Old railway tunnel under city

 
  85trainfan Train Controller

Location: If only I Knew, that would make 2 of us :)
I got told there is an old railway tunnel under the railway station/parlimant buildings in the city, with and old steam locomotive bricked up inside it.

Is this correct? and when was it built and closed?

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  Alyx Chief Commissioner

Location: Adelaide, Australia
I have heard there is an old tunnel underneath the city and I remember a thread on it once on the older RailSA forums, but I highly doubt there is a  steam locomotive inside.

I will see if I can find the information and post it here.
  Alyx Chief Commissioner

Location: Adelaide, Australia
As promised, would this be of some help?

Does anyone have any pics or info on the tunnel that used to go under King William st?
I know the line, referred to as Exhibition line, which was closed about 1924, used to go past the Torrens Parade Ground, to the original royal show grounds (now part of the Adelaide university), and was used for troop trains and transporting livestock to the show. I've only ever seen a couple of photos, one of the Cadwell-Vale railcar at parade ground in 1913 (Steam Locomotives and Railcars of the South Australian Railways by Fluck, Sampson, Bird) and the other of a livestock train at the showgrounds (on Postcards, on channel 9).
"Bluebird257"


It was forgotten by the authoritys and when they recently redelveloped north tce, one of the workers fell through the ground into it.
"Tom"


I reckon that this tunnel was exposed when the Festival Theatre was being built, in 1973. There was some consideration of upgrading it to a pedestrian underpass. The price was prohibitative...

There is a full write-up of the Jubilee Exhibition Railway in ARHS Bulletin #732, October, 1998.
"Allan"



I have found a little more info on this subject,for anyone else that's interested.
Go to http://www.caveclan.org/adelaide and click on "locations", then click "jubilee".
I am still very interested to learn more if any body hears anything else.
"Bluebird257"


These quotes are posts by members of the old RailSA forums which I dug up espescially for you. Laughing

Hope this is of some help, but if it is a different tunnel, I apologise.
  4BJ Chief Commissioner

Location: Backside trackside at Hawthorn near Mitcham
I think you mean the Exhibition railway, which ran from Adelaide Station to the Exhibition grounds which were located at what is now the north eastern corner of the University of Adelaide.  The railway ran past the back of Parliament and Government Houses and through a tunnel under King William Road.  The tunnel is still there.  I don't know the opening and closing dates, so hopefully, someone else can fill in the blanks.
  4BJ Chief Commissioner

Location: Backside trackside at Hawthorn near Mitcham
Beaten to it.  Bugger.  Bang Head
  85trainfan Train Controller

Location: If only I Knew, that would make 2 of us :)
thank you alyx , there was 2 tunnels under king william st, one for the railway and anther further down towards the torrens near the torrens parade ground. the second one was just under king william st, and was used as pathway between the parade grounds and stables,I had a search around on google, looked at the last pages of the search and found an interseting site,willpost the address when i find it again
  85trainfan Train Controller

Location: If only I Knew, that would make 2 of us :)
http://www.history.sa.gov.au/chu/programs/history_conference/DebMorganPaper.pdf


thats the link i was refering to in the prevouis post
  kipioneer Chief Commissioner

Location: Aberfoyle Park
I was going to post this paper from our records at work but you beat me to it!

Ms Morgan only mentions the one tunnel which had a couple of incarnations, rather than two tunnels.
  redadare Junior Train Controller

Location: Flagstaff Hill
Ms Morgan only mentions the one tunnel which had a couple of incarnations, rather than two tunnels.
"kipioneer"


The link made very interesting reading.
I remember seeing the tunnel entrance when the Festival Centre was being built back in 1973 (I think).

The tunnel was also exposed again in the 80's when the City Council were doing some extensive kerbing repair/restoration outside the Festival Centre. Wished I'd had my camera at the time.
  2001 Moderator The Snow Lord

Location: The road jump at Charlotte Pass. Paxman Valenta on two planks.
Staying with the theme of tunnels, but going off on a slight tangent, there are other reported disused tunnels - not railway tunnels - within the Adelaide CBD.

I'm not fully clued in on the details, but I have a hunch there is one or a few tunnels in the vicinity of the old Treasury Building.
  kipioneer Chief Commissioner

Location: Aberfoyle Park
Staying with the theme of tunnels, but going off on a slight tangent, there are other reported disused tunnels - not railway tunnels - within the Adelaide CBD.

