YVR - Yarra Valley Railway

 
  T356 Chief Train Controller

Location: KILSYTH, VICTORIA
Ultimately though - if Yarra Valley get running to Lilydale, if the line is J/K/D3 and lighter, no big loss.
"ninthnotch"

Your right on a few points in your last few posts there notch, but it's not if, but when. So yes notch your right that it's no big loss for a lighter rail, who needs a heavy mainline loco anyway, YVTR has access to W250, RM22, RM62, J516 and T341 and it's not like Healesville to Lilydale is part of an interstate jet super freight corridor, it's a Tourist Railway.
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  R704 Chief Commissioner

Location: Who cares you ain't gonna visit!

it's not like Healesville to Lilydale is part of an interstate jet super freight corridor

sort of  i have herd that the truckies would love to unload their timber at healesville to be sent to gelong

think of all those semi's coming through the black spur from alexandra and beyond i've been told they do 3 round trips a  day. very tiring.

think of the possibility of running a stable freight service on a regular basis making a little extra cash to spend on things like per way maintainance and the j ect..

sure we would need to have a loading system in the goods loading road  but thats what it is for..

but if i recall healesville had a timber siding ruining over to where the playground is
  RM62 Deputy Commissioner

Yes it did, back in the 40's

Heres a diagram:

http://www.victorianrailways.net/signaling/completedia/healvdia.jpg
  perks Chief Train Controller

Location: Sunny Vic
It didnt last long, 1945 diagrams dont have it. Most traffic ran out of the goods road
  RM62 Deputy Commissioner

Now I could be wrong about this, but a very large bushfire in the area in the mid 1930's, wiped out most of the trees desired for logging, as well as a small wooden-railed bush tramway used to ferry logs from surrounding sites to the rail head.

This is why logs ceased to be a major commodity on the Healesville line. By the time the industry had re-established itself it was on a far smaller scale and road transport was seen as a better mode of transportation for their product
  perks Chief Train Controller

Location: Sunny Vic
In the very early 1900's, the catchments for Maroonda Dam went in, which removed 90% of the available logging area. The rest of the available area was logged at a smaller scale. 1920's saw the yard expanded for the construction of the Maroonda dam, with 4 road down end establish (not too different to the current 4 road)  

The 1939 bushfires (which heavily damaged the line at the yarra glen end, resulting in some concrete bridges) meant that all available timber needed to be removed before it rotted while still standing, which is i belive a crazy thing related to the mountain ash in the area. Healesville and Warburton lines both went nuts as the cutters removed as much timber as possible. It was from this time that the statement of "more timber was handled by Yarra Junction Railway Station that any other station in the world except Seattle in the US" was made, and for years, every yard on both lines was stacked 12 feet high with sawn timber ready for shipment, but this was all finished by the mid 1940's, with the war over, demand dropped, and the remaining timber was hard to reach and of poor quality.

With the end of this big rush, came the end of rail hauled timber in the region. Poweltown tramway on the warby line was removed, the smaller timber tramways began to close (Healesville had two in 1945, Yarra Glen one, all gone by 1955). Timber was still milled in the area (there was a sawmill in the main street of Healesville until the mid 1990's, and theres still a few in the surrounding hills) but most moved by road transport.  

The big downshift in operations became clearly evident in the 1960s, with major yard rationalization, both double slips removed, 2 and 3 road up end removed (2 totaly removed and 3 left a small head shunt that stopped at the engine shed for fueling the railmotors from the tank there), engine shed itself removed and consolidated to only one track on shed pits, over head timber crane removed, stock sidings removed and the shift to railmotor service.
  John of Melbourne The Ghost of George Stephenson

Location: Melbourne suburbs
One only has to look a the problems VGR had to operate into Castlemane when contending with the former FA now PN! It could only be worse for dealing with Connex & a whole heap more trains operating more regularly compared to a line that currently has services suspended on it!
"dalts 1985"

I wonder if it would be worse?  Sure, the platforms are in almost-constant use, but there are gaps of 16 and 20 minutes between sparks, and this is enough time to get a YVTR train in and out again, probably even including a runaround.

