YVR - Yarra Valley Railway

 
  Valvegear Dr Beeching

Location: Norda Fittazroy

BP4417, I endorse everything you have said about water treatment and boiler storage.

I have had to fight the unbelievers in one steam preservation group. I mixed my treatment chemicals so that dosing was easy. One litre of my mixture to every 1000 gallons of water. I reckoned it couldn't have been easier.  But no; a couple of know alls told everyone that another mob didn't use anywhere near that much. This, of course, was not true; they just did it differently They added two different chemicals neat; mine were both dissolved into one solution.  The end result was that the work of a Chemical Engineer with an Open Boiler Ticket was ignored, and the the loud mouths won (because I couldn't be there all the time to check the dosing ).
Some time later, the loco blew a flue tube and failed.  Inspection showed an obvious lack of correct treatment, and the Boiler Inspector hit the roof.
It's an expensive and time/labour consuming way to learn.

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  Thunda Junior Train Controller

From the comments here and previous times I've been discussing boiler treatment, it appears to be more of an issue in established steam groups who might see it as 'snake oil' or the 'but that's the way we've always done it' arguments come out. As a group effectively starting from scratch with steam the aim will be to instil a culture of doing it right, which under the iron fist of Adam's rule as Mech branch manager I'm sure will be achieved..... Wink Certainly with the fact that I'm still finding black soot on me today, 5 days and 6 showers after pulling the main internal out, I do NOT want to do that again any time soon. (or to be pulling out any of the flues/tubes any sooner than is absolutely necessary)
  jt393 Assistant Commissioner

Location: los jinetes enmascarados' clubhouse
[/url] J516 belching smoke and steam on Friday night...


This is the photo I was referring to about J516's future, but that was taken 3 years ago.

I thought that the restoration began around that time but in May 2012, still in the same condition.

JT



  Graham4405 Minister for Railways

Location: Dalby Qld
J 516 on 12/03/2010


  Thunda Junior Train Controller

We did make a start on further dismantling however other tasks gained priority over J516. The need to get 1BW and now 34BW servicable asap has meant we don't have the man power currently spare to continue at this time. It will need to be started again once J541 is up and running in service as long term we'll need another loco ready for the time that J541 is next going to be due for a major overhaul. In the background the sourcing of the missing parts does still go on, as a large amount of the non ferrous fittings were stolen many years ago. The missing pipe work can be remade but it's the items like the safety valves and specialist fittings that are a little harder to come by.
  LowndesJ515 #TeamRog

Location: Not in Victoria
Was great to see so many people last night at Newport working on J541 and many people from different groups which was really good to see. Steamrail, Puffing Billy and Yarra Valley volunteers all working together to get 541 running again.

If there was another group of volunteers there, please let us know.

Preservation is still strong in Victorian with everyone working together!
  Valvegear Dr Beeching

Location: Norda Fittazroy
I agree wholeheartedly with LowndesJ515. 

This is preservation as it should be, with everyone working towards a common goal. In years past, the various groups hardly had time to be civil to each other, so this is real progress.

Well done, everybody.
  Graham4405 Minister for Railways

Location: Dalby Qld
I agree wholeheartedly with LowndesJ515. 

This is preservation as it should be, with everyone working towards a common goal. In years past, the various groups hardly had time to be civil to each other, so this is real progress.

Well done, everybody.
"Valvegear"


That is excellent to hear. Let's hope this becomes the norm rather than a special case!
  jt393 Assistant Commissioner

Location: los jinetes enmascarados' clubhouse
It's not often that everyone from different groups come together and work on one engine.

Preservation is going strong in the state of Victoria, let's hope it stays that way forever and that goes for every state in Australia.

We love to keep the word "PRESERVATION" strong, after what LowndesJ515 said about everyone who love railways coming together to work on J541.  

Good Hopes.

JT
  perks Chief Train Controller

Location: Sunny Vic
Was great to see so many people last night at Newport working on J541 and many people from different groups which was really good to see. Steamrail, Puffing Billy and Yarra Valley volunteers all working together to get 541 running again.

If there was another group of volunteers there, please let us know.