I'm not fully clued in on the details, but I have a hunch there is one or a few tunnels in the vicinity of the old Treasury Building.
"2001"


Did you look at Ms Morgan's paper?  It covers these as well.

They were very useful for getting from one side of the building to the other back in the days when I worked there!
  code red Locomotive Driver

I think! "a" tunnel went from government house to Adelaide Railway Station.  The "upper class" gov. personel did not want to walk with the plebs.
  sas85 Chief Commissioner

Location: V1
with and old steam locomotive bricked up inside it.
"85trainfan"


Yeah just like the one under Mt Islington and the one under Mt Newport in Vic, someone is having you on in that respect train fan.

I would like to know if it is on any recent surveys done on the area that is a disused tunnel in the area, it would be very interesting to see them dig up that area for one reason or another and get a huge surprise, to be honest you would think they would leave some sort of access into the tunnel, it would make a storage space!
  Aaron Minister for Railways

Location: University of Adelaide SA
There are many tunnels under the city of Adelaide, most were not used for anything railway related. Some are still in use (you just do not know it) but most are no longer used and NONE of them, not even the old railway tunnels have locos in them!
  robbie_the_dips Assistant Commissioner

Location: Melbourne
with and old steam locomotive bricked up inside it.
"85trainfan"


Yeah just like the one under Mt Islington and the one under Mt Newport in Vic, someone is having you on in that respect train fan.
"sas85"


the only place i have known that there was a steam loco buried was in gawler. was extracted a number of years ago i believe. it was buried after a flood hit gawler, and was considered too difficult to extract at the time, so it was left there.

someone else may have info about this?? Question
  NolaMcKenzie Junior Train Controller

I think you're getting it mixed up with the planned tunnel as part of MATS in the 60's.

MATS proposed a railway tunnel from Adelaide Station, with a northern portal where what is now the Festival Centre is, then basically running directly under King William St with stations at Rundle St (Mall), Victoria Sq, Halifax St and South Tce.  The southern portal of the tunnel would be in the parklands on what is now the Glenelg Tramline, with the tramline being converted to heavy rail and joining the existing southern lines at Goodwood.
  4BJ Chief Commissioner

Location: Backside trackside at Hawthorn near Mitcham
I think you're getting it mixed up with the planned tunnel as part of MATS in the 60's.

MATS proposed a railway tunnel from Adelaide Station, with a northern portal where what is now the Festival Centre is, then basically running directly under King William St with stations at Rundle St (Mall), Victoria Sq, Halifax St and South Tce.
"NolaMcKenzie"

My understanding is the stations were to be Rundle Street (now Mall), Victoria Square and Gilles Street with the next stop to be at Goodwood.
  2001 Moderator The Snow Lord

Location: The road jump at Charlotte Pass. Paxman Valenta on two planks.

MATS proposed a railway tunnel from Adelaide Station, with a northern portal where what is now the Festival Centre is, then basically running directly under King William St with stations at Rundle St (Mall), Victoria Sq, Halifax St and South Tce.  The southern portal of the tunnel would be in the parklands on what is now the Glenelg Tramline, with the tramline being converted to heavy rail and joining the existing southern lines at Goodwood.
"NolaMcKenzie"


Imagine if this project had have been implemented. A shame really that such a bold idea went to utter waste.
  Pressman Spirit of the Vine

Location: Wherever the Tin Chook or Qantas takes me
I know it was many years ago, but if I remember correctly the proposed underground railway, mentioned in the last three posts, would have used the tram corridor between South Tce and Goodwood ..... this would have meant the removal of the tram!
And wasn't the tram corridor also slated as a freeway corridor?
  NolaMcKenzie Junior Train Controller

I know it was many years ago, but if I remember correctly the proposed underground railway, mentioned in the last three posts, would have used the tram corridor between South Tce and Goodwood ..... this would have meant the removal of the tram!
And wasn't the tram corridor also slated as a freeway corridor?
"Pressman"


You need to remember that MATS was written in the context of SA experiencing ongoing strong population growth, which didn't eventuate, which is why MATS and Monarto were eventually finally ditched.

The tram corridor was never intended as a freeway.  The o-bahn corridor was going to be the northern freeway.  The Salisbury Freeway would have run largely parallel to the GC line between Ovingham and Dry Creek.

