The comedy of eBay in the HO section. Part 1

 
  Thumpa Chief Train Controller

Location: That's on a need to know basis.
For those of you like myself who look through eBay ever couple of days looking for those model railway bargins [and others] will know what I'm talking about next.
Now two sellers on eBay [who will remain nameless] have come to my attention selling their wears at some ridiculous prices for some of their items the last couple of weeks, call it highway robbery if you will but, it seems competition has got the better of them both and a price war has started for these particulr items.
What starting to tickle my funny bone is the sub headings under the eBay ad listings.
"Buy from a Trusted ********** Dealer All Items in stock"
"Buy from a trusted dealer who obviously CARES!
"Buy from a trusted dealer who really CARES! New in box! "
"Why buy anywhere else? *** - Respected~Honest~Trusted"
These are just  a few of whats been listed and I look forward to more of them as it is a great laugh.
What's really making me laugh is the producer of these particular models that they are both selling is interested in selling online with eBay aswell so what happens then and where did all your potential profits go? [In the beginning there was a mark up of up to 38% on a retail item you've got to be joking PLUS POSTAGE, who's going to pay that price except a fool?]
The big question is what are you going to do with all the models you purchased to sell on eBay when the producer can under cut your prices and you can only sell to lose?
Only thing I can think of is bragging rights to biggest collections of guard vans between you both Well Done


Greed will get the better of some of us one day.....


Thumpa.

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  Chipps Chief Train Controller

Location: NSW
What starting to tickle my funny bone is the sub headings under the eBay ad listings.


And....

Trusted Dealer TrainOrama DOES NOT AUTHORISE RESELLERS!


Huh ????
  Maikha Moderator Not a gunzel

The Grander of the two is a knob. I have two friends (Both don't know each other) who have purchased items from this chap, and have got nothing in return  Evil or Very Mad

Relevant complaints and that have been filed, but I believe little progress yet.
  sandown Chief Commissioner

Location: sydney
Funny thing, when I was in Tom's last I watched a guy getting served who was buying multiple brakevans from his own list.

The interesting observation was he showed little or no interest in the model itself simply the number. It was like he was trying to fill an order.

That led me to ponder whether he was replacing item's he had sold on eBay or was forfilling outstanding orders.

So I thought, what if you sold something on eBay from a picture you had of an older item but didn't physically own at the time of listing and then after the auction concluded and you went to buy that piece and it was no longer available from the retailer ? What are the ramifications of a powerseller not being able to supply ? What proof is there that the vendor owns the stock at time of listing ?

sandown.
  biqua Paper Tiger

Location: Under a rock
I have purchased from one of them, thinking at the time I was getting a good deal, and to be honest they gave me good service - I later found I could have gotten cheaper elsewhere, but that was my lack of thinking that got me in that situation (buying parts to make a whole, instead of just buying the whole). Looking back their prices were fair considering I was buying seperate parts ...

Some of their other prices are crazy though - as always with ebay, buyer beware.
  Aaron The Ghost of George Stephenson

Location: University of Adelaide SA
So I thought, what if you sold something on eBay from a picture you had of an older item but didn't physically own at the time of listing and then after the auction concluded and you went to buy that piece and it was no longer available from the retailer ? What are the ramifications of a powerseller not being able to supply ? What proof is there that the vendor owns the stock at time of listing ?
"sandown"


Ah the long lost (I thought) art of the short sell is coming back. Very Happy A trick often used by old timer stock marketers to make money on a falling market or business, unfortunately an activity now outlawed.

The old school used to say "He who sells what he does not own must buy it back, or go to gaol"

Sadly proof an object's existance for the purposes of eBay is not required. Of course, for proof of an item existing today you could do worse than terrorist negotiator's request of a photo of the object featuring today's paper! - Simple, and always worth a try! (Does not mean the article is actually going to get to post though...)
  biqua Paper Tiger

Location: Under a rock
Ah the long lost (I thought) art of the short sell is coming back. Very Happy A trick often used by old timer stock marketers to make money on a falling market or business, unfortunately an activity now outlawed.
"Aaron"

Outlawed? The ASX don't seem to mind, even if their rules imply otherwise (I say imply, as it's a grey area in the rules).
  QR-INTERAIL Deputy Commissioner

Location: Where else, but Queensland
As already been mentioned here and elsewhere that the original suppliers i.e Austrains, TrainOrama have hinted that they may sell on eBay, by doing that, they will put the eBay sharks out of business. Smile

Another thought is if the supplier gets ridiculers (i.e. quanity of same item) repeat orders from one or two particular "customers" or conducts themselves in the manner sandown describe by a "customer" at Toms that they actual limit there purchases to normal retail quantities.

That way the real modeler out there has the opportunity of purchasing a model direct from the original retailer without busting their gut. The proof in the pudding will be how many sold out Austrains CLP's will appear on eBay by those particular eBay "sellers"!
  gw0071 Deputy Commissioner

Tom's Hobbies still have Austrain S Trucks for sale at $8ea.

The L Truck version at $5ea has sold out.

ebay buyers beware indeed.
  DD-19 Chief Train Controller

As already been mentioned here and elsewhere that the original suppliers i.e Austrains, TrainOrama have hinted that they may sell on eBay, by doing that, they will put the eBay sharks out of business. Smile
"QR-INTERAIL"


If they are talking together and attempt that are playing a dangerous game, and the danger is not the eBay sharks.
  Albert Chief Commissioner

A few mass sellings of BCH wagons. I wonder why?  Very Happy
  allan Chief Commissioner

The cat's been let loose among the sparrows... duy.ngu( 5 ) is now listing on behalf of Tom's! I figure that he is the authorised ebay seller!!!
  gw0071 Deputy Commissioner

The quantities available for sale are GRAND!