The YVTR crews would probably need mainline accreditation, given that they will be operating on tracks used by Connex, but it's not actually the same situation as Castlemaine, where they were operating on the main line outside station limits and under their own control (Lilydale would be under the control of the Connex signalman).

Alternatively, an extra platform near the goods shed as suggested would allow the operation to be kept separate, and despite a comment to the contrary, should not prevent there also being a through route for trains from Melbourne to Healesville.

A third option may be to put a short extension to the island platform, enough to bring a railcar into, but which would allow passengers to change trains simply by walking further along the platform.  This would make for some interesting safeworking rules, but why not have a "tourist railway signal" at the up end of this platform (I'll call 2 North) that keeps the tourist railway operation separate to the spark operation, although with some sort of allowance (if required) to still use the track beyond 2 North for overnight spark stabling.
  W250 Train Controller

Location: Horsham, VIC.


A third option may be to put a short extension to the island platform, enough to bring a railcar into, but which would allow passengers to change trains simply by walking further along the platform.
"John of Melbourne"


Not a bad idea   SmileWinkSmileWinkSmileWink

Hang on YVTR has to get to Yarra Glen first and theres those Tressel Bridges to fix yet between Yarra Glen and Lilydale as well, speaking of bridges Watts river bridge springs to mind or is it just putting the cart before the horse? hmm i wounder!!!  WinkWinkWink

As John of Melbourne has said in his post below myn

Mark Parker
YVTR Member
  John of Melbourne The Ghost of George Stephenson

Location: Melbourne suburbs
A third option may be to put a short extension to the island platform, enough to bring a railcar into, but which would allow passengers to change trains simply by walking further along the platform.
"John of Melbourne"

Not a bad idea   SmileWinkSmileWinkSmileWink

Hang on YVTR has to get to Yarra Glen first and theres those Tressel Bridges to fix yet between Yarra Glen and Lilydale as well, speaking of bridges Watts river bridge springs to mind or is it just putting the cart before the horse? hmm i wounder!!!  WinkWinkWink

Mark Parker
YVTR Member
"W250"

Did I mention that I copyrighted the idea?  Wink

And they are trestle bridges, by the way.
  RM22 Train Controller

Asoboy,

The YVTR has never run mainline trips. The special trains you mentioned in the 80's were conducted by the Healesville Railway Co-Op. Yes it was un-economical, thus the HRC no longer exists.

RM22
  W250 Train Controller

Location: Horsham, VIC.

And they are trestle bridges, by the way.
"John of Melbourne"


Ah yes they are Exclamation  thanks John  EmbarassedWink

Mark Parker
YVTR Member
  RM22 Train Controller

Hey Mark, you need to update your photo of W250, looking a bit better than that now.

RM22
  W250 Train Controller

Location: Horsham, VIC.
RM22 thank you very much for my new Avatar of the restored W250 Sitting beside the carrage shed at Healesville Very HappyWink

Gratefully
Mark Parker
YVTR Member
  Railfan9949 Chief Commissioner

Location: Somewhere between Gembrook to Healesville to Seymour to Maldon
Mark, just out of curiosity.. where did you find that avatar.. to be exact where did you find that fine shot of W250
  W250 Train Controller

Location: Horsham, VIC.
Mark, just out of curiosity.. where did you find that avatar.. to be exact where did you find that fine shot of W250
"Railfan9949"


RM22 just emailed it to me to use as my Avatar as it was an updated photo of the restored W250 compared to my old Avatar which was pree restoration.


Sincerly
Mark Parker
YVTR Member
  RM22 Train Controller

Yes its your pic Ivan, hope you don't mind. If you do mind you can beat me up at the railway.

RM22
  W250 Train Controller

Location: Horsham, VIC.
Yes its your pic Ivan, hope you don't mind. If you do mind you can beat me up at the railway.

RM22
"RM22"


Thanks for that RM22

Railfan9949 if you do or don't want me to use what turned out to be your photo as my Avatar please let me know either way.

Sincerly
Mark Parker
YVTR Member
  Railfan9949 Chief Commissioner

Location: Somewhere between Gembrook to Healesville to Seymour to Maldon
Me refusing publication of my work of art.. now that's unheard of!

Seriously I don't mind, I just wanted to know where you got it from that's all, more like a "stocktaking" seeing where all my pictures are hosted on this web..

