Flexi sighted at Preston Workshops

 
  409 Minister for Railways

Just found this on TDU.


G’day all,

Received a tip off this morning that a Flexity from
Adelaide was being moved around Preston Workshops. I
raced up there to find the tram sitting adjacent to
Oakover Rd in a shed, with only one section visible
from the street. There appears to be no fleet numbers
on the tram.

Has this tram just stopped by Melbourne on route to
Adelaide or is it to be trialled here like C008?

Attached are two photos – sorry about the slant in the
second photo, I was trying my best to block out the
fence wire.

http://tdu.to/Flexity1.jpg

http://tdu.to/Flexity2.jpg

Thanks to AF for the tip off.

Cheers,

John.
"John McCormick, TDU"


Not 100% sure but it looks like being trialled around Melbourne like C008.

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  mjja Sir Nigel Gresley

Location: Mount Waverley, Melbourne
BRING IT ON!
  connexwest Deputy Commissioner

Location: Waiting for the World's Biggest Divvy Van
Hate to promote my self really, but if you search for the thread "what's Melbourne's next tram" I beleive its called, you should see some relevant information that both myself and others have posted.
  national_link Junior Train Controller

Location: At home Asleep by Myself
BRING IT ON!
"mjja"


I have to agree there. would like to see it on 96.

BRING IT ON!!!!!! Twisted Evil
  connexwest Deputy Commissioner

Location: Waiting for the World's Biggest Divvy Van
The Flexity would be perfect to end the griping of the people complaining about a lack of low floor trams on the 75. Perfect length for the new super stops too.
  EvanC Chief Plonker

Location: Bayswater, Victoria
I reckon it seemed pretty likely that Bombardier would consider this when information about the Lisbon tram surfaced. They're in the perfect position to do it, with their own plant right here, and with their client (Adelaide) just one state away.

Now all that's left is for Alstom to come up with something. Assuming that the tram is, in fact, here as a demonstrator, Alstom could be risking being left out of consideration.
  bramt Deputy Commissioner

So is it the yet to be delivered 111 or 112, or is it bits of 103 (with one bit of it already in Adelaide as a spare)?
  connexwest Deputy Commissioner

Location: Waiting for the World's Biggest Divvy Van
EvanC, you are very very close to the truth it aint funny.

Apart from Alstom- would there be any other serious companies out there that are reliable, tram makers?
  Tremere Train Controller


Apart from Alstom- would there be any other serious companies out there that are reliable, tram makers?
"connexwest"


A few cities in Europe have placed orders with Stadler, the firm that got the rights to the Variotram when Bombardier bought ABB, and since released another tram product.

http://www.stadlerrail.com/default.asp?ms=6&h=1&id=85&n=188&s=2
  Jason R Chief Commissioner

Location: Socialist People's Republic of Yarra.
Apart from Alstom- would there be any other serious companies out there that are reliable, tram makers?
"connexwest"

Kinki Sharyo? (pardon the strange sounding name Whip ...)

You're unlikely to have heard of them, but this company has produced or are currently producing trams, err... I mean, "Light Rail Vehicles" for many North American cities, including Boston, Seattle, Dallas, San Jose and Phoenix as well as many different classes of suburban and Shinkansen ('bullet') trains for the local Japanese market.
  Myrtone Chief Commissioner

Location: North Carlton, Melbourne, Victoria
How unfortunate it's not one of those GTNs produced by AEG and later Adtranz, right up until the latter company, which had already bought the former from MAN AG, was itself bought from DaimlerChrylser by Bombardier. Appologies if anyone thinks this is off topic.
  The Met Chief Commissioner

Location: 37.55-S /145.01-E
Ahhhah, i don't know whether to laugh or cry - for reasons i don't know why.

I WOULD like to see it on the 75, or 70 for that matter. They're two of the most important routes, how could you get to vodafone arena or the footy! (OK, sure there are other routes) but Cambo haven't seen anything newer than a Citadis.

Plus it'd be good for footy shuttles.
  Jason R Chief Commissioner

Location: Socialist People's Republic of Yarra.
I WOULD like to see it on the 75, or 70 for that matter.
"The Met"

The Flexity is only 2.4m wide (according to the Bombardier website), significantly narrower than the 2.77m of the B2 class trams that normally operate that route or ~2.65m width of the other Melbourne trams.

There might be OH&S issues associated with a large gap at platform stops on the 75, or other routes with large numbers of platform stops.
  Gwiwer Rt Hon Gentleman and Ghost of Oliver Bulleid

Location: Loitering in darkest Somewhere
There have been rumours of a Adelaide Flexity tram around Melbourne for some time and it's good to finally see some pictures to back those rumours up.

