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redrats
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Posted: Mon May 14, 2007 6:49 pm
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Why has there never been a extension from North Sydney station of Bradfield vision for the Northern beaches railway line since 1920s?
It would of been one of the best ideas and should still happen.
What is stopping it beyond political lack of will and helping the environment?
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hurstville1
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Posted: Mon May 14, 2007 6:55 pm
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Are you talking about the one from Dee Why-Cronulla because it is metioned in the Christie report for the super network for 2050
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blakjak
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Posted: Mon May 14, 2007 7:02 pm
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Funny you ask this, I was reading my Forgotten City Railways book last night & I read up about this (I can scan teh page if you wish).
Bradfield originaly drew up the Warringah Railway at the same time as the City Railways, but before/during construction of the City Railway he revised his plans for a concrete super-highway (road) instead. Most of the reservation has been built on, only way it can be done now is using tunnels.
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hornetfig
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Posted: Mon May 14, 2007 7:06 pm
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| redrats wrote: | | What is stopping it beyond political lack of will and helping the environment? |
Cost. Irrespective of the War, the cost would have likely always prevented its construction.
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drwaddles
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redrats
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Posted: Mon May 14, 2007 7:24 pm
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Last time i looked TRAINS reduced the road and air pollutrion massively.
I work with people who commute from Manly to CBD each day by bus and would prefer a train instead.
Everyone on a train is 1 less car on a road.
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JoeT
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Posted: Mon May 14, 2007 7:28 pm
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You ask "Northern Beaches railway line - why not". There is only one answer - money.
Who would pay for it? No modern government would. A major PPP would be it's only hope.
They can't afford to maintain the network they have already let alone take on such a large construction project.
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drwaddles
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Posted: Mon May 14, 2007 7:38 pm
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| Quote: | Last time i looked TRAINS reduced the road and air pollutrion massively.
I work with people who commute from Manly to CBD each day by bus and would prefer a train instead.
Everyone on a train is 1 less car on a road. |
That's not a good reason to be introducing a rail line. The point of one would be to serve people who currently drive, rather than pinching passengers from other modes.
That is good PT myth - everyone on a train is 1 less car on a road. You don't think at least 1 person on that train would be someone who would have caught the bus service previously?
And I must ask - why not the ferry? it is significantly quicker. Although its frequency is (or at least was when I used to catch it a few years ago) pretty ordinary.
Oh and btw I was up at Avalon for mothers day yesterday - I was very impressed and surprised to see that the L90 was running on a 15min frequency on a Sunday afternoon!! That's almost unheard of in Sydney!
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Syd3642
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Posted: Mon May 14, 2007 7:39 pm
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NO SPACE  Where the heck would you put double tracks 
Tunnels maybe BUT - The Spit  New bridge. (eyesore) local resists.
Tunnel under = Costs to much. Then what Follow the old tram lines. (to steep) We don't need more congestion on the Military Road.
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Posted: Mon May 14, 2007 7:42 pm
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Money, as it would most likely be built completely underground.
According to Christie, the line would become the Central Metro line, stretching from Dee Why to Cronulla via Chatswood, Wynyard, Newtown and Sydenham.
I'd much rather build a North-West rail line going from Rouse Hill to La Perouse via Baulkham Hills, Wynyard, Pitt Street, Central, and UNSW.
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Syd3642
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Posted: Mon May 14, 2007 7:48 pm
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aamslfc: said 'stretching from Dee Why to Cronulla via Chatswood, Wynyard, Newtown and Sydenham'.
From Dee Why
So Mosman and Neutral bay are missed out That's f*ck smeg.
Why Dee Why couldn't they extend to Palm Beach
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Posted: Mon May 14, 2007 7:54 pm
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| Quote: | | Why Dee Why couldn't they extend to Palm Beach |
The 12 people that live at Palm Beach are sure to be outraged!
Seriously though, there becomes a point where a railway line becomes too expensive for the number of people it would serve. There is also the issue of terminating the railway line at a point that allows efficient use of feeder buses. For me, that point is either Dee Why or Mona Vale - however, I can see that going any further than Dee Why would start to make such a proposal less and less economical.
Furthermore, the terrain north of Mona Vale is not very hospitable for railway construction!
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Posted: Mon May 14, 2007 8:27 pm
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Without a good knowledge of the current traffic volumes from the northern beaches area, the idea of integrating a light/heavy rail connection under the harbour from around Manly with connection with the ESR may be completely out of proportion to the costs involved. However, with intensification of population, this may get around the difficulties of finding a suitable route across to Chatswood/St Leonards and further contributing to congestion of the existing North Shore Line.
A rail link starting around Mona Vale and continuing to Manly with bus feeders down this spine may well obviate the need for more expensive and intrusive solutions requiring additional land resumptions and dislocation of the existing amenity along the northern beaches and adjoining suburbs.
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Posted: Mon May 14, 2007 8:36 pm
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I agree on this one as Bondi Junction would become like what Chatswood has become (T Junction). Build the unfinished Eastern Subs line to Port Botany & La Perouse & bridge it /Tunnel across Botany bay but the NIBYS of Kurnell may oppose this as they are not for change. As for the Northern Beaches tunnel from Bondi Junction North via Rose Bay, Vaucluse, Mosman, Spit Bridge, Seaforth/Balgowlah, Fairlight, Queenscliff, Harbord then up to Palm Beach & may be go on further to the Central Coast.
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aamslfc
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it would encourage more people to travel between the Warringah peninsula and other parts of Sydney, thereby making the existing problem worse