Preservation is still strong in Victorian with everyone working together!
"LowndesJ515"


Would have been more down there, however as is the way of the gods, one of the workshop doors broke its hinges. So i spent the night practicing my upwards vertical butt welds instead of getting black....

 
  henty_302 Junior Train Controller

Location: On the footplate, or in the workshop.
Was wondering where you got to perks! The Morteaser told me today he broke it!

Was a great effort from all concerned. It's not only good to see so many groups represented (one lowndesj515 may not have been aware of was Alexandra timber tramway were also there) but also the number of trades people and professions. Several fitters, drivers, a lawyer, signals and communications specialist, diesel mechanic, small business owners, all up a fantastic cross section of the skills present in our organisations.

As for the work achieved - all motion was removed and has been started to be cleaned and polished, the compressor has been removed for overhaul, most external pipe work has been removed, along with electrical conduits to enable the cladding to be removed to inspect the boiler shell and enable repairs to the rust holes in the cladding (yes holes there too!) The dome lid was re-installed, header mounting blanked and regulator stuffing box blanked to enable a hydro to be carried out in the coming weeks.

An awesome effort all round, more to come next week!

Cheers

Adam
  W250 Train Controller

Location: Horsham, VIC.
I agree 100% with LowndesJ515!


Well done people, thats great, all working together!  

SmileWink  8)

Cheers Mark
  VBAndy Chief Commissioner

I think its great you guys are working hard at it, and that you're willing to keep us gunzels informed. So thanks to Adam and Co from YVR, might be time to make a donation!
  BP4417 Deputy Commissioner

Location: Launceston, Tasmania


 Boiler Water Treatment.

It is possible to obtain low voltage and or mechanical boiler water treatment dosing pumps.
The low voltage pumps can be operated from a sealed gell battery (s) charged by the turbo generator through a voltage regulator.
What dosing a boiler means using an industry standard chemical dosing pump is the consistent measured amount amount of boiler water treatment chemicals that can be injected  into the boilers water stream no matter what the steam load.
These pumps can easily be operated between steaming days to raise the reserves of boiler water treatment chemicals within the boiler.
The real beauty of this type of pump is that it "idiot proofs" the dosing of Steam Locomotive Boilers with boiler water treatment chemicals.
  Valvegear Dr Beeching

Location: Norda Fittazroy
Quite so BP4417; there are plenty of dosing or metering pumps available.
 
When the loco is alight and steaming, there should be no problem with a power supply to the dosing pump. However, if the boiler is stored wet, someone still has to go and fire up the pump from time to time, using whatever power supply has been chosen.  It also means that the chemical treatment has to be dissolved into one solution (see my earlier post ), and a dosing rate calculated. Then the operator has to ensure that he runs the pump for the right amount of time. As one who has worked in the pump industry for 43 years, I have often wished to invent the "operator-proof pump." Unfortunately, it hasn't been done.

In the method you suggest, we only need one clown to run the pump without opening the valve between the supply reservoir and the pump and we get (a) no boiler treatment and (b) one pump running dry. The latter is not a huge problem if it's a diaphragm pump, but big trouble if it's a piston or plunger or progressing cavity pump. The same happens when said clown forgets to check that there's enough mixture in the supply tank.
Remember, we do have clowns in preservation groups; an instance comes to mind of one using a hose to put out a fire instead of dropping it .

It also needs to be remembered that this pump could get pretty hot when the loco is steaming. A lot of cheaper DC motors don't like elevated temperatures. There are some that would be OK which work on 12 V DC ( I put them on to works Ford Falcon racing engines in the days when dry sumps were not allowed), but they weren't cheap the last time I looked.
 
Unfortunately I can't agree that the dosing pump "idiot-proofs" the process.
  steamfreak Assistant Commissioner

Location: Wodonga, VIC
Quite so BP4417; there are plenty of dosing or metering pumps available.
"Valvegear"

One railway I visited had the dosing chemicals administered automatically at the water column.  The crews didn't need to worry about it as it was introduced to the water as they filled the tenders.  Can't recall how it was metered but there was electronic equipment in the chemical shed to do this.  There were two different barrels of chemical, each administered in different ratios from memory.

