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SEMartin
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Posted: Wed Apr 11, 2007 12:26 pm
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| 2001 wrote: | | bingley hall wrote: | | GDRMCo wrote: |
KRviator shouldn't be doubted. |
Errr...excuse me that was my scoop!
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Which means the race to break the news in print will be on ! Do ya reckon you can sabotage the release date of the May edition of RD, so that Catchpoint can get in first with the news ?
Well, Bing ... can you do it ?!? |
I think he's got bigger fish to fry than Catchpoint or RD... Don't you Bing?
"One measure of a civilised and compassionate society is the extent of its provision of public transport. Violence, materialism and the self-centred pursuit of success at any cost are often the hallmarks of a car-dominated society." J. Richards & J. MacKenzie - The Railway Station: A Social History
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bingley hall
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Posted: Wed Apr 11, 2007 1:16 pm
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Right you lot...
It will become patently obvious to anyone who reads the story below and has an IQ greater than their shoe size, that there might be a few too many coincidences between this thread and the following article.
Anyone who might have a problem with this or is tempted to show the World that their IQ is in fact almost double their shoe size is encouraged to PM me before doing anything stupid.
Let it be heard throughout the land that anyone who tries to be a smart*rse will be hunted down by Bing like the dog that they are and will have their eyes plucked out and fingers chopped off so that they can never post on Railpage Australia™ again.
I hope I've made myself clear 
Bing
| Quote: | Lloyd's List Daily Commercial News 11 April 2007
UK rail freight operator eyes Australian market
UK rail freight operator Freightliner has signalled its intention to enter the Australian rail freight market.
The company, which commands approximately 20% of the UK rail freight market with linkages to major container ports such as Felixstowe and Southampton, told Lloyd's List DCN's monthly publication Rail Express that Australia was among overseas opportunities that the company was looking at.
The company has set up a temporary web page – www.freightlineraustralia.com.au – and searches revealed a holding company, registered in New South Wales, Freightliner Australia Pty Ltd.
Two directors of the company were previously linked to the former New South Wales operator, Silverton Rail, while the third is confirmed as owner of the web site address.
Rail Express editor Mark Carter said it was still unclear how Freightliner intended to enter the Australian market.
"It could choose to enter the market as a `greenfield' operator, but this would be likely to have drawn more attention by now," he said.
"Another alternative would be to fast track entry into the market through the purchase of an existing accredited rail operator, but with industry rationalisation of late, there are now limited opportunities for this approach.”
Mr Carter said that while the dynamics of the UK market were quite different to those of the Australian market – shorter trains, shorter hauls and lower tonnages – Australian rail operators would need to take Freightliner's potential entry into the market very seriously, especially given its expansion in the UK and its specialist expertise in intermodal and heavy haul traffic.
Freightliner grew from the 1995 privatisation of the UK rail freight sector when the incumbent management team bought the fledgling intermodal business.
It has expanded rapidly over the past decade and today produces an annual turnover of approximately $600m.
Initially specialising in intermodal traffic, Freightliner has since moved into other areas, including the heavy haul of coal, aggregates and petroleum products.
It has established its first overseas operation, Freightliner Poland, which recently took delivery of the first of seven new 2,250 kW locomotives for use on heavy coal hauls.
Freightliner has not been afraid to invest in the business and over the past eight years has introduced 120 new 2,250 kW locomotives to the UK market, significantly more than any comparable motive power investment by any Australian operator over the same period.
The April edition of Rail Express, to be published on Thursday, April 19, will have more news and analysis of this story. |
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nutbagg
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Posted: Wed Apr 11, 2007 4:15 pm
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Railpage Australia™ shows that occasionally it can come out with credible news and is not just a foamer's website full of dribble!
Mate, if that loco pulls as hard as you do, it'd move anything.
I'd still rather have an ALCo.
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Posted: Wed Apr 11, 2007 4:41 pm
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Bing Well said mate i will watch this with interest mate thanks for putting this info up on here.
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chrisr001
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Posted: Wed Apr 11, 2007 5:41 pm
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after getting the OK from bingley .......
Following on from the above post, there is some more information to this
1) From the other topic (KR) and european locos, I found this
| Siemens AG Locomotive wrote: |
http://www.transportation.siemens.com/ts/en/pub/products/lm/services/platforms/asiarunner.htm
The Asiarunner platform was specially developed for the many special features of the markets in Asia, Africa, South America and Australia.
Powered by a diesel-electric traction system, the locomotive is characterized by its highly flexible concept, which accommodates a large number of structure clearance gauges and the required low axle loads. Its remarkable economic efficiency is achieved by the use of modern diesel engine technology, which provides the same power as conventional engines but consumes less fuel.
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why include the word Australia ??
2) are we allowed to link the sale of SSRS to this theory (in that Coots may have brought SSRS, but Coots will be brought out soon)
and where does CFCLA and IRA fit into this ?
let the thought process (and posting) begin 
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mjja
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Posted: Wed Apr 11, 2007 6:08 pm
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Interesting loco - European styling of course, which will look terrible in Oz, but hey - if it pulls trains we'll have it.
16t axle load probably means not all that much tractive effort though - BDA can you fill in with the technical stuff please?