The Southern Freeway, which the Southern Expressway forms part of, would have run along the current alignment of James Condon Drive at Mile End and then cut through the burbs to Darlington.  IIRC, it crossed, but did not follow, the tram alignment.
  trainznbuses Train Controller

Location: Seacliff Park, SA
I do happen to have copies of all of the diagrams/plans for the MATS plans.
Was thinking about posting them to the Railpage Gallery.

It's probably about 100 images in A4 size but they do show in great detail where all of the freeways would have gone. They also show diagrams of  the planned underground trainline beneath King William Street linking Adelaide Railway Station with the Belair and Noarlunga lines at Goodwood.

Once gallery is up and going again I'll upload a couple to show y'all.
  2001 Moderator The Snow Lord

Location: The road jump at Charlotte Pass. Paxman Valenta on two planks.
That would be most appreciated, trainznbuses.

I do know that the Barr Smith Library (Adelaide Uni) did have (and I assume still do have) two copies of the MATS plans on their general shelves.

This was where I first became familiar with the MATS plan.  The volume itself is hefty in size, and includes all the diagrams for the proposed city motorways.

In addition, aerial photographs are included with detailed diagrams transposed upon them to give the viewer a better idea of how the entire MATS plan would appear.
  trainznbuses Train Controller

Location: Seacliff Park, SA
Have just managed toupload a few images to the gallery.
Willpost links in the morning.
Nighty Night all.
  trainznbuses Train Controller

Location: Seacliff Park, SA
Hindley Street/Rundle Street Railway Station

[gallery=http://gallery.railpage.com.au/modules.php?set_albumName=album2212&id=Typical_Underground_Station&name=gallery&include=view_photo.php]

An overview of the MATS plan
[gallery=http://gallery.railpage.com.au/modules.php?set_albumName=album2212&id=MATS_Overview&name=gallery&include=view_photo.php]

Track plans from Adelaide Station to Waymouth Street (Note the tunnel entrance located at about where the Festival Centre is now.)
[gallery=http://gallery.railpage.com.au/modules.php?set_albumName=album2212&id=Rail_Station_Waymouth&name=gallery&include=view_photo.php]

From Waymouth Street to the South Parklands (With the southern exit of the tunnel)
[gallery=http://gallery.railpage.com.au/modules.php?set_albumName=album2212&id=Waymouth_Parklands&name=gallery&include=view_photo.php]

The plan then follows the Glenelg tram line through to Wayville.
[gallery=http://gallery.railpage.com.au/modules.php?set_albumName=album2212&id=Parklands_Wayville&name=gallery&include=view_photo.php]

How different would Goodwood have looked if this one had come to fruition!?!?  ShockedVery Happy

[gallery=http://gallery.railpage.com.au/modules.php?set_albumName=album2212&id=Wayville_Goodwood_Flyover&name=gallery&include=view_photo.php]

The line then leaves the tramline and makes its way towards the Noarlunga/Willunga line...
[gallery=http://gallery.railpage.com.au/modules.php?set_albumName=album2212&id=Goodwood_Blackforest&name=gallery&include=view_photo.php]

...And joins up with that line just near Edwardstown Station.
[gallery=http://gallery.railpage.com.au/modules.php?set_albumName=album2212&id=Blackforest_Edwardstown&name=gallery&include=view_photo.php]


I also have all of the schematics for all of the other the other Planned Freeways for the metro area. If anyone would like I can upload them to the site over time. The overview image above shows all of the planned freeways and makes for interesting reading when you see what has ended up in some of these places instead. As an example the Modbury Freeway became the O Bahn and Mcintyre Road.

A favourite picture of mine is this one:
[gallery=http://gallery.railpage.com.au/modules.php?set_albumName=album2223&id=North_Adelaide_Spaghetti&name=gallery&include=view_photo.php]
It shows the coming together of four freeways (Port Road, Noarlunga, Salisbury and the North Adelaide Connector) right over the top of about where Clipsal is located. Would have been quite a sight if you ask me. A real spaghetti intersection. Could you imagine seeing something like this in little old Adelaide? Shocked
  2001 Moderator The Snow Lord

Location: The road jump at Charlotte Pass. Paxman Valenta on two planks.
Bump.

I hope everyone has taken a look at the diagrams posted above by trainznbuses. They are most interesting to study closely.

As previously mentioned, there are copies of the MATS plan available in libraries.

I can personally recommend the effort to find them !

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