RM22.. I refused to beat you as you've got such an important job or role which couldn't be replaced, I'll just have to punish you to some "track packing" duties or shares in one of your toys *coughBclasscough* Rolling Eyes

Now.. let’s get back on topic aye..
  W250 Train Controller

Location: Horsham, VIC.
Me refusing publication of my work of art.. now that's unheard of!

Seriously I don't mind, I just wanted to know where you got it from that's all, more like a "stocktaking" seeing where all my pictures are hosted on this web..

Now.. let’s get back on topic aye..
"Railfan9949"


Thank you very much Railfan9949 and yes i agree lets get back on topic  SmileWink

Sincerly
Mark Parker
YVTR Member
  RM22 Train Controller

Do you see the ugly photo that was being used! We had to improve on that.

Speaking of improvements, I helped unload a truck load of bridge timbers last night onto the flat wagons. So let the brigde repairs commence! Does not look like the end of the line after all.

RM22
  T356 Chief Train Controller

Location: KILSYTH, VICTORIA
Speaking of improvements, I helped unload a truck load of bridge timbers last night onto the flat wagons. So let the brigde repairs commence! Does not look like the end of the line after all.

RM22
"RM22"


And what a nice job you did last night RM22, stacked neatly in 2 QN wagons (still coded VHNA at the moment, but we will fix that soon). Saw them when I called in this morning on my way home from work. Now all we need is a couple of people like superman to lift those little logs and place them in some dirt big holes.
Let the fun begin.
  RM22 Train Controller

We have a superman, his name is Campbell. Rumor has he has done some caber tossing and will shift these babies with a similiar technique.

RM22
  T356 Chief Train Controller

Location: KILSYTH, VICTORIA
But we need a few more like Campbell, one is never enough for this sort of work. I'll be there on Thursday night to find out what's going on and when we start.
And if Campbell has done some tossing, I don't want to know about it.
  Railfan9949 Chief Commissioner

Location: Somewhere between Gembrook to Healesville to Seymour to Maldon
The recent arrived bridge timbers and crossheads on the "QN" wagons which since has been covered by a tarp to keep them dry will be moved from the "goods road" to the compound tomorrow with the help of the Healesville Yard Pillot Loco W250..

Along with some other general shunting tasks like moving the GYs out of the compound and back on to 2 road plus possible other tasks which are prompted to the Leading Shunter of the day, on the day..

So heads up gunzels, plenty of train movements around Healesville Yard tomorrow... for those heading to the area or feel like a little scenic drive through the Yarra Valley and surrounding area (via a gunzel detour)

Although I won't be there, I just thought it might be a good idea that I let all gunzels know first hand some news hot out of the press, seeing not too long ago some users has complain the vibe of the organisation operates within a need to know basis and the rest are left in the dark which clearly it's not...

Anyway as for the actual date of the bridge restoration projects starts.. well I personally don't know, I'm sure if someone does know it will be promptly posted up here.. so those people out there who are interested (even future memebers.. or you can bring money on the day and speed up the process) can change plans and come on down and lend a hand if they so desire on such a unique project which obviously doesn't happened everyday.. (plus let's not forget walking away with the fact you can say/boast.. "I help build that bridge)
  Ballast_Plough Chief Commissioner

Location: Lilydale, Vic
I wonder if it would be worse?  Sure, the platforms are in almost-constant use, but there are gaps of 16 and 20 minutes between sparks, and this is enough time to get a YVTR train in and out again, probably even including a runaround.

A third option may be to put a short extension to the island platform, enough to bring a railcar into, but which would allow passengers to change trains simply by walking further along the platform.  This would make for some interesting safeworking rules, but why not have a "tourist railway signal" at the up end of this platform (I'll call 2 North) that keeps the tourist railway operation separate to the spark operation, although with some sort of allowance (if required) to still use the track beyond 2 North for overnight spark stabling.
"John of Melbourne"


There is no gap on a weekend though. 1 spark arrives in 1 platform and another (already there ) departs from the other platform 3 mins later. This then repeats 20 min later etc.

Extending the platform may also be a problem as both platform roads extend virtually straight into the locked compound. Near the goods shed is the best option I think...

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