We used to use a soluble chemical brick on our steam locos.  The filler hatch had a grate inside it, and we'd chuck a brick in as we filled the tender and it would dissolve pretty quickly.  As we only used to run to a small number of destinations, we had a list of how many bricks were required at each end, or at intermediate water stops.  Apparently the internal boiler surfaces were kept in quite good condition.  One of our members was a water chemist on the railways in the days, so he figured out the treatment regimes.


  Thunda Junior Train Controller

1 J class (oil burning) Mecanno Set.            1" to 1" scale.
Original packaging missing.....  Some assembly and painting required. Suitable for all ages.
(***batteries not included***)



Work on J541 is coming along well. The motion has been removed and is being cleaned/inspected. And the boiler cladding/lagging is also now off for repairs and further boiler inspections. And if the guys from Maldon would like their screw driver back, your more than welcome to come and grab it. Unfortunately having been left next to the turrets on top of the boiler for a while, the handle has melted....








  pheonics The Gardener

Location: Meal room with a hot cuppa
Went up to Healesville last Sunday. Despite the poor weather I had a good day. Rode RM22 for a shuttle to Tunnel Hill and return then photographed the last 3 shuttles. I was kindly allowed to look in the workshops and I have to say I am astounded at the quality and restoration of the W cars in there. Well Done!

Here are some snaps. Video will come sometime this week.

http://www.flickr.com/photos/pheonics153/7419937506/

http://www.flickr.com/photos/pheonics153/7419937134/

http://www.flickr.com/photos/pheonics153/7419936526/

http://www.flickr.com/photos/pheonics153/7419933322/


Cheers
Dan
  Carnot Chief Commissioner

We happened to be at YVR last Sunday as well.  Here is a shot I took on my lo-fi Holga camera (it was seriously underexposed):


  Thunda Junior Train Controller

Found 5 mins for an update. Too much going on at the moment.

Track work is currently being carried out in Healesville Yard. A lot of point timers/sleepers being replaced. In addition the bases for signal cable wheels/quadrant levels are now concrete so we don't have to worry about rotten timber again!







And in the workshop 34BW's roof is 50% complete. It will be turned as soon at the mesh covers are on the windows and then the other side completed. All windows have been removed. The plan was to use the original frames/glass however too many were found to have plate glass. As such it's much cheaper/easier to make all new frames with the correct glass in them as the new glass is thicker than the old plate stuff so extensive work is required to make it fit in an old frame. (Also, when we ordered the glass for 1BW we actually got enough to do 3 complete BW's so it's sitting around ready) These will start being put together shortly. The outside is getting a sand back ready for the YVR carriage red to be applied so it matches 1BW.





Cheers, AL.


  A no 1 Chief Commissioner

Location: I see a Seagoon
I have spent the last  2 days at Newport finishing of the new superheater elements for R711.
I haven't noticed anyone working on J541?
Is it just a midweek project?
Some people asked me if I was making the elements for the J!
  perks Chief Train Controller

Location: Sunny Vic

I have spent the last  2 days at Newport finishing of the new superheater elements for R711.
I haven't noticed anyone working on J541?
Is it just a midweek project?
Some people asked me if I was making the elements for the J!

"A no 1"


Guys have had to dedicate their time to another task at the moment, work on the J will resume in the next few weeks. 

It is also a mainly midweek project. 
  Thunda Junior Train Controller

Couple of recent pics.

A recent donation to the railway is explosives van P1, which is pictured below on goods road at Healesville. It's in good condition and is a useful addition as it's covered/secure storage.



And a mess is being made at the up end of the yard. On the left is the location of the old stock siding/loading ramp at Healesville. This was a siding that left the main line between the last bridge and the level crossing. We're looking at relaying a section for storage of rolling stock which are not needed in the short term. (eg some of the dozen or so GY's that are floating around)



Cheers, AL.
  warzy7 Chief Train Controller

Looks nice & wet...

some of those photos of yard trackwork looks like it could get quite boggy

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