YVR - Yarra Valley Railway

 
  perks Chief Train Controller

Location: Sunny Vic
The recent arrived bridge timbers and crossheads on the "QN" wagons
"Railfan9949"


That just stopped you finding out about the bridges from me

they say VHNA.
Underneath the paint saying VHNA they say VHNA.

They on the books as VHNA

That is all.

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  T356 Chief Train Controller

Location: KILSYTH, VICTORIA
The recent arrived bridge timbers and crossheads on the "QN" wagons
"Railfan9949"


That just stopped you finding out about the bridges from me

they say VHNA.
Underneath the paint saying VHNA they say VHNA.

They on the books as VHNA

That is all.
"perks"


But perks, you called it a QN on Thursday night and I have witnesses.
  perks Chief Train Controller

Location: Sunny Vic
Could have sworn i called it "those F****NG QN's" but mabey that was just my recolections.
Very Happy
  Railfan9949 Chief Commissioner

Location: Somewhere between Gembrook to Healesville to Seymour to Maldon
Alright, alright.. you can have it your way... for now!

But seriously why would you still need to call it by it's four letter prefix, seeing there isn't any Standard "narrow" gauge line nor rollingstock for miles.. no where near the branchline in other words!!

I mean what's the odds of a Yarra Glen signalman mistaken the "Spirit of Healesville" with the Up "Overland" train

I guess for now you can have your beloved four letter prefix.. be warned the tables will soon turn as soon as “bible” or “little red book” gets changed.. so the correct coding which matches the railway’s era of significant is used!
  T356 Chief Train Controller

Location: KILSYTH, VICTORIA
Could have sworn i called it "those F****NG QN's" but mabey that was just my recolections.
Very Happy
"perks"

A QN is a QN, however you describe it.
  Supt. of Printing Deputy Commissioner

Location: Gembrook Line
.. so the correct coding which matches the railway’s era of significant is used!
"Railfan9949"


What is YVTR's Era of Significance?
  Riccardo Minister for Railways

Location: Gone. Don't bother PMing here.
I should hope it is ca. 1977 - judging by the presence of the T, W, the Walker and the condition of the track Wink
  ninthnotch Dr Beeching

Location: Not here. Try another castle.
.. so the correct coding which matches the railway’s era of significant is used!
"Railfan9949"


What is YVTR's Era of Significance?
"Supt. of Printing"
1830's.

By the way, welcome back, Riccardo.
  perks Chief Train Controller

Location: Sunny Vic
1960's is the theory. Means we get the best of all the rolling stock. Steam, Diesels, Railmotors (Derm and walker). But till stuff gets outshoped, its holding its old lettering, hence the in joke bout VHNA/QN wagons. Not a big issue, only the VHNA's and the ZLP's will cause that kind of drama. Oh, and the MT that was an AW.
  John of Melbourne The Ghost of George Stephenson

Location: Melbourne suburbs
I wonder if it would be worse?  Sure, the platforms are in almost-constant use, but there are gaps of 16 and 20 minutes between sparks, and this is enough time to get a YVTR train in and out again, probably even including a runaround.

A third option may be to put a short extension to the island platform, enough to bring a railcar into, but which would allow passengers to change trains simply by walking further along the platform.  This would make for some interesting safeworking rules, but why not have a "tourist railway signal" at the up end of this platform (I'll call 2 North) that keeps the tourist railway operation separate to the spark operation, although with some sort of allowance (if required) to still use the track beyond 2 North for overnight spark stabling.
"John of Melbourne"

There is no gap on a weekend though. 1 spark arrives in 1 platform and another (already there ) departs from the other platform 3 mins later. This then repeats 20 min later etc.
"Ballast_Plough"
Yes, but on a given platform, there is a 16-minute gap while the train is in the other platform.

Extending the platform may also be a problem as both platform roads extend virtually straight into the locked compound.
"Ballast_Plough"
Sure, the fencing would have to be altered, but I still think that it would be an option worth investigating.
  T356 Chief Train Controller

Location: KILSYTH, VICTORIA
I wonder if it would be worse?  Sure, the platforms are in almost-constant use, but there are gaps of 16 and 20 minutes between sparks, and this is enough time to get a YVTR train in and out again, probably even including a runaround.

A third option may be to put a short extension to the island platform, enough to bring a railcar into, but which would allow passengers to change trains simply by walking further along the platform.  This would make for some interesting safeworking rules, but why not have a "tourist railway signal" at the up end of this platform (I'll call 2 North) that keeps the tourist railway operation separate to the spark operation, although with some sort of allowance (if required) to still use the track beyond 2 North for overnight spark stabling.
"John of Melbourne"

There is no gap on a weekend though. 1 spark arrives in 1 platform and another (already there ) departs from the other platform 3 mins later. This then repeats 20 min later etc.
"Ballast_Plough"
Yes, but on a given platform, there is a 16-minute gap while the train is in the other platform.

