work dumped on them. The other depots in Shepparton closed for a number of reasons mainly for competitive and enviormental. There is some good news on the horizon Shell is committed to provide additional storage at the Shepparton depot to enable our southern NSW counterparts to commence loading from the Shepp depot, 24/7 within the new year. This additional volume will still be delivered by rail once the Geelong loading gantry is modified.
  hally Train Controller

Location: Splitting the Eaton up into 18th

I noticed the other day that the taxi depot has been moved from that site as well. Must be well and truly polluted. Wonder if Pizza Hut is polluted also?
"574M"


Pizza hut... Not a doubt in my mind. Id be guessin that the very top aquifer is heavly polluted with a range of aromatic hydrocarbons from old school petrol, as well as the soil. Heavy metals may also be a problem. Depending on the hydrulic gradient the groundwater may feed into the lake across the road causing pollution in there too.
Either way site remediation is one extreemly expensive excersie and it will be interesting to see it take place at that location.... if someone comes up with the cash.
  John of Melbourne The Ghost of George Stephenson

Location: Melbourne suburbs
The Shell Oil Company put Safety as a No 1 in there refinery
the suspension of loading rail wagons must have some OH&S concerns
They wiil go back to filling rail wagons but not until their OH&S is 100%
"A no 1"

Yes, Safety should be No. 1.  But people are asking about the safety aspect of all those extra tankers on our public roads.  I suspect that the probability of an accident involving a road tanker is likely to be higher than an accident involving loading the rail tankers.
"duttonbay"

Lets take our hand off it for a minute hey.... Sorry Duttonbay your not the only one who has made the comment about increased tankers on the roads, your just the first one up the page to quote.

40 trucks from Melbourne to Shepparton a week is next to nothing. The potential risk increase while it is a factor is also minimal. I have a feeling many people here dont grasp the volume of goods moved in this country by road.
"hally"
Perhaps, but many people also don't grasp how much safer rail is than road, which was the point of his comment.

And when we moved from rail to road there was NO risk assesment just a price assesment! Money and time talk!
"hally"
I suspect that the same applies to government projects—there's no assessment of the relative risks of building roads over building railway lines.  The road lobby often touts the safety advantages of freeways, but they are comparing them to other roads, not to railways.  If the safety advantage of railways was compared to freeways, I wonder how safe the freeways would look then?

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