QR Trainee Driver positions

 
  Johnmc Moderator

Location: Cloncurry, Queensland
The 10 vacancies specifically for women *are* in Citytrain, I've just checked QR's internal Weekly Notice.

I've been in QR for 19 years, and been a driver for 5.  At one point, my depot (Cloncurry) had 10 women staff, being 6 drivers and 4 Rail Operators (Shunters).  I worked will all of them at one time or another, and I would say that they were an absolute pleasure to work with, and I have no misgivings about women being drivers or shunters in general. (poss, not calling you a liar, I'm not doubting that you've had a different experience.  Just saying how I saw things from my viewpoint.)

And just to add things to the mix, my sister is a qualified auto electrician. Smile, so I have no "Girls can't  drive trains/work with machinery" views.

As for these positions: In all likelihood - trainee driver positions are nearly *always* over-subscribed - there will be more than enough fully competent women who can fill the 10 vacancies.  In that case, no problems.

My ONLY concern would be in the (unlikely, but possible) event that there were NOT enough competent women to fill the vacancies, and that the order comes down from All High to fill the vacancies regardless, so that some boss doesn't get their ar$e kicked.  That would be the only thing I would query in these specific vacancies...

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  gsxxxr_750 Junior Train Controller

I agree with you Johnmc I have worked with female drivers and I have never had a problem with them. They were always happy to do their fair share of the work and not winge about it.

Its the blokes with a bad attitude about them that usually causes all the trouble.

I don't think they will have a problem with a shortage of female applicants I know of a few where I work had their application in the first day it was advertised. Not sure how QUALIFIED they are but they are no dummies and should ok with the exams etc that everyone else has to do........
  Mark_SA Train Controller

Location: Adelaide
Just out of interest, is there many stories of people being offered jobs in QR only to knock it back due to being ask to work in a remote location? At what part of the process do they tell you which depot they have in mind for you?
  Johnmc Moderator

Location: Cloncurry, Queensland
At what part of the process do they tell you which depot they have in mind for you?
"Mark_SA"


As far as I know, you're offered a choice of depots when you are offered a trainee driver position.  (I'll have to ask some of the new guys here what happened to them.)

Cloncurry, Hughenden and Mount Isa are the easiest depots to get into, because of their high turnover (due to remoteness.)

Personally - and I realise this may sound harsh - if you are not prepared to spend at least 3 years in a remote depot, you may wish to reconsider applying for the job.
  Mark_SA Train Controller

Location: Adelaide
At what part of the process do they tell you which depot they have in mind for you?
"Mark_SA"


As far as I know, you're offered a choice of depots when you are offered a trainee driver position.  (I'll have to ask some of the new guys here what happened to them.)

Cloncurry, Hughenden and Mount Isa are the easiest depots to get into, because of their high turnover (due to remoteness.)

Personally - and I realise this may sound harsh - if you are not prepared to spend at least 3 years in a remote depot, you may wish to reconsider applying for the job.
"Johnmc"

Thanks John, Im prepared to go anywhere! Just need a break!
  LadyGuard Chief Commissioner

Location: Redlands
I am big on merit.  If you can do the job right then so be it whether you are male or female.  

One thing I can't stand is when some floozy or an inexperienced person comes along and flirts with the bosses just to get what she wants, when she can't do the job right and the bosses fall for it hook line and sinker.
  Balberra Chief Commissioner

Location: On 6275 at St Lawrence waiting for 6740 to arrive from Kalarka.
What are the medical's like in QR.............has certainly changed over the years.............I remember an article in the courier mail about some Driver's and DA's having defective colour vision...no drama's with that previously because they had perfomed the job for years before that controversy...really opened up a can of worms with legal action etc....just wondering what the standard is these days.............
  inlander Train Controller

Location: Brisbane
The medical is now national standard safety critical level 1. Be prepared for:

Blood test- cholesteral, glucose, triclyserides etc.
Urine anlaysis
color blindness test- 12 numbers.
ECG- they wire you up and get a reading.
Vision test- wall chart at a distance and read a passgage close up.
Weight.
hearing test.
The nurse takes most of the above, then the doctor takes over.
He then:
-scores you on the ECG, Cholosterol glucose test , blood pressure etc- you need to get under 15 points(They take your age weight into consideration as well.
Tests all your limb , back fuinctions and balance.
-Tests for Hernias.
-Inspects for lumps etc that shouldnt be there.
-Reflex test
-Goes over your family history and asks you to complete a questionnaire on your social life- drinking etc.
- Make you do 5 sit ups on the bed.
-Takes blood pressure.
Checks down your throat.
-Looks in your ears.
-Performs an optical exam- i.e. lokks into and around your eyes and checks your eye movements- side to side etc.
-Makes you stand with your eyels closed and heals together for at least 30 seconds.

After all that he will give you a decision. I dont think i left anything out.
It is very comprehensive and will take about 1.5 hours.
  beastjim Chief Commissioner

Location: Sitting next to colinw, waiting for a train to Greenbank.
Sounds about as comprehensive as the top medical licence examination for CASA, pretty full on. However how consistent are the check ups? CASA for that level requires it every year.
  inlander Train Controller

Location: Brisbane
depnds on your individual circumstances and age, but the base one is every three years.
  poss Locomotive Fireman

The 10 vacancies specifically for women *are* in Citytrain, I've just checked QR's internal Weekly Notice.

I've been in QR for 19 years, and been a driver for 5.  At one point, my depot (Cloncurry) had 10 women staff, being 6 drivers and 4 Rail Operators (Shunters).  I worked will all of them at one time or another, and I would say that they were an absolute pleasure to work with, and I have no misgivings about women being drivers or shunters in general. (poss, not calling you a liar, I'm not doubting that you've had a different experience.  Just saying how I saw things from my viewpoint.)
[color=red]JOHNMC.
Dont get me wrong if they can do the job i have no problem, but have seen some guys really get into trouble because of a females word, this also is everywhere but on a loco only two of them i would be carefull if their was any issues.only driving for 5 yrs well you might have missed some dramas in the curry when certain women became drivers, all have moved on to different depots now but one caused the same dramas in city train when i was there and was just playing the system, the thing is Q.R. have different standards for women than men have seen first hand that men having problems are told to live with it and women are given help from all areas a bit one sided.as long all is equal thats fine by me.
[/color]And just to add things to the mix, my sister is a qualified auto electrician. Smile, so I have no "Girls can't  drive trains/work with machinery" views.

As for these positions: In all likelihood - trainee driver positions are nearly *always* over-subscribed - there will be more than enough fully competent women who can fill the 10 vacancies.  In that case, no problems.

My ONLY concern would be in the (unlikely, but possible) event that there were NOT enough competent women to fill the vacancies, and that the order comes down from All High to fill the vacancies regardless, so that some boss doesn't get their ar$e kicked.  That would be the only thing I would query in these specific vacancies...
"Johnmc"
"poss"


been lowered for guard drivers in city train because of quotas required from guards to drivers was a union R.B.T.U. pushed issue.  
  poss Locomotive Fireman

I agree with you Johnmc I have worked with female drivers and I have never had a problem with them. They were always happy to do their fair share of the work and not winge about it.

Its the blokes with a bad attitude about them that usually causes all the trouble.