Most of 103 is still at Dandenong as far as I know, apart from one module which has been taken on to Glengowrie.  It is also extensively damaged and this would be clearly visible on those pictures if it were the case ..... unless repairs have been carried out.  But I am advised the two damaged cars are to be written off and sold as salvage possibly to TA.

I suspect the tram at Preston is a brand new one and that it might be an insurance replacement for 103.  At this stage my inside sources have gone to ground (or maybe just gone to lunch) but anything which comes to my attention and which I can post  - having regard to insurance claims being confidential matters - will be added here at a later stage.

I agree that the Adelaide S-class is narrower than standard Melbourne trams but that may not preclude trials over routes where superstops or platforms are not in use, nor demonstration runs without passengers aboard.  YT is known to be investigating options for their next big orders and that an order for 100 trams may be announced this year.
  bramt Deputy Commissioner

Perhaps if YT placed such a large order of Flexitys, it would worthwhile for Bombadier to tool up the Dandenong factory to make them there  Smile Yay for more Aussie built trams Very Happy

Although, wasn't there an issue about the Flexity needing a higher curve radius than most of Melbourne's track? Perhaps we'd need a rather modified version (wider and shorter, to fit within platforms and to go around curves). Prolly a bad idea to get 100 trams that can't get around many curves...
  Nexas The Ghost of George Stephenson

Flexity is likely in my opinion to run on either the 19, 55 or 57, as these routes have no platform stops, but operate in the City, which would provide maximum exposure.

I'd place my bets on the 19, as it is Melbourne's busiest tram route, with a big patronage earner at Melbourne Uni, would be the perfect place to trial the Flexity against the CombinoPlus which also runs to the Uni on route 16.
  409 Minister for Railways

I have found a couple more photos on TDU. Sorry about the image size.





Because of the factory applied road number rather then the TransAdelaide applied one, it looks like being 111.
  The Met Chief Commissioner

Location: 37.55-S /145.01-E


I WOULD like to see it on the 75, or 70 for that matter.  
"The Met"



The Flexity is only 2.4m wide (according to the Bombardier website), significantly narrower than the 2.77m of the B2 class trams that normally operate that route or ~2.65m width of the other Melbourne trams.

There might be OH&S issues associated with a large gap at platform stops on the 75, or other routes with large numbers of platform stops.
"Jason R"


Hmm, i suspected something like that. If it was the case, and the gap between platform/tram is too large. (Similar case to the front doors of Z, and the rebuilt section of Route 70 from the past).

It does look like many M>Routes, have kept a lower profile with superstops, the ones I can only recall at the top of my head are Melbourne Uni, and Flinders Street, a R55 stop under a bridge. - I don't know, but it could always still be associated with the "Z" Class issue. After all, most if not all former M>Routes have the Z Class for everyday service.

The Combino originally started out it's life on the 55. Perhaps the 'zoo' route, for the Flexi's.

Melbourne, not only multicultural (looking at W-11) but multi-tramular. If only we could get something like San Francisco, running several models from around the world - I can only say it's a dream.
  Jason R Chief Commissioner

Location: Socialist People's Republic of Yarra.
Just got an unconfirmed third party report that S 111 is out and about testing in the city in the wee hours of this morning.
  Halo Chief Train Controller

That would be a funky pic, a Flexi loitering around Melbourne streets in Adelaide Metro Livery!!

If any one sees it out in testing, take a pic!!
  Via City Loop Chief Commissioner

Saw it travelling east along Flinders St at the corner of Spencer this morning at about 0130hrs with "Bombardier Test Tram" as the destination. Nearly hit a taxi trying to get another glimpse as I had nfi as to what it was.
  zipitidoodah Chief Commissioner

I saw it by chance at about 12:15 am this morning, heading west along La Trobe St at Swanston St.
  ninthnotch Dr Beeching

Location: Not here. Try another castle.
Let's hope they actually trail it on the St. Kilda Rd routes to see how it handles crowds...
  national_link Junior Train Controller

Location: At home Asleep by Myself
Let's hope they actually trail it on the St. Kilda Rd routes to see how it handles crowds...
"ninthnotch"


C008 has already (and still is) been along St.Kilda. Therefore, S.111 must be trialled SOMEWHERE ELSE OTHER ST.KILDA ROAD.

My Moneys on Route 59.
  ninthnotch Dr Beeching

Location: Not here. Try another castle.
Let's hope they actually trail it on the St. Kilda Rd routes to see how it handles crowds...
"ninthnotch"


C008 has already (and still is) been along St.Kilda. Therefore, S.111 must be trialled SOMEWHERE ELSE OTHER ST.KILDA ROAD.
"national_link"
Crowd-wise: I'd say that they are better off putting any large tram on those routes as a direct comparison.

Bear in mind that any new tram will replace the Z1/2's and some Z3's down that way.

Besides, Route 59 = northern/western suburbs = deadbeats.

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