I'm sure his feedback score is about to soar.
  R 761 Chief Commissioner

Location: In A House At My Computer
Well things can be a joke on Ebay. I seen rollingstock go way over priced.
Number 1, what caused this. people are bidding far too early for the item
Number 2/ people are placing bids with large amounts of money.

I been dealing with Ebay for a few years now and I know the game.

A nice freindly tip for Railpage users out there there are tricks out there to get items cheap and a fair price on Ebay.
Number 1, watch the item in your my ebay list.
Number 2, don,t bid too early
Number 3, place your bid in the last dieing seconds
Number 4, use buy it now if its avail.

So You train models collector like myself have fun Ebaying
  Albert Chief Commissioner

Wise advice R761.

Bidding early only increases the amount you end up paying.

Let the other bloke think he's won the item instead of a bidding war jacking up the price.
  jd4980 Chief Commissioner

Location: Grafton
Having just picked myself up off the floor laughing over those last 2 posts i feel i should comment further. The prices on Ebay while quite often ridiculous i feel reflects the modelers desire to see what they are buying, you know, way back when there were real hobby shops fulfilling this need, you could wander down to your local hobby shop and have a look at stuff before handing over your cash. While this thread seems specifically about traino and austrains, who like others have websites and mail order, it isn't always the case that websites both importers/manufacturers/shops list and include photographs of the whole range. Lets face it, how many multi purpose hobby shops are there Australia wide outside major metro area's ?

Back to the last 2 posts, yes maybe some people get caught up in a bidding war but i won't be convinced someone that is willing to pay $90 for an item at midday, suddenly by midnight are ready to hand over the keys to their car for the same item and thats the root of inflated prices. Where does your theory lie in regards to a dozen or so people applying this principal to an auction.........high end price maybe.
  Albert Chief Commissioner

It's not a solution to inflated prices, nor a sure fire way to win. It's a tip that does have yourself jacking up the price if you want the item.
  jd4980 Chief Commissioner

Location: Grafton
At the end of the day, with the exception of Buy It now sales and single bids, high prices are the result of 2 people or more silly enough to pay too much, in the opinion of some, for an item. So i really can't see how the end price would be effected one way or another by when you bid on the item. Early bidding whilst rational of mind, then forgetting about it till it ends, would IMHO be the best way of keeping prices sensible rather then the must win attitude in the dying seconds, where "another $20 will get it" scenario quickly blows out into a huge end price and despite willfully and knowingly doing so, you've finished up paying way more then you really wanted to or felt the item was worth.
  Pimmy Train Controller

Location: Blue & Gold Territory
G'Day All;
I've been watching and reading this thread for a while now and think it's about time I put my 1 cent worth in.

I have been buying and selling on E-Bay for sometime now (mainly model trains).
The buying side of the fence I tend to look at the item. Then how much to buy the item. What I would have to invest in time, if brought as a kit. Then the products to build the kit. On the end I add, "What if I stuff it up"?
Another important part here is knowing what final price.

In regards to selling I put an honest description along with photos. It's then up to the buyer to asses what they will pay. I need to cover the build costs so I start the bidding at that price.

Then you've got the mega buyers who buy up big just to sell on E-Bay. There's only a market whilst people are buying the items. So it's up to the buyers wether they buy at that price or the seller may have to lower the price to gid rid of the stock.

It's probably been said before, but know your final price and don't go over it.
  Albert Chief Commissioner

At the end of the day, with the exception of Buy It now sales and single bids, high prices are the result of 2 people or more silly enough to pay too much, in the opinion of some, for an item. So i really can't see how the end price would be effected one way or another by when you bid on the item. Early bidding whilst rational of mind, then forgetting about it till it ends, would IMHO be the best way of keeping prices sensible rather then the must win attitude in the dying seconds, where "another $20 will get it" scenario quickly blows out into a huge end price and despite willfully and knowingly doing so, you've finished up paying way more then you really wanted to or felt the item was worth.
"jd4980"


For me it doesn't work that way. I set a limit regardless of remaining time left. If it exceeds that limit I let it go. If not I bid and try my luck. if I come out on top the opposition doesn't have time to respond.
  allan Chief Commissioner

Before you set yourself a limit, have a look to see if the same item is available elsewhere: many of the more expensive vehicles and vehicle kits are listed at twice what Walthers charges, and Walthers are not the cheapest in the market.

If I sell on ebay, I always list at 99c, and let the buyers set the prices: I've never been disappointed, yet!
  44214 Junior Train Controller

Location: Exotic Ballarat
thats mighty good advice!!
  gw0071 Deputy Commissioner

A bargain is relative to the buyer. I don't see many bargains on ebay in this category these days.
  allan Chief Commissioner

It's hardly surprising that bargains are scarce - if ever there was a seller's market, this is it! Australian trains will all sell, unless listed at really absurd starting prices (and sometimes then).

There are bargains to be had in European trains, if that is to your taste, as that is a buyer's market, with more listed than there are buyers to purchase. Typically, in the last year, I have been buying for less than a quarter of retail price, and a lot has not sold at that price.

Once we get into the new year, some of the "non-dealers" will start to list their surplus models. Then you might find a few bargains, as long as you are not looking for the same things as everyone else...
  OldShutterbug Station Staff

Location: Brisbane
I have five model railway shops within 40 minuits of my home in Brisbane so I do my shopping with them, have picked up a bargain on ebay from time to time but have lost interest, to many ebay stores filling the list these days, just cant be bothered any more.

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