Extending the platform may also be a problem as both platform roads extend virtually straight into the locked compound.
"Ballast_Plough"
Sure, the fencing would have to be altered, but I still think that it would be an option worth investigating.
"John of Melbourne"


Guys,
Your debating something that is happening in 2007, when in reality the problem wont be of any concern until about 2010? A lot of things will happen between now and then and most of it will be between Healesville and Yarra Glen.
Can anyone answer a question for me regarding my original post, if the 39 mile post (although it's a few metres short) signifies the end of the line, where is the other end of it? Baulk to baulk, not taking into account a few bits of rail missing here and there, or gates across the line.
  John of Melbourne The Ghost of George Stephenson

Location: Melbourne suburbs
Can anyone answer a question for me regarding my original post, if the 39 mile post (although it's a few metres short) signifies the end of the line, where is the other end of it? Baulk to baulk, not taking into account a few bits of rail missing here and there, or gates across the line.
"T356"

If you are asking where the zero point is, it is at Flinders Street station, from memory approximately in line with the centre subway/Degraves Street.
  Ballast_Plough Chief Commissioner

Location: Lilydale, Vic
I think he means how far do the rails run from Yarra Glen towards Lilydale?

If so, they seem to be intact to Coldstream at least (minus the odd level crossing). Have never walked from Coldstream towards Lilydale though and there doesn't seem to be much as you look away from Lilydale beside the old Warby line...
  T356 Chief Train Controller

Location: KILSYTH, VICTORIA
Can anyone answer a question for me regarding my original post, if the 39 mile post (although it's a few metres short) signifies the end of the line, where is the other end of it? Baulk to baulk, not taking into account a few bits of rail missing here and there, or gates across the line.
"T356"

If you are asking where the zero point is, it is at Flinders Street station, from memory approximately in line with the centre subway/Degraves Street.
"John of Melbourne"


I think he means how far do the rails run from Yarra Glen towards Lilydale?
"Ballast_Plough"


Flinders Street is the timetabled end of the line but has through tracks, the rail continues on, where do the other end of the rails finish? This may take a bit of thinking outside the square.
  John of Melbourne The Ghost of George Stephenson

Location: Melbourne suburbs
Can anyone answer a question for me regarding my original post, if the 39 mile post (although it's a few metres short) signifies the end of the line, where is the other end of it? Baulk to baulk, not taking into account a few bits of rail missing here and there, or gates across the line.
"T356"

If you are asking where the zero point is, it is at Flinders Street station, from memory approximately in line with the centre subway/Degraves Street.
"John of Melbourne"

I think he means how far do the rails run from Yarra Glen towards Lilydale?
"Ballast_Plough"

Flinders Street is the timetabled end of the line but has through tracks, the rail continues on, where do the other end of the rails finish? This may take a bit of thinking outside the square.
"T356"

Yes, I was wondering if I should answer Ballast_Plough with "Yelta".  Very Happy

(As far as I know, the rails are intact between Lilydale and Yarra Glen.)
  T356 Chief Train Controller

Location: KILSYTH, VICTORIA
Thanks JoM, that's the sort of answer I was looking for, BTW, I was bored on Aus Day when I posted that question and thought how far could you possibly go from Healesville on the BG with a full tank of gas and a half a pack of cigarettes (... sorry, thats a line from The Blues Brothers).
  RM62 Deputy Commissioner

The recent arrived bridge timbers and crossheads on the "QN" wagons
"Railfan9949"


That just stopped you finding out about the bridges from me

they say VHNA.
Underneath the paint saying VHNA they say VHNA.

They on the books as VHNA

That is all.
"perks"


But perks, you called it a QN on Thursday night and I have witnesses.
"T356"



Alright!

Time to put an end to this

At least one is now OFFICIALLY a QN-

QN 100:

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formerly VHNA 100:

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Photo of QN100 taken today, and photo of VHNA100 taken earlier last year

RM62
  perks Chief Train Controller

Location: Sunny Vic
Cosmetic restoration of VHNA 100 started last thursday (24th), mechanicals been going on a while, triple vavle replacement is about all thats left.

The white paint QN was a response to my insistance that its still a VHNA (IT WILL BE A QN, soon as its finished).

The old sides, that had been welded to the deck, have been cut away and a quick rub back was started. Will get into hinges and fittings next thursday.

When that was done there was a small cheer as i cleaned off the 5 inch VHNA lettering from the other end.

Then i had a small cheer as underneath was 7 inch lettering saying VHNA

Hence the storming to the paint cupboard and the white paint can comming out.

