YVR - Yarra Valley Railway

 
  PalmerEldritch Say goodnight to the bad guy

Location: Princes Park, Carlton
Just repeating myself. Its so much easier to stay away from the "Big boys" on the mainline/metro line. You would save yourself so much time, effort and money for other more profitable ventures if you didnt go all the way to Lilydale.
"VBAndy"

You also remove the possibility of direct and easy access between electrified rail services and tourist railway operation, such as that which exists at Belgrave.

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  VBAndy Chief Commissioner

Something of which I see as a worthy sacrifice.
  Asoboy Locomotive Fireman

Location: Koo-Wee-Rup, waiting for a train...
This is a non-argument. The original YVTR got into financial trouble by running trains from the city, but this was likely due to the fact that they didn't own their own rolling stock or have their own crews, and they ran them too often. Crying or Very sad

The connection with Lilydale should of course be restored, but in due time, and the railway should resist the temptation to run trains for which there is no market. I suspect in the 70s there might have been 6 excursion trains a year or so - that would be enough for today too.
  Edith Chief Commissioner

Location: Line 1 from Porte de Vincennes bound for Bastille station
Lilydale is a good starting point, as not everyone wants to drive out to the sticks to ride on a train.  Puffing Billy does very well out of its connection with the Belgrave electric trains.

I see possibilities for a Railmotor from Lilydale heading up the Yarra Valley.  It is close to Melbourne and has some interesting tourist destinations close by.  Perhaps it could be coupled with winery tours, visits to Healesville Sanctuary, and special lunches.  

I rode on the Daylesford Spa Country Tourist railway last weekend.  I took the monthly "Silver Streak Champagne Tour" on the Saturday night (DRC) and then rode the Walker railmotor on Sunday.  Both were great experiences.  You do not need steam or narrow gauge to have fun !!  I stayed at the Station House B&B and would have liked to have slept in their old railway carriage (54BC, I think - but the numbers have been painted out).
  Ballast_Plough Chief Commissioner

Location: Lilydale, Vic
This is a non-argument. The original YVTR got into financial trouble by running trains from the city, but this was likely due to the fact that they didn't own their own rolling stock or have their own crews, and they ran them too often. Crying or Very sad
"Asoboy"


Just curious as to which time period that you're talking about? As far as I'm aware, once the VR railmotor service stopped, nothing else ran over the line except the odd diesel transfer.



I see possibilities for a Railmotor from Lilydale heading up the Yarra Valley. It is close to Melbourne and has some interesting tourist destinations close by. Perhaps it could be coupled with winery tours, visits to Healesville Sanctuary, and special lunches.
"Edith"



I've wondered how much poetic licence could be taken "if" the line between Lilydale - Yarra Glen is restored and instead of rebuilding Yering station (which has nothing but the airport nearby), what about a new Yering East station right beside the Chateau Yering winery?
  Asoboy Locomotive Fireman

Location: Koo-Wee-Rup, waiting for a train...
This is a non-argument. The original YVTR got into financial trouble by running trains from the city, but this was likely due to the fact that they didn't own their own rolling stock or have their own crews, and they ran them too often. Crying or Very sad
"Asoboy"


Just curious as to which time period that you're talking about? As far as I'm aware, once the VR railmotor service stopped, nothing else ran over the line except the odd diesel transfer.

"Ballast_Plough"


Since time immemorial they have used the Healesville line for excursions - the last run of the A2 in 1963 being a case in point. They stopped them shortly before the end in 1980 because the locos could no longer run around after a set of points at the down end was declared unsafe after a derailment. And of course freight ran until near the end.

Then the YVTR reopened the Lilydale-Yarra Glen section in 1985 and ran excursions from Melbourne at least monthly, but this line was unfit for traffic again by 1987.

The YVTR finally reopened Yarra Glen to Tarrawarra for a shuttle service (with the train coming down from Healesville to operate it) during 1989. But it was again unfit for traffic by the early 1990s.