I don't think they will have a problem with a shortage of female applicants I know of a few where I work had their application in the first day it was advertised. Not sure how QUALIFIED they are but they are no dummies and should ok with the exams etc that everyone else has to do........
"gsxxxr_750"


I agree some blokes just will not accept females in that role i'm not one of them,but have a women say you put the hard word on her in the loco and you would see things different.
  Johnmc Moderator

Location: Cloncurry, Queensland
only driving for 5 yrs well you might have missed some dramas in the curry when certain women became drivers, all have moved on to different depots now but one caused the same dramas in city train when i was there and was just playing the system
"poss"


Actually, i've been in the 'curry since i've started in QR, so I know exactly who you're talking about. Wink   And I'll leave it at that....
  LadyGuard Chief Commissioner

Location: Redlands
And that makes it harder for the rest of us.
  Heavy Hauler Chief Train Controller

only driving for 5 yrs well you might have missed some dramas in the curry when certain women became drivers, all have moved on to different depots now but one caused the same dramas in city train when i was there and was just playing the system
"poss"


Actually, i've been in the 'curry since i've started in QR, so I know exactly who you're talking about. Wink   And I'll leave it at that....
"Johnmc"


Well I was out there with Johnmc in the era where near 10% of the curry were female drivers and there was no more dramas as per the usual despite the female attendance.

I always enjoyed working with the girls because you were bound to get a much broader topic of conversation than working with the majority of blokes. Once you've talked football, fishing and the bitching about hours the conversations with blokes went downhill from there...........
  Jettilt Junior Train Controller

Get used to the fact that QR is a changing work environment. The influx of women into all areas of QR employment should only be seen as a positive. Who would have thought  that 20-30 years ago you would have thought of males being nurses and yet look at the situation now. The same goes for females in QR as Drivers or whatever. Get used to it or live with the shame that you have been branded as being the male chauvenist pigs that you are. If you don't like the concept of having to work with females then either dont join QR or leave QR because having females in the workforce is the way of the future. I have personally encouraged one female in my section to apply because I believe she can do it.
  bluebird252 Assistant Commissioner

i recently just got offer a job as a trainee up in redbank, Im leaving from South Australia and starting on the 7th of august cant wait, I thought I wouldnt pass the medical but it looks like I did. It was   a long medical but it was well worth it
  Mark_SA Train Controller

Location: Adelaide
i recently just got offer a job as a trainee up in redbank, Im leaving from South Australia and starting on the 7th of august cant wait, I thought I wouldnt pass the medical but it looks like I did. It was   a long medical but it was well worth it
"bluebird252"


Well done BB! Was that for the jobs just advertised? If so, that was bloody quick!
  bulldozed Deputy Commissioner

i recently just got offer a job as a trainee up in redbank, Im leaving from South Australia and starting on the 7th of august cant wait, I thought I wouldnt pass the medical but it looks like I did. It was a long medical but it was well worth it
"bluebird252"


The question's been asked, but what is the base wage for a trainee driver?
  EMBaldwin Chief Commissioner

Location: Amongst the Cane Fields

The question's been asked, but what is the base wage for a trainee driver?
"bulldozed"

First answer is not enough Smile

From Stage 1 of training, your looking at around $52,000/year.. increases from Stage 2 when depot aggregate is incorporated.
  Johnmc Moderator

Location: Cloncurry, Queensland

The question's been asked, but what is the base wage for a trainee driver?
"bulldozed"

First answer is not enough Smile

From Stage 1 of training, your looking at around $52,000/year.. increases from Stage 2 when depot aggregate is incorporated.
"EMBaldwin"


And the answer after that is "Still not enough". Razz
  EMBaldwin Chief Commissioner

Location: Amongst the Cane Fields
And the answer after that is "Still not enough". Razz
"Johnmc"

You said it brother!
  bulldozed Deputy Commissioner

My bad, I thought I'd read the thread pretty carefully  Embarassed

man. that's better money than I'm getting doing professional drafting work... although I wouldn't be able to sit on the internet all day  Razz
  Heavy Hauler Chief Train Controller



man. that's better money than I'm getting doing professional drafting work...
"bulldozed"


Yeah but your not out of bed nearly every night, working away from your family for 30+hrs, living in a remote community 100's of kms away from conveniences, only know what you'll be doing 2 days in advance, missing out on those special moments in life.....other than that it's great.

But beware!
  3foot6 Minister for Railways

Location: Unknown
I do not believe that one can put a monetary value on missing out on the special moments in life.  Others may disagree ...

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