I laughted, and got some funny photos that i wont post.
  T356 Chief Train Controller

Location: KILSYTH, VICTORIA
A few of us did some more work on 100QN last night and I can't remember seeing a camera amongst us (poor organization on our behalf).
Perks, if you have photographic proof of the individual who single handedly delivered a heritage gem by transforming an unchacteristic VHNA into a QN, then we want to see it.

Work last night included:- gas axing stanchion stubs out of there well and truly rusted holes, removing hinge pins with part of the door lugs still attached by rust, fitting of a triple valve to the brake system and some basic cleaning up of the frame.

All this was done before pizza, it got dark after that so some of us went to work on RM22 in the workshop. More talk than work, but plans were laid out for the next month or so.

Another good night.
  perks Chief Train Controller

Location: Sunny Vic
i told ya i dont post photos, and my computer just went belly up. May have lost the lot  Sad
  T356 Chief Train Controller

Location: KILSYTH, VICTORIA
As I haven't been able to get onto Railpage for about a week now (work related), I just wanted to update everyone on some progress at the END OF THE LINE FOR YVTR.

Last weekend was the second time my 14yo son (the one pictured on the right of the photo in the first post) turned off his PS2 and computer and went to work with me at Healesville. The weather was inclement in the morning so we went to work in the workshops, the two of us worked on the walker while others worked on replacing the drive train on the "PM". Late morning the weather cleared up so that work could be done outside, with hinge brackets and pins to be cut off QN100. After cutting one bracket and pin with the gas axe, I asked my son if he would like to try cutting a bracket off (under the watchful eye of a qualified tradesman, namely me) to which he said OK in an "If I have to" kind of way. We removed 6 brackets and pins of which my son cut off 4 and earned himself the nickname of "The gas axe kid" . He was a natural with the tool, with the glasses and gloves on. His only complaint was that his windcheater had a couple of more holes in it than when we started.
My son obviously doesn't like trains as much as myself, yet, but the time we spend together once a month at Healesville is great fun and gets him out of the house and gives mum a break (plus the $20 I slip him and the fact that he got to destroy a small part of something pertaining to trains).

Thursday night saw more work done on RM22 with doorways being cleaned, patched and sanded, the second class section roof and walls being sanded, electrical wiring and fittings being assessed and fitting of new cab window surrounds. Many other small jobs in and around the workshop are always happening.

I will continue to try and keep everyone upto date on the END OF THE LINE FOR YVTR from my point of view as I can.
  fcic0rscvgs0 Assistant Commissioner

Location: RMIT University
If the YVTR is gonna run to Lilydale, why can't they run right through to Southern Cross?

It would be quite interesting to hear, "The next train to depart from Platform 13 will be the 1445 Yarra Valley Express, stopping at Camberwell, Ringwood, Lilydale, Coldstream, Yering, Yarra Glen, Tarrawarra and terminating at Healesville."

And other tourist railways should follow suit, like Leongatha and Mornington. Whittlesea should be restored for the same purpose.
  perks Chief Train Controller

Location: Sunny Vic
Its a nice dream, but as has been discussed, there are many many practical problems that would need to be addressed before that could happen.

Off the top of my head.  
Tourist Railway drivers(any safe workers for that matter) with ATR quals are not qualified to operate on the suburban network.  
Unions do not like volunteers. Because they can walk away from their hobby, its hard to threaten them with job loss, etc, so wheres the incentive to follow the rules. (Thats the argument that i have heard, feel free to debate)
The rolling stock is not (and in the long term wont be) accredited for main line running.  
Connex will not release pathways to tourist trips easily. They get fined for breaches of on time running and have you ever known a fan trip to run on time?
There will also be issues with wooden bodies carriages, train radio, refueling and a few others.

None of this is impossible to overcome. But all of it will cost money.  

But again, we can all dream about what could happen. Thats what Railpage is for. My concerns are more physical and current. Planing for the required bridge works that are soon to start, repairing the smegged out big end bearing on the spare 8w Motor in the workshop and finding time to finish the spraying at Yarra Glen before the end of the Spray season, and as soon as thats done, get back into pole preserving bridge piles.
  Ballast_Plough Chief Commissioner

Location: Lilydale, Vic
The closest would be the way Steamranger operated from Adelaide to Victor Harbour. Regular railway crew from Adelaide to Mt Barker where the Steamranger crew take over.
  perks Chief Train Controller

Location: Sunny Vic
I think Mr plow has it.

Its still doesnt clear pathways rules, but those can be managed. (smaller trains or multi loco operation)

There is talk about making all rail qualifications nationaly recongnised (comercial, government and heritage) and by the time that happens, we may be ready to run to lilydale Smile

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