So no, much more has run on the line than just a railmotor and occasional diesel transfers 8)
  Railfan9949 Chief Commissioner

Location: Somewhere between Gembrook to Healesville to Seymour to Maldon
Did I also forgot to mention the whole "mainline" from Lilydale to Healesville is heavy rail 80 pounds if I remember correctly..

So easily able to hold most broad guage locomotives even right up to a hummble "B" class locomotive..
  Ballast_Plough Chief Commissioner

Location: Lilydale, Vic
Did I also forgot to mention the whole "mainline" from Lilydale to Healesville is heavy rail 80 pounds if I remember correctly..

So easily able to hold most broad guage locomotives even right up to a hummble "B" class locomotive..
"Railfan9949"


Hehe - the rail might be 80 lb but the sleepers are balsa wood now!!!  Laughing
  Asoboy Locomotive Fireman

Location: Koo-Wee-Rup, waiting for a train...
Did I also forgot to mention the whole "mainline" from Lilydale to Healesville is heavy rail 80 pounds if I remember correctly..

So easily able to hold most broad guage locomotives even right up to a hummble "B" class locomotive..
"Railfan9949"


Hehe - the rail might be 80 lb but the sleepers are balsa wood now!!!  Laughing
"Ballast_Plough"


It did take B classes if I remember correctly - thru as a substitute for electric multiple unit haulage
  d3_639 Deputy Commissioner

Did I also forgot to mention the whole "mainline" from Lilydale to Healesville is heavy rail 80 pounds if I remember correctly..

So easily able to hold most broad guage locomotives even right up to a hummble "B" class locomotive..
"Railfan9949"


Interesting you say that, B75 might be on the cards then? http://www.yarravalleyrailway.org.au/images/gallery/engines/050923B75a.jpg

Another one for the list? Laughing
  R704 Chief Commissioner

Location: Who cares you ain't gonna visit!
i don't know when but i herd that h'ville was the only branchline that could take an R class. is this a case of  bull manure or is there something behind that statement?? Confused
  Railfan9949 Chief Commissioner

Location: Somewhere between Gembrook to Healesville to Seymour to Maldon
Interesting you say that, B75 might be on the cards then? http://www.yarravalleyrailway.org.au/images/gallery/engines/050923B75a.jpg

Another one for the list? Laughing
"d3_639"


I better let one of the owners of this locomotive answer this question..
For the record it is not owned by YVR, it is a privately owned locomotive, with YVR connections so to speak..
  R704 Chief Commissioner

Location: Who cares you ain't gonna visit!
to the best of my knowledge two of the part owners of b75 are rm22 and another guy on the yvr comity

(damn that was a fun day)
  Railfan9949 Chief Commissioner

Location: Somewhere between Gembrook to Healesville to Seymour to Maldon
i don't know when but i herd that h'ville was the only branchline that could take an R class. is this a case of  bull manure or is there something behind that statement?? Confused
"R704"


If it can hold a B class which it's total mass is approx 114t and history has shown the track will hold this locomotive no sweat (i'm not including the load it was carrying at the time)

R class.. ummm I don't know as the R's total mass including tender in working order, comes to approx 186t, so I don't know.. you'll be pushing it..

Speaking of which a "S" class (diesel one) a "mainline" locomotive comes in at 116t so i'm pretty sure an S class would be another welcomed visitor..

Lets not forget the diesel "X" class which weight is the same as a B class.. hint hint..

All numbers are taken from the book "Power Parade" By VicRail..
  d3_639 Deputy Commissioner

Don't worry about that so much Ivan but if you can find out what the loco's axle loads are that would be more helpful?
  K160 Minister for Railways

Location: Bendigo
i don't know when but i herd that h'ville was the only branchline that could take an R class. is this a case of  bull manure or is there something behind that statement?? Confused
"R704"


The Mansfield line from Tallarook to Yea could take an R-class. R706 ran there with D3 639 in the mid-60s. B's also made it that far.

The other branchline was Wonthaggi, but I can only recall it running A2s and Bs.  Confused
  BJ Titsengolf That's Numberwang!