2000kW = 2700hp, which isn't all that much by Oz main line standards. And a 4000l fuel tank won't cut it. Maybe this is destined to replace the last T, Y, 48, 830 etc locos???
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DQ2004
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Posted: Wed Apr 11, 2007 11:37 pm
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Well it does say 'The lightweight, narrowgauge locomotive'.
Maybe Freightliner is going to buy Tasrail... 
...OK, on a serious note, I'm sure Siemens have a heavyweight version available with a bit more grunt. I think they would have been thinking of Queensland & WA when they mentioned Australia.
Having said all that, I doubt Freightliner would buy Siemens diesels when they use GM class 66's in the UK.
Surely they'd be more likely to go a similar route here?
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KngtRider
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Posted: Thu Apr 12, 2007 1:54 am
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Bing , is there enough 'traffic' to go around ?
With the the number of local operators growing and growing, are these new operators able to develop enough new business ?
There has not been a very significant number of new services created over the recent years, mostly that certain operators have won contracts for existing work and or expansion,
With the fleet SCT is acquiring, a significant number of new locos, it will be interesting to see how things turn out, whether and how they will utilise what slots are avaliable on the transcon
One thing that tends to be overlooked especially when discussing new operators is the total number of SG locos avaliable in the country which these days is not much, obviously you can not haul a train without locos and new loco orders have seen small since the NR class
Existing Operators have to use what exists and New operators will either acquire locos from the pool of existing locos. The total number does not change significantly, but who owns and runs them does
Let us look at what has been built as new over recent years
CFCL: GL, RL, VL, TL
These locos are already allocated to customers and seem to be heavily utliised
SCT: SCT class
Obiously will be utilised in the long term
PN: 92 class, 90 class, new XR/XRB, V
92 class are not official, 90 class have been allocated to the Hunter, the new XRs seem to be utlisied but some in storage
One can even say the additional 90 replace 81 and 82 that have been allocated interstate
QR: 5000, 423 (423 count as new as they are newly introduced locos to the SG system where as the VR fleet appeared when when needed)
All in use , especially around the hunter
Freightlink: in use on dedicated line
MZ class: progressively introduced to service
With massive withdrawls of SG units in the mid 90s and including these recently introduced units would it be fair to say that even now as of 2007 the total number of operable SG capable locomotives is still reduced but the sum total horsepower is increased ?
Practical Options avaliable for new operators are taking locos from the NG systems or adding additional unit orders to locos under construction such as VL, SCT classes or adding to proposed orders such as new QR/PN units
Importing units would not be as straight foward as the above opionions, as recent events have demonstrated
Regarding the Class 66, one must remember they were designed to be suitable for the UK and latter European operations rather than simply another EMD export unit, Quite a few have been sent to mainland Europe for freight service with minor modifications.
While I am familiar with some of the features of the loco I am no expert, I would be very surprised if such locos end up here if they do not have autonomy from their parent just as RailAmerica and G+W do
As bing has pointed,these locos when in singular typically haul short trains, even block trains. It is quite unusual from our POV, to see a coal train with a single loco on the front !
Apparently contemporary locos in the UK cannot multiple with other classes, Eg Class 66 multiple with Class 60 both need to be crewed
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zimsta
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Posted: Mon Oct 22, 2007 5:54 pm
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hey sorry for bringing this old topic up just thought id tell u that i have good info that Freightliner australia tried to grab those new refurbished C Class's that S&S received. soo dont know what they will use now, maybe some of those 66 class from pomy land.
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Posted: Mon Oct 22, 2007 6:10 pm
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Would a Class 66 fit in our loading gauge? The outline would be OK I think but they're longer than most of our locos so they might swing too far out on curves.
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Fireman Dave
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Posted: Mon Oct 22, 2007 6:25 pm
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| mjja wrote: | | Would a Class 66 fit in our loading gauge? The outline would be OK I think but they're longer than most of our locos so they might swing too far out on curves. |
Intermodal run 80' flats. How long is a 66?
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zimsta
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Posted: Mon Oct 22, 2007 6:32 pm
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not too sure, ive got another phone interveiw on thursday, so i might ask after it whats happening down here with the company.
S&S smeg and smeg
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Posted: Mon Oct 22, 2007 6:32 pm
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| mjja wrote: | | Would a Class 66 fit in our loading gauge? The outline would be OK I think but they're longer than most of our locos so they might swing too far out on curves. |
A class 66 is 21.35 metres in length (check your Platform 5 combined stock book  ), which is slightly shorter than a PacNat 82 class. So, there'd be no problems in it fitting our loading gauge.
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Posted: Mon Oct 22, 2007 6:37 pm
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For the lazy ones amongst us.
Freightliner Class 66
Weight....129.6t
Fuel......6,400 ltr's
Brakes...westinghouse PBL
Engine...EMD...12N-710G3B-EC or TC latest types
HP 3,000
Length...20.1m
Source wikipedia
It took like 2 mins to get this info.
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Fireman Dave
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Posted: Mon Oct 22, 2007 6:53 pm
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So only 1' longer than a G class and abit over 3' shorter than an 81, they'll fit easily then.
Dave Malcolm
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