Location: Right here, right now, right here, right now...
i don't know when but i herd that h'ville was the only branchline that could take an R class. is this a case of  bull manure or is there something behind that statement?? Confused
"R704"


If it can hold a B class which it's total mass is approx 114t and history has shown the track will hold this locomotive no sweat (i'm not including the load it was carrying at the time)

R class.. ummm I don't know as the R's total mass including tender in working order, comes to approx 186t, so I don't know.. you'll be pushing it..

Speaking of which a "S" class (diesel one) a "mainline" locomotive comes in at 116t so i'm pretty sure an S class would be another welcomed visitor..

Lets not forget the diesel "X" class which weight is the same as a B class.. hint hint..

All numbers are taken from the book "Power Parade" By VicRail..
"Railfan9949"


Two points. There's a difference between axle loading and span loading. I think i've pointed this out a few times.

Second point is that unless you do the line up to full mainline standard, i wouldn't bother trying to run either a B or an R to Healesville. All they will do is increase the track maintenance bill. Technically an R should be able to operate between Nyora and Leongatha but the reality is somewhat different.
  ninthnotch Dr Beeching

Location: Not here. Try another castle.
Quite a few branchlines took mainline locomotives in the 1980's. Tallarook-Yea took B66 and the occasional X.  B65 ran the last freight to Coldstream.  

As well, not that many trains ran through from Yarra Glen - I posted a 1986 Newsrail article on it.
  toxation Chief Commissioner

Location: Cobram, Victoria
Quite a few branchlines took mainline locomotives in the 1980's. Tallarook-Yea took B66 and the occasional X.  B65 ran the last freight to Coldstream.  
"ninthnotch"


Passenger trains to Cobram were operated by B and A locos, with the occasional back to back S classes.

Even an R class visited Cobram in the late 1990s.
  ninthnotch Dr Beeching

Location: Not here. Try another castle.
Quite a few branchlines took mainline locomotives in the 1980's. Tallarook-Yea took B66 and the occasional X.  B65 ran the last freight to Coldstream.  
"ninthnotch"


Passenger trains to Cobram were operated by B and A locos, with the occasional back to back S classes.

Even an R class visited Cobram in the late 1990s.
"toxation"
The track has been strengthened significantly on all branch lines still extant in the 1990's; few lines are even restricted to G/XR's.

Ultimately though - if Yarra Valley get running to Lilydale, if the line is J/K/D3 and lighter, no big loss.
  hansonator Chief Commissioner

Location: Strathmore, Victoria
Oh, so all those blackberrie bushes about 1.5 metres high on the down end of Yarra Glen are gone Very Happy  Now, lets hope they don't come back
  Capegauge Chief Train Controller


Speaking of which a "S" class (diesel one) a "mainline" locomotive comes in at 116t so i'm pretty sure an S class would be another welcomed visitor..
"Railfan9949"

That needs a turntable, hopefully it will fit on the Healesville one Smile
  perks Chief Train Controller

Location: Sunny Vic
Blackberrys have all been sprayed, give me time, it will look like a railway again
  Railfan9949 Chief Commissioner

Location: Somewhere between Gembrook to Healesville to Seymour to Maldon
That needs a turntable, hopefully it will fit on the Healesville one Smile
"Capegauge"


Well the turntables at Dynon are 70' long and can turn all operational locomotives.. including "S" class locomotives..

The turntable at Healesville is also 70' long and i'm sure it will have no trouble fitting an S class... the real issue the axle loading ect. ect. ect.
  d3_639 Deputy Commissioner

How things have changed so quickly, it wasn't long ago that YVTR was being compaired to the likes of Dorrigo. Now they complete their first locomotive restoration and we are already talking about R's running right through from Lilydale to Healesville.

Great things are happening down there don't get me wrong but there is a lot of time, money & effort to go before we see the day of an R in Healesville! I have been caught before getting ahead of myself like this but on the same note good luck to the YVTR.

Kind Regards, Rodney.

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